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LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST
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Issue No. 303 - Friday, October 1, 2004
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Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
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Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
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Hi everyone,

Here is this week's issue. Enjoy and have
a great weekend. 

Thurmond
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Index to Today's Digest

01  RE: THE FACETERS MUSEUM AND HALL OF FAME
02  NEW: DataVue - Making Progress, but still problems
03  RE: 0ld Gem Maker
04  RE: THE FACETERS MUSEUM AND HALL OF FAME
05  RE: THE FACETERS MUSEUM AND HALL OF FAME
06  RE: THE FACETERS MUSEUM AND HALL OF FAME
07  NEW: Recharging bonded laps ?

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Message:01

Subject: faceting hall of fame
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:56:06 -0600
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Steve and Nancy Attaway <attaway@highfiber.com>

Dear Thurmond and Faceters,

  Regarding the Faceters Hall of Fame, you might consider Al Tlush of
Belen, New Mexico, who is credited with designing and manufacturing the
American Facetor faceting machine. Al, who is a trained classical
violinist and who was a prisoner of war during WWII, still facets the
occasional gemstone. He has faceted many fluorites from New Mexico, and
some of these are on display at the mineral museum in Socorro, New
Mexico. This museum houses many fine minerals from New Mexico and from
other locales, and it also contains a special display for faceted gems
of New Mexico origin. The museum is located on the campus of the New
Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology.

  Nancy Attaway

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Message:02

Subject: DataVue - Making Progress, but still problems
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:47:22 -0400
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "All That Glitters" <atggems@netzero.net>

Hi Thurmond -

I have made progress loading DataVue but still have some problems.  I have
used the sites you mentioned in this digest previously, searching for
Datavu(e) but did not find much and found limited info.

To summarize - I have three problems:
1.)  I cannot obtain the ASCII Files for any diagrams that I pull up withing
DataVue.
2.)  The Shell to GemCad indicated that GemCad Path is not found (this could
be more of an issue with config or system files where it is not searching in
the right area, as I cannot seem to find anywhere withing DataVue where the
path can be defined)
3.)  I can pull up designs within GemCad via Searching the DataVue DB but
msgs display indicating problems and no index/angles, etc. are displayed.

Below is more info.  If anyone has a clue, let me know.  I think that
DataVue could be of interest and help, if I could get it working.

Thanks,

Allen



Installed DataVue2  and apparently the upgrade was successful as I see 3000+
files available and Simple Pinwheel is available - both checks to insure
that the upgrade was successful.

I searched my Windows Files for SHARE.EXE /L:500 which was supposed to have
been present or inserted into the autoexec.bat file in order for a
successful install, but the install seems to have worked and SHARE.EXE
/L:500 is not to be found in any file in Windows.

DataVue2 can pull up diagrams by doing a query, BUT, when one tries to get
the ASCII files for the design/diagram, I get the following errors:
GAUPDATE.STO is corrupt or missing
GASC0208.STO is corrupt or missing
PC0100W.ASC is corrupt or missing
These files do exist and they have a decent length, so they are not 0 or
1kb.

If one tries to use the Shell to GemCad, a msg indicates that GemCad is Not
on Path.
How does one add the path to GemCad within DataVue2??

Also, these same files seem to have a problem when one uses GEMCAD - again,
one can pull up the designs by Searching the DataVue DB but once the designs
are pulled up, errors pertaining to the above files are displayed here too.
Note that one of the ReadMe files indicates - "GEMLIB.EXE provides a link
between the *ASC.STO files and GEMCAD".  This file does not exist in either
the DataVue2 Dir or the GemCad Dir.

To get to this point, I unpacked the following files:  dvue2prg, 99data and
99update

Anyone know how to correct these problems??  I have searched around the web
and a few sites, but didn't find any info, except that one person seemed to
have a problem of unpacking the files mentioned above as there length was
only 1kb - mine are much larger and seem to have unpacked fine.

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Hi Allen,

Let me think on  your problem a while and see if I can figure any thing else out.
Anyone else??

Thurmond

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Message:03

Subject: Re: Issue No. 302 - Friday, September 24, 2004
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:02:12 -0700
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: Don Rogers <Don@Campbell-gemstones.com>

Hanya, How about posting a photo or two of it.   Is it a faceting machine?

Don

At 04:34 PM 9/24/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>I recently bought a machine at an estate sale that Raytaech says they
>haven't made in 20 years. It is called the Ray-Tilt Gem Maker. it is in
>really good condition. The model number is RT-1. I would like to have the
>specs or a manual on this machine. I wonder if anyone has one and can share
>the manual or any information about the machine I would appreciate it.
>Thanks, Hanya Kandlis

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Message:04

Subject: Re: Issue No. 302 - Friday, September 24, 2004
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:57:25 EDT
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Clabe@aol.com

In a message dated 9/24/2004 5:35:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
lapidary@caprock-spur.com writes:

So, I  would be interested to have this Faceters Museum and Hall of Fame
thread  discussed  by you other faceters.  Comment now, and in the future   months about it. 
Where could a Faceters Museum be located, how can  we be sure that these old relics are not
lost or destroyed?  



Already a Hall of Fame museum located in South Dakota, I ran into it on a 
trip to Montana digging for sapphire couple yearts ago Don't remember the town 
but it is a very interesting place lot of faceting people invovled with  it.   
       Bill

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Message:05

Subject: Re: Issue No. 302 - Friday, September 24, 2004
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:39:18 -0400
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Kreigh Tomaszewski <Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net>
Cc: Glenn Klein <glennklein@yahoo.com>

Glenn,

I applaud your efforts to capture, consolidate, and preserve the
knowledge and history of faceting.

Setting up a physical museum requires a revenue stream to keep the doors
open, lights on, and the staff paid. Not everything can be on display at
once, so some storage and prep space must also be paid for. Since we are
talking about faceting and gemstones, there is some value in the
probable exhibits and security will need to be provided.

A few ideas to pay the overhead include...

* Charging admission.

* Starting small, with a traveling exhibit other museums would rent so
they could display it for a few months at their facility. This could
build the startup hoard of cash needed to open the doors of a dedicated
facility.

* Corporate sponsors and an endowment fund. Memberships and donations.

* A coffee table book with lots of pretty pictures of cut gems telling
the story that you can sell.

* regular live demonstrations -- come see a stone get cut! buy the stone.

* buy the instructional DVD

Now if you are charging admission you need a draw beyond the basic
equipment. Yes, the history is important, and I think you should show
how faceting developed out of the other lapidary arts. But a big
collection of cut stones, and the rough they come from, is probably
necessary.

You are going to need a place to store 'stuff' while you work towards
being able to open the doors. You are going to have to generate interest
in the public at large to get them to want to come.

May I suggest a virtual museum as a halfway point? Start collecting
stuff and history, and begin by displaying it online. It will help you
organize if you think of links between pages as physical travel thru a
real museum, with each webpage being an exhibit, and limited options of
where to go next. It will start to generate general interest. It will
help you decide if there is enough general interest to support a real
museum.

I agree that having the physical equipment, along with descriptions of
use, would be of immense value in retaining knowledge. But a virtual
museum, or even a book, might be just as effective, if not more, in
retaining and passing on the knowledge and lore of faceting, if it were
detailed enough while being well presented.

I wish you all the luck of the world in your endeavor and hope my
thoughts are of use in reaching your goal. But frankly, I think your
goal should be a comprehensive book instead of a museum because it would
be much more attainable, and would last longer.

Kreigh

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Message:06

Subject: Re: Faceters Hall of Fame
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:49:26 -0400
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: DaveWoolley@webtv.net (Dave Woolley)

Glenn,

At the very least, if we can not get our act together, I suggest we
contact the Smithsonian Museum in DC. I feel certain that they would
spare a display case or two, although it might taker a long time for
them to make a change in their current display. I believe they would act
as curator of materials until such a display could be added to honor our
past.

I know that much work was done by many individuals on the west coast,
but the Faceters Hall of Fame should also strive to get maximum exposure
to the public.

Dave Woolley

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Message:07

Subject: Recharging laps
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:26:17 -0500
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Wayne S. Barnett" <wayneb@ev1.net>

At the recent show held by the Houston Gem and Mineral Society I was
demonstrating facet cutting.  The club laps that were being used were not
very sharp.  I took one of them, a 1200 grit, and applied a bit of bort and
rolled it in.  The result was that the lap cut much better.  This was a lap
that was a brass core with the sinered metal.  It was noted by one of my
fellow members that the diamond may not stick because because harder,
probably nickle, surface.  That did not appear to be the case.  What does
this mean for many of us who have older laps that may be getting dull?  We
can rejuvinate some of our laps by using a bit of bort and a roller.  Bort
costs a very small fraction of a new lap and can be applied perhaps several
times before the lap becomes completely unusable.  This may mean that we
will need to purchase fewer laps so those dollars may be spent on additional
rough or other goodies for our hobby.  Because of the ability to recharge
them I have begun to change out my sinered laps for copper ones.  It is a
bit more bother to have to have the bort available and to make sure that the
laps are properly charged or recharged, but to me the better results are
really worth the effort.


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