Issue No. 290 - Friday, June 25, 2004
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
http://www.gemcutters.org or
Hi all,

Here is this weeks list.


Index to Today's Digest

01  NEW: Franton saw
02  NEW: Polishing CZ
03  NEW: Need complete datvue2 files
04  RE: Real-Time List
05  RE: Widmanstatten lines
06  NEW: Gem Treatments - Opticon / Oiling - Vacuum
07  NEW: Florida Faceters Guild
08  FS: Cabber, Faceting Machines, Saw
09  RE: Backups (off topic but good advise)


Subject: Franton saw
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:54:19 -0700
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: John & Shauna <ojaijns@direcway.com>

Hope you can help.  I am in the process of restoring a
Franton Model 10DVS saw, grinders, polisher.  Serial
Number 6353.
Do you know where I can find a picture or better yet a
manual for it.  What year was it made?  Anyone have
Thanks, John Rupp


Subject: Polishing CZ
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:48:32 -0700
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Harv Turner" <olharv1@cox.net>

I'm an inexperienced faceter, but an experienced cabber and intarsia 
artist. I ready the digest but have, usually little to offer in the way 
of advice to faceters.
Working my way through Jeff Graham's lesson plan, I tried cutting his 
"Easy Cushion" design on a beautiful grape colored 3.5 gram piece of CZ 
thai I obtained this past winter. While the pieces of Quartz that I had 
cut previously came out perfectly, I had the very devil of a time 
getting this stone's pyramid cut; then I've had very little success 
polishing the facets on one cross-sectional axis of the stone. The 
facets toward 96 and 48 are fine, (finally) but the facets near to 24 
and 72 reach only what looks like a 600 level polish. I have used my 
Raytech Shaw machine with nearly new laps, 250, 600, 1200, followed by a 
Facet Shoppe cerium oxide lap. Also tried cerium oxide charged Batt Lap. 
I do have a tin lap and some 1/2 micron diamond that I haven't tried.
Nothing in my library seems to address this problem. I have the Vargas 
4th edit., Zeitner, Gem and Lapidary Matls., Sinkakas' Gem Cutting, and 
of course, Soukop's Facet Cutter's Handbook.
Any opinions regarding whether my problem is due more to a flaw in the 
material or a flaw in the cutter? Suggestions? And finally, assuming 
this is the best polish I can get on the pyramid, does it make any sense 
to transfer this stone and cut the crown facets?


Subject: Need complete datvue2 files
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:50:07 -0400
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Tyler D. Allen" <t.allen@mindspring.com>

Hoping someone can send me the complete datavue2 files.

Tyler Allen


Subject: Re: Issue No. 289 - Friday, June 18, 2004
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 01:11:52 -0400
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Kreigh Tomaszewski <Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net>
Cc: Jack Schmidling <arf@mc.net>

LapidaryArtsDigest wrote:
> __________________________________________________________
> Message:02
> Subject: List Comments
> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 22:34:43 -0600
> To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
> From: "Jack Schmidling" <arf@mc.net>
> I understand and was only trying to make the point that this is the only
> interest group I have ever been involved in that does not have even one real
> time list.  Not even usenet.. even the jewelry group has a moderator that
> has to clear all messages.  There simply is no place to get a fast answer to
> a question and this is a pity.
> js

FYI, the Rockhounds list is a real-time list

Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List
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so there is at least one place you can try for a quick answer to a



Subject: Re: Issue No. 289 - Friday, June 18, 2004
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 08:29:27 +0200
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "shakgemstones" <shakagemstones@global.co.za>

hi, it must be because of the heat of the welding causing a modification to
the meteorites grain structure I do not know how the welding heat was
removed either,was the material quenched or not ,quenching as opposed to a
slow cool down gives a harder grain where a slow cooling is an annealing
method you will have to try them both on a piece of scrap to find out which
to use regards Dave


Subject: Gem Treatments - Opticon / Oiling - Vacuum
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:33:23 -0700
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Steven W. De Long" <sdelong@san.rr.com>


I've been wondering if anyone has tried one of these new food sealing
machines that produce a vacuum to assist in treating gems with fractures.
Either Opticon or Oiling.

The ones I'm thinking of are at Walmart, etc. and are usually used with
plactic sheets.  Some of the newer ones have little Tupperware like
containers that can be sealed with the vacuum.

I'm thinking it might work but I'm not sure what level of vacuum you need to
use.  I was thinking you seal the stone and your treatment medium in one of
those containers and let it sit for a day or two.  Even if it's not a real
strong vacuum maybe it will work.

I think you can get one of these for just over $100.

What's everyone else think?

Thanks for your replies,

San Diego


Subject: Florida Faceters Guild
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 02:32:05 -0700
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Phillip L Stonebrook <plstonebrook@juno.com>

Greetings all...

Thurmond, please enter our guild web site URL and contact info on your
guild list. The Tomoka Faceters Guild is the best little guild in Florida
(well, okay, the only one too). We are offering out of state membership
at a reduce rate for all those that want our "cut of the month" output. I
hope all Florida faceters will come join our great group.

Best regards...
Phil in Florida
Tomoka Faceters Guild


Subject: Equipment for sale
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:29:31 -0400
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Bill Reed" <breed8@comcast.net>

I have a Genie Cab Unit, MDR 8" facet machine, American facetor 6", and 
a 4" trim saw for sale. I plan to put all up for auction on EBAY, but 
though I would offer it to list members first.  If anyone has an 
interest, email me at breed8@comcast.net and I'll email the details.


Subject: email backup-update
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:48:06 -0600
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "jake" <efjke@msn.com>

I wrote about backing up email that you want to save. I do not want to 
monopolize a subject but I have become aware of a problem, a big one 
with the directions I gave, to wit:

  "Thanks for the email, this is a subject that interests me. However, 
when I tried to follow your instructions it wouldn't work. I use XP and 
Outlook Express. What are you using?"

  So I went through the steps to see if I gave them right and found I 
got an error message, can't initialize MAPI. I found the following on 
the Microsoft site.
  "You must have Microsoft Windows Messaging, Microsoft Outlook 98, or 
Microsoft Exchange installed to export messages from Outlook Express. 
The necessary support library files and container file types are 
installed only by these programs."
Some software I had on the machine (I do not know if it was fax or 
imaging required the .DLL files, etc., necessary to also carry out the 
"automatic" backup I mentioned. That is to send it's content to or 
through a legacy program, such as Messaging.) I do not have it loaded 
now. Therefore I will give Microsoft's directions on how to do this 

  Steps for manually backing up mail from Microsoft.
  To manually export messages, use the following steps:
  Create a new folder on the desktop named Exported Mail (on the Finder, 
click File, and then click New Folder). Start Outlook Express. Note: or 
in documents, or better yet an extra hard drive, folder can be copied or 
moved later also-
  If necessary, resize the Outlook Express window so that the desktop is 
  Click the folder that contains the messages that you want to export 
(for example, the Inbox folder). Select the messages that you want to 
export by holding down the SHIFT key, and then clicking each message 
that you want to export.
  NOTE: To select all messages in a folder:
  Click one message.
  On the Edit menu, click Select All. Drag the selected messages from 
the Outlook Express window, and then put them in the Exported Messages 
folder that you created in step 1.
  Quit Outlook Express.
  To manually import messages, use the following steps:
  Start the version of Outlook Express into which you want to import the 
messages (keep in mind that you cannot run two instances of Outlook 
Express concurrently). If necessary, resize the window so that the 
desktop is visible.
  Open the Exported Messages folder that you created in step 1 of the 
"manual export" instructions. Select the messages that you want to 
import (for multiple messages, hold down the SHIFT key while clicking 
each message; to select all messages, click Edit, and then click Select 
  Drag the messages from the Exported Messages window into the 
appropriate folder in the Outlook Express window. Close the Exported 
Messages window.
  This article also serves as an option for backup and restoration of 
e-mail messages.
  You can simply back up the Exported Mail folder that you created in 
step 1 of the "manual export" instructions, send to a floppy or copy to 
another disk. You can also use the steps in this article for messages 
that are missed when you import them from Outlook Express 4.5 into later 
versions. To restore them simple import them, this always works. For the 
life of me I do not know why a feature so handy, "the auto" back up I 
mentioned is disabled without the other programs mentioned, or at least 
part of the files needed for a third party program. As it can be a bit 
of a pain if you create multiple folders to organize your mail. When 
this function is enabled you have the option of selecting all and 
exporting them to a folder in lieu of a program.

  One other thing I would not use your installation disk to put windows 
messaging on your disk, from Microsoft, I am sure this will apply to 
other versions also, to wit:
"The Messenger Service was originally designed for use by system 
administrators to notify users about the network. However, some 
advertisers have started using this service to send information via the 
Internet, and these messages could be used maliciously to distribute a 
virus. You should disable the Messenger Service in Windows 2000 to help 
protect your computer from unwanted spam, and other potential threats 
via the Internet."


Moderators Note:

If you use the current version of outlook express there is an easy way to do

Open Outlook Express
Click the MAINTENANCE tab.
Click on the "MESSAGE STORE" button.
Copy the entire path that appears.
Paste that path into a browser window and hit enter.
You are now looking at your message store.
Copy all items in this folder to your backup device.
Your e-mail is now "safe"on your backup media.(I use a CDR)

To restore use the "Import from a message store" function.
Microsoft OE 6.
Choose the Import mail from an OE6 store directory
Location of Messages should be the path to your backup.










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