Issue No. 259 - Friday, January 9, 2004
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
Hi All, 

Get those post in for the next issue. Publication
will occur when 10 lapidary post are received or
Next Friday. (whichever comes first)


Index to Today's Digest

01  NEW: Green Topaz Warning
02  RE: Bytownite
03  RE: Data Vue and Win XP
04  NEW: Thanks from The Author of "The Gem Merchant"
05  NEW: Tucson rough purchasing trip
06  NEW: Laps, 6" vs. 8"
07  FS: Vertical Diamond Wheel to Trade or Sell
08  NEW: Tucson
09  NEW: DOS Gemcad vs Windows version.
10  FS: Estwing Tools
11  RE: Phone Scam (off topic)
12  RE: Phone Scam (off topic)


Subject: Green Topaz!!!A Warning Check it out before You Cut it!!!
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 15:55:08 -0500
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Ted Shack <shacklap@sympatico.ca>

A client of mine brought in a lovely 8 x 10 emerald cut stone(topaz)
with the nicest shade of emerald green.He wanted 2 baguettes cut from it
to set in a ring.I proceeded to cut the stone in half and the stone
started to lose it's colour to my surprise.I checked the pcs under a
microscope and found the stone had a thin layer of green coating and was
crystal clear internally.This was the first time I had cut this
material(green topaz) but have seen a lot of it on the internet and
shows.Is all this material difussion treated?I took a  teal green colour
topaz and did the same to it.Again it was just barely coated with a thin
I've been cutting stones for a long time and never have seen any green
topaz rough available.This posses a problem for stone repairs like the
difussion sapphires.I have come across quite a number of difussion
sapphires in for repairs in the past 2 or 3 yrs that have been
misrepresented as totally natural.The argument is the clear material is
natural sapphire but it is treated doesn't help when the lap hits the
Is there any tests to check these stone out before you start to cut
them.I usually check every suspected stone as most retailers aren't
gemologists &  they have no idea what they are getting repaired.Many a
time I've had to call the Jeweler and tell them what the item is prior
to starting work on the item & whether or not it should be repaired or
I've run into this problem with Amber also.So called Baltic Amber with
a thin film coating the surface posses a problem for repolishing.
Hope some one can help.I do get information from the GIA but some of
the tests are inconclusive with my testing equipment.

Ted Shack


Subject: bytownite
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 17:58:26 -0800 (PST)
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Alan Sutton <alan923@yahoo.com>

I have cut several gems from what I am told is Mexican Bytownite. I had
some problems with one where I left the table oriented very close to
the main cleavage plane, but I was able to get it polished by reversing
the direction of my lap and going to 50K diamond on tin. The rest of
the stone was no problem. I typically use an 'Spectra' UltraLap and the
polish comes up fast and bright. The really clean material makes for an
extremely bright and lively gemstone with a nice straw yellow color.
The rough is usually reasonably priced too.
Regards, Alan Sutton

I have pictures of my bytownite gems on my new website. Come see them
at www.intergate.com/~asutton/


Subject: Re: Issue No. 258 - Friday, January 2, 2004
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 23:26:41 -0600
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Rough Ventures" <info@roughventures.com>



What specific type of problem(s) are you having with dvue in windows XP?




Subject: Re: Issue No. 258 - Friday, January 2, 2004
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 16:38:29 -0300
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: David Stanley <davids@mail.cdlto.com.br>

  Happy new year to all,
           I would like to thank all of you who were so nice as to buy
my book this last year. You can have the book autographed free at booth
#709 at the GJX from 10:00-11:00 am Feb 5-11 in the Tucson Fair. I'll be
on my once a year trip to the US then.
   Again Thank you for your suport,
              David Stanley Epstein - Author of The Gem Merchant


Subject: Tucson rough purchasing trip
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 14:58:35 -0700
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Mark Zirinsky <mz@mho.net>

Hello miners

I will be purchasing rough in tucson in february. Looking for larger
carving materials, and combination carving/faceting materials. As always,
top quality materials.

please contact off list

Mark Zirinsky
Denver, Colorado USA
'private cutter buying rough and collections'


Subject: Laps, 6" vs. 8"
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:49:56 EST
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: DRB41347@aol.com


I'm learning the art of faceting and have just "inherited" an older Ultra Tec
faceting machine.  The machine came with a number of laps, some 6' and some
8".  I was wondering if there is any advantage (other than the obvious fact the
8" lap has more cutting surface) to using either size?  I've only been
faceting a few months and started out on an older Graves Mark I that came with the
8" laps.  I haven't yet used the Ultra Tec, I need to get some info oh how to
use the cheater.  Maybe I can figure it out when I have time to look at it. 
Anyway, any help with the advantages/disadvantages of the 2 sizes of laps will
be appreciated.

BTW, thanks for the response on the Bytownite question.



Subject: Vertical Diamond Wheel to Trade or Sell
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:26:42 -0200
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Robert <robertplowejr@uol.com.br>

06 January 2003

I have a brand new, never been out of the box
6" diameter by 1" wide by 180 grit Texture-X vertical diamond
grinding wheel from LapCraft bought in November 1999 with the product stock
number 5304X (I just downloaded Lapcraft's catalog and it looks as if
they have
changed the product stock number to 13103X.

Here is their blurb on these wheels:
TEXTURE-X TYPE 1A1 WHEELS are used for off-hand grinding and have an
interrupted pattern surface for aggressive grinding - fast and easy.
Diamond crystals are
bonded to seamless steel rings on durable lightweight nylon cores. Shaft
sizes are 1" bushed to
3/4", 5/8", and 1/2".

I paid USD$ 135.00 plus USD$ 23.10 for freight for a total of
USD$ 158.10. Their new catalog lists it at USD$ 140.00 with
out the freight.

At the time I ordered this wheel I had about 6 - 8 kilos of Emerald
rough that I was sawing
and preforming into cabochons and sawing and shaping into Emerald
slices. I also had large
quantities of Watermelon Tourmaline rough from the mine that I represent
that I was sawing
and shaping into Watermelon Tourmaline Slices - in pairs and sets and
some cabochons, and
also cabochoned slices.

The late Mark Liccini was scheduled to come to Brasil and I thought I
would get my job done faster with a newer diamond wheel. So I ordered
one from Lapcraft to be delivered to Mark's house, for him to bring to
me when he came to Brasil. It turns out that I inadvertently ordered the
wrong wheel, as a 180 grit wheel would be way too aggressive for working
on Emerald and Tourmaline. As my luck would have it, Mark arrived in
Brasil without the wheel - he forgot to bring it and also forgot to
bring it to the next Tucson Show. By the time I finally collected the
wheel from Mark, it was too late to send the wheel back to Lapcraft for
an exchange and I had sold almost all of the Emerald Rough to members of
this list and the production at the Tourmaline mine had petered out.

So I never did use the wheel. I would like to trade it for a similar
360 grit wheel in a similar state. Lapcraft's 360 grit wheel sells for
USD$ 120.00. Their catalog entry is : 13105X 6" X 1"-360 Grit 120.00

Or I will sell it for the original price of USD$ 135.00.

I will be at the February 2004 Tucson Show at the GJX in Booth # 205.
If anyone is interested in this wheel, contact me off the list (or even
on the list, if you want) and I will be sure to have the wheel at my
booth. Or if you aren't coming to the Tucson Shows and live in an area
where I will be visiting on my post Tucson Sales trip, I will stop by
and we will do the deal.

Or if anyone from Lapcraft is tuning in and would like to take this
wheel back in trade for 360 grit wheel - please contact me.

By the way, one of the reasons Mark was coming to Brasil was to see a
large 335 gram piece of Emerald Rough that I was offering to sell to
him. You can see it on < http://www.rocksmyth.com/ > choose
< Emerald Pages > on the left side menu and then choose
< Robert Lowe's Giant Emerald Find > or go directly to
< http://www.rocksmyth.com/emeralds/Emeralds.htm >
click on the thumbnail pictures and you can see them in larger size.

We ended up not selling the piece to Mark (He wasn't in a good mood as
his Imperial Topaz rough deal fell through) and we decided to saw the
rough clean and sell it that way. After it was sawed, we decided that
maybe it would sell faster as pre-forms so we preformed the stones. Then
we said "what the heck", we might as well get the stones faceted. You
can see the resulting stones on the 'rocksmyth' site. Several of the
faceted stones were sold to members of this list - the rest are still
available. We will have them at our booth at the February Tucson Show.

By the way, I got a New Year's day call from the Tourmaline Mine Owner
and apparently it is producing again as he wants me there to see the
material that is coming out.

Best regards,
Robert P. Lowe Jr
Lowe Associates - Brasil
Gemstones, Rough, Specimens
Tucson - February 5 - 10,2004 - GJX Booth # 205
e-mail: robertplowejr@juno.com - USA Feb. & March
e-mail: robertplowejr@uol.com.br - Brasil


Subject: Tucson
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:22:39 EST
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: JerilynPtr@aol.com

I get to go to Tucson!  This is my first time, YESSS-----YAHOO-----WHEE!!

So, please, those of you who have been before; what and where are your must
see favorites? And, since I did not pay attention earlier, when and where is
THE DINNER? I am looking forward to putting faces with names on the digest.

But, I'm not excited :-)))

in snowy Kirkland


Subject: Faceting (GemCad)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:40:09 EST
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Cmsgt2@aol.com

Does GemCad for Windows offer any advantage over the DOS version? I am
comfortable with Dos commands (been doing this a long time) but get a bit
uncomfortable when it costs $95 if there is no improvement.


Subject: Estwing Tools
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 12:00:44 -0500
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Robert Edgar, Jr" <edgarr@mccc.edu>

I have a new, 7-piece set of Estwing Rockhounding tools for sale.  The
set comprises:
1 - Gad-pry bar
1 - 3# Crack Hammer
1 - Long-handle Rock Pick
1 - #12 Rock Chisel
2 - # 9 Rock Chisels
1 - # 7 Rock Chisel
I am asking $125.00  + shipping  -  US only   We accept Visa, Mastercard
& Discover
If anyone is interested, please contact me off-list      Edgarr@mccc.edu
Bob Edgar   GSJ Lapidary  New Jersey


Subject: Re: Issue No. 258 - Friday, January 2, 2004
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 15:21:55 -0500
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Kreigh Tomaszewski <Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net>

LapidaryArtsDigest wrote:
> Message:07
> Subject: Re: Issue No. 257 - Monday, December 22, 2003
> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:16:32 -0500
> To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
> From: Donald Allen <donallen@gwi.net>
> This isn't about lapidary, but I thought it important enough to send in:
> I recieved this message from a friend:
> Someone I know at work received a telephone call last evening from an individual
> identifying himself as an AT&T Service technician who was conducting a test on
> 9 0), the pound sign (#), and then hang up.

This is an Urban Legend that has been around a long time. See


or the many other pages easily found on the subject with a search



Subject: re: phone scam
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 01:29:04 -0800
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Bob" <knapper@napanet.net>

Donald, what you sent is true and not true.   Is
this scam possible? Technically, yes. This trick can work with business
phone systems or switchboards where pressing '9' is the signal to obtain
an outside line, and where there are no restrictions placed on outgoing
calls. (As many of us know, our employers' phone systems are often
configured to prevent us from making long-distance calls from our
desks.)  Do you, as the average residential or cell phone customer (in
the USA, at least), have to worry about this scam? No, not unless your
home phone requires you to press '9' to obtain an outside line.
Otherwise, the only result you'll obtain from trying this is likely to
be a fast busy signal. Probably it's a good idea, if any of us receive a
similar letter from a "friend" is to check out one of the urban legend
websites and see if it isn't e-rumor or e-gossip we're spreading.

Napa Valley


None Today








PERSONALS: (General Lapidary and Faceting)






Lurking is fine, but participation is better for learning !
Post something from your experiences in gemcutting today!

Loud, mad, or sad
The psychology instructor had just finished a lecture on
mental health and was giving an oral test.

Speaking specifically about manic depression, she asked,
"How would you diagnose a patient who walks back and
forth screaming at the top of his lungs one minute, then
sits in a chair weeping uncontrollably the next?"

A young man in the rear raised his hand and answered,

"A basketball coach?"


Frank lavin" nival42@hotmail.com


I assume you have all see the reports about how Sears is treating its
reservist employees who are called up? By law, they are required to hold
their jobs open and available, but nothing more.  Usually, people take a big
pay cut and lose benefits as a result of being called up...
Sears is voluntarily paying the difference in salaries and maintaining all
benefits, including medical insurance and bonus programs, for all called up
reservist employees for up to two years. I submit that Sears is an exemplary
corporate citizen and should be recognized for its contribution.
Suggest we all shop at Sears, and be sure to find a manager to tell them why
we are there so the company gets the positive reinforcement it well deserves.

Pass it on.

So I decided to check it out before I sent it forward. I sent the following
email to the Sears Customer Service Department:

I received this email and I would like to know if it is true. If it is, the
Internet may have just become one very good source of advertisement for your
store. I know I would go out of my way to buy products from Sears instead of
another store for a like item even if it was cheaper at the other store.
Here is their answer to my email......................

Dear Customer:

Thank you for contacting Sears.

The information is factual. We appreciate your positive feedback. Sears
regards service to our country as one of greatest sacrifices our young men
and women can make. We are happy to do our part to lessen the burden they
bear at this time.

Bill Thorn
Sears Customer Care

Please pass this on to all your friends, Sears needs to be recognized for
this outstanding contribution and we need to show them as Americans, we do
appreciate what they are doing for our military.


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