Issue No. 273 - Friday, March 05, 2004
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
http://www.gemcutters.org or
Hi all,

Good list today. Keep those post coming in.


Index to Today's Digest

01  RE: 2004 Tucson Reviews/Cloud Dome/eBay & misc ramblings
02  NEW: Looking for a lapidary
03  RE: Waterglass sources
04  RE: Waterglass sources
05  NEW: Sterling Necklace source wanted
06  RE: Waterglass sources
07  NEW: nambulite
08  RE: diagrams for Highland Park 18" saw
09  RE: Waterglass sources
10  NEW: Seeking UK cutter
11  RE: Tucson 2004
12  NEW: Polishing Neon Apatite
13  NEW: lost address book
14  NEW: Product Announcement (Faceting Machine)


Subject: 2004 Tucson Reviews/Cloud Dome/eBay & misc ramblings
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 14:27:31 -0700
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Todd" <td_gunz@yahoo.com>

Hi all,

I haven't written much as I've been dealing with some incredibly
high pain levels as the storms make their way thru Denver.

I did read a couple write-ups about the 2004 Tucson Gem Show
though.  One is on Jeff Graham's site; "faceters dot com";

The other write up I read was in an email update I received
being on John Bailey's mailing list.  Here's the link to it;


Both write ups basically say that overall the rough was more
expensive, of lesser quality, and quantity than the previous year.

I did have a question to the group.  Has anyone gone on any of
the "Gemstone Vacations" to South America?  I think there are several
available thru different groups.  Any info would be appreciated.

I'm actually thinking of "retiring" to Teofilo Otoni in Minas
Gerais Brazil once my W/Comp case is finished.  I thought a good way to get
an idea of what it's like down there would be one of the vacations offered
to the area.

That was an interesting post about an inexpensive "Cloud Dome".
The original dome is such a great asset in taking pics of rough and cut
gemstones, but has such a high price point.  I hope to be able to afford one
here some day.

I've got way more rough than I could ever cut this lifetime. and
would like to see if I could get off of it on eBay.  It's good, not great
material and is a mix of synthetic and natural rough.  I think I've got over
a kilo of Garnet, and close to that in Amethyst and Citrine.  If I had that
Cloud Dome I could really get some nice pictures of the pieces, and maybe
list some of it on eBay.

I know eBay has a bad name in most faceting circles and the
quality often times leaves much to be desired.  I've watched a friend start
selling facet rough on eBay and slowly grow his business to several hundred
listings from just a handful a year ago.  I also know if you are selective
with what you buy, don't expect to get something for nothing, and really
devote some time to browsing the rough listed you can get some nice material
at fair prices.

I've developed several good facet rough contacts after meeting
them first on eBay. I guess it's like my Great Grandfather used to say. He
founded a Sheet Metal Business in northern Ohio and on the back of his
business card it said "Good work is not cheap.  Cheap work is not good". I
think substituting the word "rough" for "work" gives a fair rule of thumb
about facet rough;

"Good rough is not cheap.

Cheap rough is not good".

Take care all.
todd of "Todz Rox"


Subject: Looking for a lapidary
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:30:43 -0500
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "dlevin" <stoneage@vermontel.net>

Does anyone know a guy named Leon M. Agee? He is reputedly from Deer
Park Washington. I understand he may be a man in his 70s.



Subject: Re: Water Glass Issue No. 272 - Wednesday, March 03, 2004
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 18:10:30 -0500
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Earl English" <earlrock@earthlink.net>

Best lapidary use for waterglass is to hold thin sections ( 1/2" to 3",
12mm - 76mm thickness) of slabbed rocks so they may be sawn again. Trick is
to use waterglass and a piece of wood (2x4 works fine). Apply to the
cleaned, slabbed surface to fully cover, place on the wood block apply a
weight if desired, allow to cure at least 12 hours. Saw oils will not
penetrate it. When you want to remove the last slice from the wood just
place in a bucket of water. Overnight usually finds the slab seperated.

regards to the list,



Subject: Waterglass thanks!
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 16:01:50 -0800 (PST)
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: "Phil\(NM\)" <goldpnr@yahoo.com>

Thanks to everyone who responded to my questions on
Waterglass! I found some at a pharmacy ($18/qt) and in
playing around, figured out how to use it for dopping
up. Simply use a rubber band and once dried, coat with
cheap nail polish. Really binds those cabs to the
stick! No more wax release problems!

Thanks again!



Subject: Re: Issue No. 272 - Wednesday, March 03, 2004
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:15:46 -0700
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "George Mather" <concordml@msn.com>

Help! I'm trying to locate wholesale dealers who carry sterling wire
necklaces. Come on, I know you know someone. Thanks.
Pastor Mather


Subject: Doping with Waterglass
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 17:14:45 -0800
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Webb Long <webblong@mindspring.com>

Hi,  I have used this method for many years an d have never had one come off
the dop.  Take a good scrap 2X4 and cut as 2'X 2' X3to3 1/2"  long. The 2 x
2 should be the end cut. Just sstand these up on wax paper apply a liberal
amount of waterglass to the end, put on  your stone, cen tering it as best
as you can . Make sure that the part that is  going to be on the bottom has
enough clearance to clear the saw table.   Put in the vice and slice off as
thick or as thin  as you please . I keep those little butt cuts that are
real nice and use them right down to the last 1/4".  Let them set overnight
and saw away. I use a 3# coffee can with hot water to soak them off, just
leave them in until they come loose. let the block dry and use again  and
again.    Have fun!      Webb Long


Subject: nambulite
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 19:42:26 -0700
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "charles a. jillson" <jillsomay@frontier.net>

I ran into a material the other day and would like to find rough
material.Nambulite,it is a red material and takes a great polish.thank
you.chuck jillson


Subject: RE: diagrams for Highland Park 18" saw
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 19:54:39 -0900
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Raymond Marcil <marcilr@rockhounding.net>
Cc: crissmorgan@bellsouth.net

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the kudos on the vi-bro-lap manual. I would appreciate a copy
of part lists and diagrams for the Highland Park 18SSP 18" saw. My own
HP saws include a 6" F1, 18" J3, and 24" U.  They are fantastic. I
haven't seen any manuals for the HP combination grinding units. This is
something I've been keeping my eyes open for.

Thanks! Ray


Subject: RE: Waterglass sources
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 20:30:03 -0900
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Raymond Marcil <marcilr@rockhounding.net>

This is off-topic but I just can't help myself....the story begins when
I started to think about how to move really heavy rocks (250+ lbs) out
of extremely rough terrain here in Alaska, i.e. places where there is no
landing strip and too steep for four wheelers (small helis $500+ per
hour, large helis $2000+ per hour!). One of my friends suggusted using
balloons to lift the rocks out. At first I thought this was crazy and
then I started researching it...For example, four 12-foot round balloons
will lift something like 200lbs, perhaps not so crazy. The first problem
is that helium is prohibitively expensive in large quantities. It
occurred to me that hydrogen is dirt cheap and abundent (being the most
common element in the universe no less)and a major constituant of water
(H2O). Again, I was thwarted because I discovered that cracking water is
expensive, and time consuming (something like 2 days per 250lbs lift
assuming 100% conversion efficiency and house current!). Also, I'd need
to transport something like 20-30 welding size cylinders of hydrogen in
order to lift any decent sized rock. I considered mounting a large
compressor tank, say 300 gallons, on a trailing, and filling it with low
pressure hydrogen (say 10 PSI). However, transporting this much hydrogen
in a tank, behind my truck, seemed, well, insane.

Enter Waterglass...Waterglass can be made by reacting ferrosilicon and
with caustic soda (sodium hydroxide or NaOH) to produce sodium silicate,
known as water glass, and pure hydrogen. The reaction is exothermic,
100-115C, and produces a lot of steam. Nevil Shute (you read that right)
used this method, referred to as the 'Silicol' process, to fill his R100
blimp prototype. In a nutshell? For every 1 pound of ferrosilicon
reacted  enough hydrogen to generated to produce 1 pound of lift. The
ferrosilicon comes as a grit that can be packaged into managible loads
and carried on-site, along with caustic soda, to generate hydrogen to
fill the lifting balloons. Clever no?

See: http://www.rockhounding.net/projects/balloons/


P.S. The next engineering problem is to figure the optimal mandrel shape
for making  latex balloons. If you have any hints on this let me know:)


Subject: Re: Seeking UK cutter
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:08:01 -0800
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: Tony <lightbender@thegemdoctor.com>

I had a British couple in my office with some interesting
Australian Zircon rough, fairly clean and pinkish orange. They
wanted to commission me to facet these stones but then I
discovered they planned to return to the UK  with them.

At this point I suggested they wait until returning home before
getting them cut as they would be likely subject to taxes based
on the value of the stones being imported rather than my fees.
As these stones might possibly appraise well the taxes could be
a rather unpleasant shock to end an otherwise enjoyable

I would like to hear from any UK cutters that would be interested
and capable of accepting this commission. I would like to pass
on the contact information to this couple so that they can
arrange the cutting commission directly so that I am no longer

Thankyou for your help.



Subject: Tucson 2004
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 18:54:38 -0500
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "All That Glitters" <atggems@netzero.net>

Disappointing show in general - including the weather.  Been attending for
over 17 years.  Prices for everything seemed very high since the previous
years - green tanzanite, grossular garnet, tanzanite and other stones were
not touchable in price; in fact, for the prices that I am asking for better
material that was faceted in the U.S., I cannot even buy smaller material of
lesser quality.  One has to laugh or at least shrug one's shoulders as the
larger sizes, better color, U.S. Cut material that we have available - is
still not selling at the low prices, so either one can expect prices to jump
to new highs or the rough is not selling and will be lowered.



Subject: Polish Neon Apatite
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 18:56:57 -0500
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "All That Glitters" <atggems@netzero.net>

Our cutter is cutting some new neon apatite rough that we have.  He has cut
it before and getting a polish has not been a problem.  There are some
negative crystals which come to the surface at times, but the finished
product just doesn't take the polish and some of the facets are becoming
rounded - the stone doesn't look like the ones cut in the past.

Has anyone seen this before?  Any suggestions??




Subject: lost address book
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 02:33:03 -0500
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: "Richard Rosenthal" <kenaii@earthlink.net>

Richard Rosenthal
Dear List members,  Sort of perfect net storm has wiped out my computer, I am up  
and running with a new machine but have lost my records including my adress book I
would like to hear from all members with whom I have  corresponded with in the past
and all those who have bought Siberian Nephrite from me in the past  so that I can
begin to rebuild my address book and client list. As always I have catseye, gem and
carving grades of Nephrite for sale and my website which has had a few new articles
and pictures added remains Http://www.catsyejade.com.   If any members care to drop
me a line even a blank e-mail I so that I can reenter you into my address book I
would appreciate it terribly as I hate to loose contact with the membership base. 
Thanks ever so much Richard


Subject: New Product Announcement
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:29:21 -0600
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Jack Schmidling" <arf@mc.net>

It may seem pretentious that someone who didn't know what a facet was two
months is now offering an entry-level faceting machine for sale.  But that's
in my genes.  A look at my web site will make it obvious that every hobby I
have ever had, lead to some product for sale.

Anyway, I came up with something that has given me great pleasure making
gems out of marbles and did it for next to nothing out of my "junk box".
The product for sale is not out of my junk box but compared to what else is
out there it's as close to nothing as possible to do the job.

My faceting background is at  http://schmidling.netfirms.com/gems.htm

And the EasyGem machine is at  http://schmidling.netfirms.com/eg.htm

They are linked so you need only click on one.


PHOTO OF THE WEEK... http://schmidling.netfirms.com/weekly.htm










PERSONALS: (General Lapidary and Faceting)





OLD CLASSIFIEDS http://www.gemcutters.org/classifieds.htm

NEW SELF SERVE http://www.gemcutters.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi

Lurking is fine, but participation is better for learning !
Post something from your experiences in gemcutting today!

Never talk to the parrot
 Mrs. Peterson phoned the repairman because her dishwasher
quit working. He couldn't accommodate her with an "after-hours"
appointment and since she had to go to work, she told him, "I'll
leave the key under the mat. Fix the dish washer, leave the bill on
the counter, and I'll mail you a check. By the way, I have a large
rotweiler inside named Killer; he won't bother you. I also have a
parrot, and whatever you do, do not talk to the bird!"

Well, sure enough the dog, Killer, totally ignored the repairman,
but the whole time he was there, the parrot cursed, yelled, screamed,
and about drove him nuts.

As he was ready to leave, he couldn't resist saying, "You stupid
bird, why don't you shut up!"

To which the bird replied, "Killer, get him!!!"


It is common sense to take a method and try it.
If it fails, admit it frankly and try another.
But above all, try something.

---Former US President Franklin D. Roosevelt---


is produced by Thurmond Moore III

Tempie Francis, Attorney at Law / Legal Advisor


is never sent unsolicited.  You are receiving it
because you subscribed to it at our digest subscription page at:


To unsubscribe, just use the link below and follow the
instructions there:


List Posting Guidelines and rules can be found at:
Published about twice a week, except holidays
from Spur,Texas
Share your love of lapidary with everyone.