Issue No. 311 - Monday, November 22, 2004
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
Hi everyone,

There were over 10 post when I checked today.
Enjoy the list.

Index to Today's Digest

01  RE: Peridot
02  RE: sunstone rough
03  RE: sunstone rough
04  RE: Peridot
05  NEW: Trying to locate GRIEGER'S, Inc.
06  NEW: Slab saw vise and lubrication
07  RE: sunstone rough
08  RE: Peridot
09  NEW: Removal of Sawing Lubricant from slabs
10  NEW: Faceting competition
11  RE: Saw Lube


Subject: RE: Peridot
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:39:59 -0600
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "James Carpenter" <jamesc@unconventionallapidarist.com>

Try contacting Charles Vargas at


Their website is http://www.apachegems.com

James Carpenter
Unconventional Lapidarist


Subject: Re: Issue No. 310 - Friday, November 19, 2004
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:52:05 -0800
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: noel <noel@roughtocut.com>

Hi Barbara & List,

> A friend of mine who has been out of faceting for a while wants to get back
> into it in a big way with sunstone.  He's asked me to locate a source for
> top sunstone (non-shiller, red) rough and wants to buy kilo amounts.  Any
> suggestions?


Try the Dust Devil Mine. Good folks with quality material.
Their email address is ddmc@dustdevilmining.com
Web site is http://www.dustdevilmining.com

I have no affiliation with the mine. Just know they are honest folks
with a good reputation 7 some of Oregon's finest sunstone.



Subject: Re: Issue No. 310 - Friday, November 19, 2004
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:00:41 -0800 (PST)
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Phil\(NM\)" <goldpnr@yahoo.com>

> From: Barbara Smigel <bsmigel@cox.net>
> A friend of mine who has been out of faceting for a
> while wants to get back
> into it in a big way with sunstone.  He's asked me
> to locate a source for
> top sunstone (non-shiller, red) rough and wants to
> buy kilo amounts.  Any
> suggestions?



Subject: Re: San Carlos Peridot
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:24:50 -0200
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Robert <robertplowejr@uol.com.br>

20 November 2004

>San Carlos material.. but the contact was Charles Vargas of 
>Apache Gems.

Charles is devoting most of his time to Native American
Silver and Gold Jewelry using American Stones
(Stones cut from rough mined in the Americas).

When I went to the reservation, several years ago, his mine
was deactivated. There are several others still mining Peridot
on the reservation but the rhythm is much slower.

Charles can probably put you into touch with some of the
others wanting to sell some Peridot Rough.

Here's the website:
there is a button on the site for you to send an e-mail.

Good luck, be patient, as sometimes Charles is off promoting
the products or getting stones cut in Bangkok etc.

Best regards,
Robert Lowe
Lowe Associates - Brasil
Gemstones, Rough, Specimens
Tucson - February 2 - 7, 2005 - GJX # 205
e-fax: 1-240-757-6022
e-mail: USA    < robertplowejr@juno.com >
e-mail: Brasil < robertplowejr@uol.com.br >


Subject: Trying to locate GRIEGER'S, Inc.
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:27:54 -0700
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Bob Harper <bobharper@onewest.net>

Dear Sir:
Would you happen to know if ,  GRIEGER'S (Jewelry, Gems, Lapidary
Supplies) of  900 South Arroyo Pkwy, Pasadena, California 91109,   is
still in business?
I have their catalog dated, 1986-87 and at one time, I ordered from them.
If Griegers is still in business, could you forward their NEW address to me?
Currently, in my retirement, I am trying to teach myself  "Wire
Wrapping"  with Silver and Gold.
I am also a Placer Miner.
Somewhere over the years, I read an article about "making your own
silver and gold wire"; it was some sort of an extraction method using
molten metal.
I am interested in acquiring information about the process.
There is a Foundry some thirty miles west of my location and I am sure
they can build me one providing the cost is not prohibitive.

I am a member of the "Butte Mineral & Gem Club," Tim Hoff is the
President, and as such we are associated with the NorthWest Mineral and
Gem Association (can't find the monthly bulletin, but I think that is
the name.)

Respectfully submitted, I am,
Robert J. (Bob) Harper,
68 Missoula Avenue
Butte, Montana 59701
aka: bobharper@onewest.net


Subject: Slab saw vise
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:51:07 -0500
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: "David Timpany" <timpany@earthlink.net>

Perhaps I'm too new to lapidary work, but after three years I ran
across an aide to using the vise in my 10" slab saw.  I had so much
aggrivation in getting odd pieces to hold in the vise.  Finally I stopped
on the roadside and picked up a chunk of blown out truck tire.  Cut it
down to my clamp size and started inserting one or two pieces between
the rock and wood clamps.  (depending upon stone shape)  Make sure
it is tightened down very tight to prevent shifting.  Havn't had a mishap
as yet.  Sure cuts down on the disappointments I was having. 
Concerning slab saw lubes.  After really paying my dues on jambing the
blade. (prior to truck tire)  I decided my old blade was worth testing prior
to a new one.  Tired of oil mist, even after oil additives to reduce misting,
I put in the RV antifreeze.  I'm still going strong without looking for a new
blade.  Sure, I get rust, but unless I'm not cutting for an extended period
it doesn't seem to bother.  Spraying with WD40 seems to help when down
for a while.  Also use white silicone spray on the clamp drive.
dave t.

David Timpany


Subject: Barbara Sunstone Rough
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:29:35 -0600
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Paul Newman" <Vet.Surgeon@verizon.net>
Cc: "'John Bailey'" <director@vindico.com>

Barbara, John Bailey at  <http://www.gemstoneartist.com>
www.gemstoneartist.com is a great source for Oregon sunstone rough. He has
in depth knowledge of the material and how best to cut it. I would also
refer you to the site  <http://www.dustdevilmining.com>
www.dustdevilmining.com for additional information on sunstone. I have
purchased rough from John and found him to be honest and reliable. This
material cuts wonderful stones but orientation is important. Good luck.
Paul Newman, D.V.M.
Franklin, TN


Subject: Asian Peridot
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:42:45 +0000
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: lake989@att.net

Someone was asking about 1/2 and kilo quantities of Peridot. I know
someone getting ready to import a couple kilos of fine grade Peridot
from Asia. He sent me a few emails while negotiating with several
different people who had access to quantities. I was told the Asian
market is being controlled after a flood of material a couple years ago
reduced the prices. I assume that is correct as we don't see large
quantities of it. Anyway, the material is glassy and 5 to 6 carats. It is
select material, meaning it has been graded and little, if any, fish tank
gravel. He inspected the material and met several new suppliers and
will personally pick the material and bring it back himself. He assured
me it did not have black spots and Lilly Pads. Basically what I have
paid $2.50 to $3 carat for individual select pieces.

If the member is interested in Peridot from Asia, I can get you in touch
with my friend. He is only looking to sell parcels, not select stones. I
think it will come in before Christmas.

Contact me off list for his contact info.

Everett McIntosh


Subject: Removal of Sawing Lubricant
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:03:37 -0500
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "ray lahti" <lahtirl@msn.com>

I have a trim saw, 10 inch and 18 inch saws that all cut really well
using that stinky cutting oil that is so hard to clean up.  I would like
suggestions on how to get that stuff out of cracks and crannies when I
have finished cutting.  Thanks

Ray Lahti


Subject: Faceting competition
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:50:50 -0600
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Wayne S. Barnett" <wayneb@ev1.net>

I have some questions about competing in faceting competition.  What are the
best patterns to cut for competition?  In the AFMS rules it states that
there must be a certain number of a given shape and size but it is not
designated as to what cuts those stones should have.  I am guessing that
there are some faceting judges out there that could give me and others some
guides as to the best types of cuts that are used in competitive cases.

In addition if natural stones are used if, for example, quartz crystal
growth patterns are visiable on the otherwise polished facet face, is that
grounds for deductions.  If rutilated material is used are deductions made
if the rutile crystal breaks the surface?  What other hints can be given on
other aspects of material or style of cutting that it would make it easier
to be able to present a case of competitive stones?

Thanks for your sharing your knowledge.



Subject: Saw lubricant
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:40:36 -0500
To: "Lapidary Arts- lapidary" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Rock Peddler" <rockpeddler@comcast.net>

We recommend using either Roc-Oil or Kool Kut (same thing) both of which are
mineral oil based and non-toxic, biodegradable, have little or no odor,
non-irritating for most people's skin.

Jeanne Ridolfi - Rock Peddler
www.bestrough.com - See our new LOW prices for synthetics
800-416-4348; M-F, 10:30am - 4:30pm, eastern time

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