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1. LapDigest News for Issue No. 157 - Thurs 7/16/98
2. NEW: Want Some Gaspeite
3. RE: How Much Dust Does Lapidary Equipment Make?
4. RE: How Much Dust Does Lapidary Equipment Make?
5. RE: How Much Dust Does Lapidary Equipment Make?
6. RE: How Much Dust Does Lapidary Equipment Make?
7. RE: How Much Dust Does Lapidary Equipment Make?
8. RE: How Much Dust Does Lapidary Equipment Make?
9. RE: Supplying Coolant to Lapidary Grinding Wheels
10. RE: Supplying Coolant to Lapidary Grinding Wheels
11. RE: Wanted: A Good Rock Identification Book
12. Re: Need Advice on Selecting a Tumbler
13. RE: Is It Legal to Sell Dino Bone or Fossil Cabs?
14. RE: Is It Legal to Sell Dino Bone or Fossil Cabs?
15. BIO: F. Oya Borahan, G.G.
16. SHOW: Franklin. NC
17. Subject Unknown


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Subject: LapDigest News for Issue No. 157 - Thurs 7/16/98


Thanks for using the "noncommercial republish permission
granted" at the end of submissions; everyone: please remember
to add this to all your submissions.

Katherine Bucedi wrote, saying that she had spoken "with Larry
Lee from Lee Lapidaries, Inc. this morning. He has not been
available for some time as he is recuperating from a serious
injury, and production stopped during that time. Larry has
asked understanding from those who have been trying to reach
him, and he can occasionally be reached in his office now; I
reached him at 9:00 am PST, that is a good time. Also, his
address in one of the last Journals was listed incorrectly,
so here it is:

Lee Lapidaries, Inc.
3425 West 117th Street
Cleveland, Ohio 44111"

She continues: "His phone number is (216) 941-7458. If you
are an acquaintance of his, I urge you to contact him and lend
your support. He is going to try to get on-line in the next
few weeks also - I'll keep you informed."

Mark Liccini wrote to say that he was to be an exhibitor in
Franklin, NC on July 22-25, in the tent #1, booth #103. I am
going and I look forward to seeing and meeting him there.
Anyone else going?

My daughter and grandchildren (ages 1 and 3) came yesterday -
the house is full of their yells and cries and playing sounds.
Sandy will stay with Anne while I go to Franklin next week...
oh, lots on the list don't know about my wife's condition. She
has Alzheimer's and requires 24 hour care; this is why the
Digest is late sometimes or why I don't reply to questions as
fast as I would like. But we are doing OK!

I know there is something else I meant to mention today - but
is is completely gone from my memory ... so

stay safe, cut rocks and have fun!!

hale
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Subject: NEW: Want Some Gaspeite


I am look for a green stone called gaspeite.

j budnik
<wisoh@e-mail.msn.com>
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(Note: I, too, am looking for gaspeite! The stuff I have
seen has a beautiful lime green color! Just today, I found an
ad in Lapidary Journal, July 1998, page 166, which stated that
MONARCH had some - they said "We dig it!" They are in Aurora,
CO at 303-617-7589. If you - or anyone - gets info from them
about this material, please pass it along to the LapDigest. I
think many people would be interested. hale)
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Subject: RE: How Much Dust Does Lapidary Equipment Make?


E.T. {Mickey} Broadway Jr. wrote:

<<(snip) it has been suggested that I set the Genie, a 5"
water cooled trim saw, an 8" flat lap, and a faceting machine
in my wife's sewing room...(will it make a mess?)>>

Well, all of my equipment was banished to the basement long
ago. Seems like I'm naturally sloppy, and can create a mess
out of anything. A hint of the disaster that can befall you
just might be the plastic apron worn by most cutters while
sawing or using the various cabbing units.

The faceting doesn't produce nearly as much mess, but there is
still the possibility. Now, I'm not saying that it isn't
possible to be very neat and still cut rocks, just that I
can't do it. My $0.02 worth is to move the hobby to a
different room with no carpet / wallpaper / drapes & etc.

Earl
ewenglish@blueridge.net
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Subject: RE: How Much Dust Does Lapidary Equipment Make?

Dusty room? Not to worry. You're either going to be using
water or oil (when you get a slab saw), and all your waste is
left in the genie tray or the containment reservoir. If you
never do anything dry (and you'd better not; it's an
excellent way to be replacing expensive equipment in a hurry),
you'll never make any dust. Never let your tray dry out, and
for water coolants, when they get too dirty, take them outside
and pour them on the ground. (For most things, on the lawn,
unless it's toxic) NEVER down the drain unless you're a
plumber who likes to change traps. The Genie is astoundingly
good about retaining the fine particles. My wife has been
using hers in her room for a year, with no problems. Hook
up, and have fun!

Ted Robles
erobles24@hotmail.com
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Subject: RE: How Much Dust Does Lapidary Equipment Make?

I think the problem you will have with your machines will not
be *dust*, but *water*. All the machines you described are
water lubricated, and they will not generate any airborne dust.
However, even with the built in water pan on the bottom of
your Genie machine, you will still have some water spray that
will extend outside machine and onto the floor a little. And
the water lubricated trim saw will definitely create a mist
and a little spray that will be a problem. You will find that
using these machines in a room with a sewing machine is not a
good idea. They are ideally used where a little water will
not matter, like a garage, shed or covered patio.

Another thing you will quickly discover is that you will be
accumulating a lot of rock, slabs, preforms or whatever all
around your working area, as well as a myriad of lapidary
accessories that are most convenient to have near your
cutting and polishing equipment. Lapidary shops have a way
of growing beyond their initial boundaries, and quickly. You
will probably find out that trying to share the room with
another activity like sewing, will not work out too well.

Vance McCollum
Earth Relics Company
erelics@awod.com
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Subject: RE: How Much Dust Does Lapidary Equipment Make?

Mickey-

Water droplets may be a bigger hazard to the room than dust
is. Some stones at one time in History were used for dyes or
paint pigments.

Craig Nielson
cnielson@webtv.net
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Subject: RE: How Much Dust Does Lapidary Equipment Make?

Lapidary equipment should not be used in a finished room
unless you don't mind a mess. Water does get on the floor.
Dust from grinders does accumulate over time. The real bad
guys in your set up are the trim saw and flat lap. The saw
throws rock particles and water (why are you using water?).
Most saws have the particles go into the pan or at the
person sawing. Still a lot of this stuff goes to the sides.
This is the stuff that most people don't plan for or think
about. The flat lap can cause major dust if it is silicon
carbide. When grits are put onto a semidry lap a lot of
dust comes right off.

I don't think that lapidary has to put into the dungeon, or
outside. But you may want to think twice before having it in
the same area with a clean activity like sewing. You will
also want to make sure that no matter where you put your
equipment, you have good ventilation and water if needed.

Steve Ramsdell
<sramsdel@prairienet.org>
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Subject: RE: How Much Dust Does Lapidary Equipment Make?


The answer is none and a lot. Let me explain. The cutting of
rocks generates "spray". This is simply the water flying
around while you create beautiful works of stone. In that
spray are some of the fine grindings from your work. No dust
there, right? Well ... When the water dries from where ever
it has landed, it leaves a film of rock fines behind which is
essentially dust. It can become airborne and travel. In my
work room, the spray and resulting dust tend to get onto
everything!, even though I try to be clean about it. Rooster
tails from my trim saw have been known to splatter my
children as they watch from the door.

Regarding the sewing machine; my ex used to have to have hers
cleaned and adjusted every so often. She was told by the
service technician that dust raises hell on the internal
workings of sewing machines. Rock dust is very abrasive.

In short, it might be a good idea to separate the two.

I hope this helps.

Paul, Boulder, CO
bonip@stripe.Colorado.edu

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Subject: RE: Supplying Coolant to Lapidary Grinding Wheels


I use a simple drip feed to my cutters and grinders. A large
plastic water bottle (1 gallon / 5L) 2 metres of small bore
plastic tube and a simple clamp (two pieces of aluminium with
nuts and bolts to sandwich the tube) to squash the tube to
control the drip rate. Drill a hole in the top of the bottle
and set up a syphon to strt the flow. Put the bottle on a
shelf above the tool in question and away you go... A piece of
stiff wire fixed to the machine and wrapped round the tube
lets you control where it lands.

Hope this helps.

Geoff Hockley
gHglass
e-mail geoff@gchg.demon.co.uk

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Subject: RE: Supplying Coolant to Lapidary Grinding Wheels

John Heinz:

It sounds like you have a pretty good set up for your grinding
wheels. You may run into one complication over time. It
sounds like you are sending your waste water down the floor
drain without removing the sediment from it. You need to
settle it out in a container of some sort and then send the
water off the top down the drain. Otherwise, one of these
days you are going to have a rock hard solid plug of sediment
in the floor drain pipes.

Rose McArthur
<obmcarthur@clearwater.net>
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Subject: RE: Wanted: A Good Rock Identification Book

<<Are there any books written with color photographs that
would show finished cabs, or slabs, to help aid identify
Lapidary materials? It would be nice to have an extensive
book showing color pictures of cabochons of, for example,
Biggs Picture Jasper from Oregon, or Crazy Lace Agate from
Mexico.>>

Howdy Kelly,

You might enjoy this link for over 200 agate images; select
'agate page': <http://csd.unl.edu/csd.html>

A Lucky Texan
<alckytxn@flash.net>
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(Note: That website is at the Univ. Nebraska at Lincoln - I
suspect Roger Pabian had quite a bit to do with those images
and thus you can believe that they truly represent the
varieties they purport to - he really knows his agates!!hale)
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Subject: Re: Need Advice on Selecting a Tumbler


Welcome Tammy

First of all don't worry about 'discussion depth level' most
of us probably started out with a tumbler and I know I still
run mine almost constantly. We share a love of rocks and
that's all you need - but be warned, it is unlikely to stop
at a tumbler.

As to choice of tumbler I would definitely recommend the
vibratory type as being quicker, cleaner, far more versatile
and possibly even quieter ? They are more expensive than a
small one or two barrel rotary but will be far more useful in
the long run. (This is definitely a case of me not practising
what I preach because I don't own a vibratory but have built
my own rotary.

I suspect that spare barrels (buckets for a rotary) will be
useful - they are virtually essential for a rotary but others
can probably advise better.

Andy Parker
<andyp@netcomuk.co.uk>
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Subject: RE: Is It Legal to Sell Dino Bone or Fossil Cabs?


It is perfectly legal to sell dino bone cabs and jewelry, as
long as the bone was not collected on federal land. And I
agree with you that dino bone makes great jewelry. I have been
using it for years, and I never get tired of the various
colors and interesting patterns where the marrow has
silicified.

Vance McCollum
Earth Relics Company
erelics@awod.com

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Subject: RE: Is It Legal to Sell Dino Bone or Fossil Cabs?


This can be a sticky issue. The basics are that it is
illegal to collect or possess vertebrate fossils from public
lands. The key words here are "public and vertebrate". As I
understand the situation, material collected before the law
was enacted is "grandfathered" and exempt. So how do you
cover yourself and somehow know if the bone you are cutting
or considering purchasing was collected before this law or is
from public land? Hard to say. But I always ask when
purchasing bone myself. Of course the dealer isn't going to
admit to anything illegal, but I can honestly say I tried to
do the right thing.

Selling the finished product is a similar situation.
Technically you could be busted if it was determined that
you were selling bone, illegally collected from public land.
Although I don't know how a prosecutor could prove a case
against you with only a cab to go on. Thankfully we are
innocent until proven guilty in this country, he! To cover
yourself, I suggest that you keep detailed records of where
you buy your rough and deal with reputable dealers. There are
enough dealers in dino bone around. Perhaps you should ask
them how they keep their dealings legal.

Hope this helps.


Paul
Boulder, CO
<bonip@stripe.Colorado.EDU>

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Subject: BIO: F. Oya Borahan, G.G.


I am 59 years old grandmother. I am a silk painter. I wanted
to make scarf clips to my silk scarves that is how my interest
in jewelry making started. I graduated in gemology from GIA.
I also have taken design in GIA. I am an amateur faceter and
jeweler. I am very very impressed with Mr. Steve Walter's
(and some other's also) carved designs. I have always dreamed
of designing gems for my jewelry as he does.

I am leaving for Idar-0berstein in two days to take another
course in Gemology but my hope is to find somebody to help me
learn carving gemstones for my jewelry.

Thank you very much for adding me to your list. I will be
happy to answer any questions if anybody is interested in
stones in Turkey. I'll be in Idar-Oberstein until the
beginning of December.

Kind regards to all gem lovers.

F. Oya Borahan, G.G.
<borahan@superonline.com>
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Subject: SHOW: Franklin. NC

The Gem and Mineral Society of Franklin, NC, Inc. and the
Franklin Area Chamber of Commerce will sponsor the 33rd Annual
GEMBOREE July 22 - 26 at the Macon County Community Building,
US 441 South. Hours: Wednesday through Saturday - 10:00 A.M.
to 6:00 P.M., Sunday - 12:00 P.M. to 5:00 P.M. Admission:
Adults - $2.00, Under 12 - Free.

Rough and Cut Gems, Minerals, Fine Jewelry, Equipment,
Supplies and Books. Dealers, Door Prizes, Demonstrations
and Exhibits. Y'all come!

Information: 1(800)336-7829

Ted Robles
erobles24@hotmail.com
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:43:06 -0400
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