Issue No. 206 - Monday, September 15, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
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Index to Today's Digest

01  NEW: Carving
02  NEW: Cool machine on ebay
03  NEW: International symposium in Istanbul
04: NEW: The loss of Fred Van Sant
05: RE: The loss of Fred Van Sant
06  NEW: HR 2416: The Palentological Resources Preservation Act
07  NEW: Burglars Steal $1.25 Million Sapphire


Subject: Carving
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:18:56 -0700
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: "two" <two@eskimo.com>

I need 4 carvers to try a new product that we have been asked to sell. I
would like some feedback before we jump-in. This material is diamond in
a special "Wax" that is used on bristle brushes or felt wheels to pre
polish and polish carvings.
The first 4 to respond will get the samples, please respond off list.


Subject: Cool machine on ebay
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 22:10:13 -0500
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Gene Goldsand <egoldsand@earthlink.net>

Hey all you machinist types! there is a cool little machine on ebay that
someone ought to snag.
In a much earlier lifetime I had one of these in the orthopedic research
lab which I managed.
We used it to cut bone sections which would later be embeded and ground
thin. I also used it to cut slices of cobalt chrome
total hips. It is like a tiny benchtop surface grinder. The one on fleabay
has a reserve so it may need watching but the guy eventually relists with
no reserve. Its built like a real machine tool. This one is missing the
carriage. The water control hooding
was plexiglas and galvanised and practically looked homemade. These are
missing also. Would make a cool trim saw  or small surface grinder .

Best regards


Subject: International symposium in Istanbul
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 09:02:12 +0300
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "birdamlasu" <fob@birdamlasu.com>

Dear friends,

We have a symposium in Istanbul between 15th and 18th September. It is
mostly about building materials, but in the 4th day presentations there is
also Gemstones. I will give a powerpoint presentation about natural and
synthetic emeralds and I will show the photos I took through the microscope.
The website for this event is;

And you will see my name in;

I am quite excited....
Kind regards from Turkey,
Oya Borahan


Subject: RE the Demise of Fred Vant Sant
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 07:38:00 -0700
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Charles Moon <clmoon@pacbell.net>

Dear Members of the Faceting World,  it is with regret to announce
that Fred Van Sant died on Sept. 6, 2003.
There will be no obituary, per se, that was Fred's wish, and the
daughter's will abide by his wish.  However, in order to celebrate a
remembrance of such an  important person as Fred was in the faceting
world, I have permission to collect anecdotal information from any of
you who would like to respond.  You can either send your stories to
me for a collection to be published, or you can send them to either
Jeff Ford or Thurmond  Moore for their daily faceting lists.

I will send my collection to the USFG Newsletter, to both USFG and
Lapidary Arts Faceting Lists, and more importantly, I think, to the
two daughters of Fred as a memorabilia contribution of their beloved
and most extraordinary Father.

Like the following:  Did you know that Fred never took an advanced
math course in this whole  life?  If he wanted to master Calculus, he
found a Calculus text and mastered the subject. He learned so many
different approaches to mathematics in the same manner that he ended
up inventing a whole, complete, NEW approach to mathematics based on
NEGATIVE  numbers.  The approach was never presented to the math
world, simply because the mathematical PhD's who read the approach
could not comprehend it.  That was one Fred's many phenomenal gifts.
Sincerely -- Charlie Moon -- <clmoon@pacbell.net>


Subject: Fred Van Sant
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 08:35:29 -0700 (PDT)
To: LAPIDARY ARTS & FACETERS DIGEST <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: Glenn Klein <glennklein@yahoo.com>

Fellow Faceters:
My day is now ruined.  I am very sad to hear that we have lost Fred Van Sant. 
Charlie Moon sent me an email informing me that Fred departed our faceting
world on September 6th. 
Fred was a true Giant in our area of hobby choice.  He was always a great
help in pushing some of us early competition faceters into being better faceters. 
His many facet designs will always be of value in the future.  He was in that
early group who made the United States Faceters Guild become a thing of
reality.  He was the first President of the USFG (then known as "USA
Competition Faceters"). 
I have had the pleasure of knowing Fred from the early days of the Faceters
Fairs held in San Jose each January, back in the 1970's.  Upon meeting him
then, I immediately knew that here was a man to really look up to and admire. 
He had that air about him that made you take notice.
Although Fred did and I still do on occasion pilot an airplane,  that was one
area that Fred did not like to get into discussions about with me.  Fred was a
B-17 pilot in WW II and had enough bad experiences during that time that he
put it all behind him.  What I do remember learning way back when was that
Fred was eventually shot down and spent time in the German prison camps. 
I guess it is no wonder that he did not want to reflect back on those unpleasant
Fred remains as a HERO to me.  He will live with me as long as I will remember.
I am so glad that I was able to get him to come to the Faceters Symposium
2003 in Ventura last June.  He was our Guest Of Honor there, and I was
happy as everyone stood with me to give Fred a good round of applause. 
I am sure he appreciated the applause.  I am happy that we showed him our
appreciation while he was still alive.
But now, good-bye Fred.  I am proud to have known you!
Glenn Klein
Lake Forest, CA USA


Subject: HR 2416: The Palentological Resources Preservation Act
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:48:07 -0400
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Kreigh Tomaszewski <Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net>

I am asking you to contact your US Representative to seek their vote
against HR 2416. The Palentological Resources Preservation Act is a
flawed solution that would result in the elimination of geology and
paleontology as sciences in the United States by outlawing the amateur
collectors needed to keep these sciences alive. In the long term it
would probably eliminate our nation's ability to prosper due to the
demise of mining. By its lumping of fossil and mineral collecting it
would make rockhounding a crime.

As a fellow rockhound I am sure you are aware of the long history of
contributions from amateurs to science in general, and to geology,
paleontology, and mineralogy in particular. This bill places amateur
'rockhounds' and fossil collectors in the same category as drug dealers,
calling for the seizure of their vehicles and property as a _civil_
penalty for even minor infractions.

I fail to see any benefit to the country from outlawing a family
oriented collecting hobby that produces science educated adults. I
forsee great long term harm if it should pass. Please make every effort
to stop this bill (and its companion Senate version, S 546, that has
already passed) from becoming law.

You can contact your Representative online at http://www.house.gov or by
phoning 800-839-5276.

Kreigh Tomaszewski


Subject: Yahoo! News - Burglars Steal $1.25 Million Sapphire
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 22:50:31 -0500
From: Downey <alckytxn@swbell.net>











PERSONALS: (General Lapidary and Faceting)






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 "Mommy, my turtle is dead," the little boy, Freddie, sorrowfully
told his mother, holding the turtle out to her.

     The mother kissed him on the head, then said, "That's all right.
We'll wrap him in tissue paper, put him in a little box, then have a
nice burial ceremony in the back yard.  After that, we'll go out for an
ice cream soda, and then get you a new pet.  I don't want you...." Her
voice trailed off as she noticed the turtle move.  "Freddie, your turtle
is not dead after all."

     "Oh," the disappointed boy said.  "Can I kill it?"



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