Issue No. 261 - Wednesday, January 14, 2004
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
Hi All, 

There were 10 post so here is today's digest.


Index to Today's Digest

01  RE: DOS Gemcad vs Windows version.
02  RE: DOS Gemcad vs Windows version.
03  RE: Green Topaz Warning
04  RE: Graves modifications & burn out
05  RE: Faceting Burn Out
06  RE: Laps, 6" vs. 8"
07  NEW: cab grabber Help
08  NEW: Tucson Again
09  NEW: Date correction for 2004 Northwest International Faceting Symposium
10  NEW: Any New England GemCad WIndows Users?


Subject: GemCAD for Windows Re: Issue No. 259 - Friday, January 9, 2004
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 22:26:29 -0600
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Rough Ventures" <info@roughventures.com>


The newest win32 version of GemCAD does for faceting what Photoshop did for
graphic arts!  Basically, the software is awesome!  If you have not tried it
out, I suggest downloading the evaluation copy from www.gemcad.com.   Robert
Strickland put the software together, and he offers a 30-Day evaluation on
the program, so you can "try before you buy".  If you consider the time and
resources invested into writing software that works as well as GemCAD, and
the fact that GemCAD probably won't sell 500,000 copies, $95 is a nice price
for a software package that performs as well as the new GemCAD.

There are alternatives such as GemCalc which can be found at
http://www.gemology.ru/octonus/english/gemcalc/, but will cost you $180 to
keep it beyond the trial period (and it doesn't work with dvue2 files like

Then of course, if you are comfortable with the DOS version of GemCAD, you
can always stick with it, keep your $, and not upgrade.  The choice is

Happy Faceting,



Subject: Re Doscad vs WinCad
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 00:43:25 EST
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Cmsgt2@aol.com

Thanks. You knew the answers and now I do also.


Subject: Green Topaz Check Works
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 08:06:11 -0500
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Ted Shack <shacklap@sympatico.ca>

Thanks Don,I used the baby oil treatment that You recommended and it
works just fine.I took a known sample of diffusion sapphire to check
out the test and it gave me an idea of what to look for when I tested
several others.Much to my surprise I took 40 sapphires and found 2
difussion stones amongst them.I had 45 pcs of green topaz both emerald
green & teal green and each one of them
tested as difussion stone.I knew about the blue quartz and the mystic
topaz coatings from previous info from GIA.To verify the test I sliced a
couple of topaz pcs lapped the pavillions & of course I ended up with a
clear pc of topaz and in one case a very light blue stone.As a supplier
to a number of Jewelers in my area I will infom all my clients to be
careful of these stones.I see quite a few of these stones for sale on
the internet & I know it will cause problems for setters.I've already
had 2 instances from setters  of chipped emerald cuts which I sold new
stones to replace the ones they damaged on setting.From the info the
setters gave me it didn't take much pressure to "flake" the point where
the claw meet the topaz.I guess Buyer Beware is a good thing to
remember.Thanks for the info.
Hats off to this medium as it has helped me in several ways in the past
few yrs I've been a member.The responses from knowledgable people is
invaluable to everyone.Keep those questions & posts coming in it helps
Us All both hobbyists & the Professionals.

Ted S


Subject: Graves modifications & burn out
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 09:37:42 -0500 (EST)
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: DaveWoolley@webtv.net (Dave Woolley)


How well I know the problems of too many passions. 12 or so years ago I
was spending every minute learning how to faceting of my Graves. I began
to realize that there were some better methods of cutting to discover,
and then I saw that there were some built in problems with the machine.
I was also involved with starting a local rock & gem club, the Lynchburg
Gem & Mineral Society. That got me started with writing a series of
articles for the club news letter documenting my learning curve on
faceting. Then came the WEBTV and the Internet and the wonderful digests
to keep up with.

Marcus Beale and I started trying to up-grade the performance of our
machines which culminated with the Beale/Woolley Depth of Cut Indicator.

Thousands of E-mails pushing the Ohmmeter idea over the past ten years!
Where is my faceting time?
I have not cut a stone in 10 years.
I recently got back to the business of thinking about faceting. That
reminded me of another Graves problem and potential solution. Off to the
work shop: prototype and another addition to the Graves, even a handful
for Beta units for testing prior to a production run. I started testing
them myself (faceting!) That reminded me of another Graves difficulty.

As soon as my Machinist friend returns from a Florida vacation we will
make the prototype for that correction. If it works, this alignment tool
(Graves specific) will come with the "pinch bearing" replacement to a
small group for field testing prior to a production run. (Any one
interested? Send me your name, and mention if you have ever tried to
align your Graves, please.)

Looks like I may have to put off faceting again. I have a Graves, a
Facetron and the club's Ultratec in my basement, the club's lapidary
shop. I have not faceted with the Facetron or the Ultratec other than to
try the Ohmmeter. I prefer the Graves but I guess I won't use it until I
get it set up the way I want it. 

Someday faceting again?

Best regards,
Dave Woolley


Subject: Faceting Burn-Out
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:20:21 -0500
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Rich" <richtherm@bluemarble.net>

------I am also burnt out and need some time to get my excitement back for
the page and faceting in general. ------

Hi all and Mr. Davis,

I understand that statement well.  I have hit times recently where I would
stand and look at the machine for minutes before turning around and walking
away to watch the new movie the wife and kids had rented instead of cutting.
My burn out was this:

Going from a neat, exciting hobby to people saying "Can you get it done
by,,,,".  During last Christmas I had 10 orders in late November.  Adding in
my day job, trying to run a house and keep kids and wife happy wasn't
enough.  I got a flu that seemed to be the combination of all the bugs the
new flu shot didn't take into account.  I ended up cutting stones by forcing
my behind out of bed, then came the gold manufacture, ring sizing etc.  My
New Year resolution is this:  It's my hobby that I enjoy doing.  If they
want it done by date X, I need to know before a two weeks notice.  I'm
taking back my hobby for myself.....  I will get back into it, just taking a
break.  I have also learned that you can not make everyone happy.  Keep
yourself and your loved ones happy and healthy, that's what is really

Dad and everyone always said not to make a hobby you enjoyed into a
business.  They were all correct.  But, all of you have given so much to
everyone else in the faceting world and your knowledge is outstanding.  Cut
a stone for someone in your family, watch for that amazed look in their
eyes, and the urge will hit you again.

Keep up the good work all,

Rich Ashcraft
Lyons, IN


Subject: Re: Issue No. 260 - Saturday, January 10, 2004
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:49:46 EST
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Mapples54@wmconnect.com

Subject: 6 or 8 inch laps
From: Mel Pears, mapples@wmconnect.com

I find it an advantage to use a 6 inch lap on my machine to cut girdle
facets. Seems like even with a well aligned machine you get more flutter on the 8
inch lap because of the additional distance from the spindle.  My old Lee
(bathtub model) did not let you get far enough away to use a 8 inch on the girdle.
Guess that's why I prefer the 6 inch.  Happy cutting. 



Subject: cab grabber Help
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:51:01 -0500
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Tim Vogle <birdman@mindspring.com>

Some time ago there was a slab grabber,  spring loaded kind of like the old
double edge razor open up by screwing the top grabbed the cab and
retightening the nut.  Any one know if they still make these?  IF so Where
and who??



Tim Vogle Enterprises
DBA Slabs & Cabs
PO Box 421
Redan, GA 30074
770213-5300 beeper


Subject: Tucson Again
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:32:43 EST
To: usfgfaceterslist@yahoogroups.com, faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: JerilynPtr@aol.com

Hello All,

Earlier I asked about the date, time and place of faceter's dinner and
get-together.  Well I have had a lot of responses from a lot of really nice people,
but guess what: They want to know if I would tell them when and where also!

So, please, someone out there who knows let us all know.


in a quandary in Kirkland


Subject: Date correction for 2004 Northwest International Faceting Symposium
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:47:25 -0800
To: Lapidary arts and faceters digest <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: Dan Clayton <dclayton@speakeasy.net>

Please note the date change for this symposium. Dates given previously on my
website, the North Puget Sound Guild website, handouts and show packets have
all been wrong. May 28, 29 and 30 2004 is the correct date.

I hope to see you at the 2004 International Northwest Faceting Symposium in Mt
Vernon Washington, USA. The dates are May 28-30 2004. It will be held at the
Cottonwood Inn and Convention Center in Mt Vernon Washington. It will be
hosted by the North Puget Sound Faceting Guild. The Facet Shoppe and Alpha
Supply will be vendors. You can get a show packet with designs and rules for
the single stone competition as well as general show information from:

Bob Jimenez - Symposium Chairman
4440 Honeymoon Bay Road
Greenbank WA 98253

Phone - 360-331-4088


Subject: Any New England GemCad WIndows Users???
From: "All That Glitters" <atggems@netzero.net>
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:33:34 -0500

Funny that there should be some posts regarding GemCad as I was just
discussing this with another LapidaryArtsDigest Member yesterday.

I would love to see what this program does and can do.  If there is anyone
within the New England area using it and would like to do a quick demo, I
would be willing to visit - I would think that if I feel I can use it, I
would make the purchase.  Also, with a demo, I will have an intro to the
application and therefore, it is better than using the application initially
via trial and error.  I will have at least been introduced to it.


L. Allen Brown
Gemologist - GIA
All That Glitters
(Methuen, MA)


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