Issue No. 230 - Monday, October 20, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
Hi all,

Another good List Today.  Many thanks to all who posted.
Have a great weekend and remember to share your cutting
experiences from this weekend with the list next week.


Index to Today's Digest

01  RE: Raytech Mist Killer
02  NEW: 10" saw advice
03  RE: honduras opal - getting a great stone
04  RE: stabilizing turquoise
05  RE: Pearls before Swine
06  RE: grip getting
07  RE: ADV: 21st Annual IMRMC Silent Auction
08  RE: Turquoise


Subject: Re: Issue No. 228 - Thursday, October 16, 2003 - Raytech Mist Killer
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:08:05 -0400
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: Jim Small <jsmall47@earthlink.net>

Sherris -

The point of Mist Killer is it prevents the formation of aerosol mist
within the saw compartment, and the subsequent release of the mist into
your workshop when the saw is opened. I routinely use latex gloves when I
am running my saws, so I never have any skin contact with the Mist Killer
itself, either straight (before mixing) or afterward. The Mist Killer is
durable, as I have one batch of Almag which I have used in my 12" Lortone
for almost 15 years now with slight additions each year to replace the
inevitable filtration losses. I used the recommended mix of Mist Killer to
oil when I started in 1988 at my then new location, and I have added less
than 3 ounces of Mist Killer in the intervening years, along with less than
a gallon of fresh Almag.

Jim Small
Small Wonders Lapidary


Subject: 10" saw advice
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 08:46:15 -0500
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Carol Carter-Wientjes" <lavenderfish@cox.net>

Hi fellow lapidary hounds,

I'm asking Santa for a 10" saw for Xmas this year, long overdue to graduate
up from a dinky 4"! Needless to say, so many saws, so many brand

Do any of you have or know someone who has a 10" Hi-Tech, and if so are they
happy with it? Or wish they'd gone with something else?

I'm sure there will be a variety of opinions on which saw will give the best
bang for the buck and that'll be great. Thanks & am looking forward to
hearing your voices of experience, Carol


Subject: honduras opal - getting a great stone
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:06:49 -0700
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Mark Zirinsky <mz@mho.net>

1. with honduras opal, selection of rough is particularly important.
2. this opal forms as bubbles in basalt. nothing new with that idea,
however, you need to think of the bubble as layers of an onion, concentric
spheres. Some have very high silica content (those with a vitreous luster)
and will polish, other do not have enough silica to polish well. The silica
'bubble' does not always follow the fire lines, and vica versa
3. as you are chasing a spherical layer, conventional cabbing does not work
well - preform, then carve.
4. finishing sequence: a) 1200 diamond b) 100,000 diamond on a very6 soft
backing (you are loading up the pores of the stone to prevent
contamination) c) 14,000 on a soft back d) 50,000 on a soft back
5. steps a) above, 30-seconds b) 30 seconds c) 5 minutes d) 5 minutes, lots
of pressure, soft back
6. do not use cerium, it just loads into the pores, the diamond does also
but, as it is transparent, so what.

when you can get a good stone from this material, it is just beautiful. Saw
a honduras stone set in 22k w/diamonds at AGTA Tucson, great stone.

happy cutting

Mark Zirinsky


Subject: stabilizing turquoise
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:56:40 -0700
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "b-daw" <b-daw@pacbell.net>

greetings thurmond and all!
i just wanted to ad a small comment about stabilizing turquoise. 
another method for stabilizing was passed to me via my lapidary club.  i
have not used it personally but, they said to soad your turquoise with
acetone and plexiglass for awhile.  the acetone breaks down the
plexiglass and the turquoise absorbs the breakdown.
so cal
Patty Miklik

Web:    www.gemstonesource.com


Subject: Re: Pearls before Swine
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:38:44 -0700
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: Tony <lightbender@thegemdoctor.com>

Hello Jerry,

If you are becoming fabulously wealthy selling your wares to
gemstone ignoscenti then all the more power to you. Being a
lesser mortal I will seek a more appreciative audience that is
willing to pay my prices without my having to educate them.

>  As for the great unwashed.
> This is a term used in the past to denote the laborer
> and crafstman by the elete.
Actually one of the later hijackings of the expression. The
original was a medieval Papal expression accurately and non
prejudicially used to denote the congregation. The design of the
Catholic church and the use of incense is a direct result of
limited knowledge of personal hygiene by the devout.
Use of the expression to denote labourers and craftsmen pretty
much died out when the French great unwashed removed their elite
The last century saw it being used to denote those who would not
or could not read the works of the authors that used it.
Today it means a secular group of head bangers. 'If I can't bang
my head to it, it ain't music'.

If we all used Latin, none of this would happen.


Subject: Re: grip getting
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 14:04:24 -0700
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: Tony <lightbender@thegemdoctor.com>

Hello Richard,

> If a stone can be replaced  with a comparable stone
>  one can get a value.
I would say that therein lies the rub. I have no doubt that you
have the skill to reproduce or even improve on anything that I
might cut but it wouldn't be a genuine Tony cut stone. Your time
may be more or less valuable than mine and the resultant stone
value would reflect that. Your stone may be more attractive and
desired by the customer but it wouldn't be a replacement it
would be a substitute.

>   As a cutter/artist (at least I like to
> think I am) I may not like my work being appraised by others
> and may not always agree with the appraisal but I understand
> the need.
Personally I could care less what a NON cutter thinks of my work
and I don't care how many exams they've passed. An appraised
value has nothing to do with my price. I have cut way too many
weird things for jewellers that cost them many many times what
the stones could be appraised for. If someone doesn't want to
pay my prices or think I am way overpriced they can go somewhere


Subject: ADV: 21st Annual IMRMC Silent Auction
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:32:57 -0400
To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com, LapidaryList@yahoogroups.com, Lapidary Arts and
Faceters Digest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Kreigh Tomaszewski <Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net>

The Indian Mounds Rock and Mineral Club of Wyoming, Michigan, will be
holding their 21st annual 'Silent Auction' on Tuesday, October 21, 2003,
at Wesley Park United Methodist Church (1150 32nd St. SW {corner with
Michael}, Wyoming, MI) from 7 to 9 pm (6:30 pm if you have items to
auction). All visitors are always welcome!

Materials to be auctioned include specimens, cutting rough, handmade
jewelry, books, equipment, or anything pertaining to the Rockhounding
hobby. High ticket items will be on a special table open until the end
of the auction.

If you wish to auction items you can select to donate all proceeds to
the club, or to retain 80% of the proceeds; you need to join the club
($15-family, $10-Single, $5-Junior), which can be done the night of the
auction, to submit split proceeds items for auction. This is a good
opportunity to sell surplus items (of a quality you would not mind

The annual auction gives children and newer collectors an opportunity to
acquire quality specimens at reasonable cost, experienced collectors an
opportunity to fill gaps in their collection, and introduce newcomers to
the excitement and variety of our shared hobby -- bring a friend.

I hope you can join us to make this another auction worth remembering.


P.S., contact me if you need further details.


Subject: turquoise
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:41:16 -0600
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>>
From: "jake" <efjke@msn.com>

That is simply not true.  The reason for the shuck and jive you see on many
web pages in particular is natural turquoise is not all that hard to come
by, they just dont want to pay for it.  Sa examples, a Mr. Carol
Crittingham was cutting a piece about a year ago as I have this thing about
that stone we talked.  I waited until March when a guy (I would have to look
up the name as I really dont remember, and it was unimportant at the time)
came to the Ogden show.  I bought a pound and a half of Fox mine turquoise
at 20 cents a gram (he gives a discount to club members). He also had
Apache.  I in fact sent a piece of that to Australia to the people I got my
torch I have written about though (they said try it and if you are happy pay
us, since then they told me I could keep it).  In any event it was the right
thing to do and I am sure they liked it, as they do not have that down
under.  (It was also the bluest piece I had, about an once+, did not weigh

  More than a year ago I saw Firemountain had gem grade Hobi turquoise at
that time and I got some of that.  Most of this was very nice, some
excellent, and a bit not so hot.  This was sold by the gram (500grm+ or
something, at the time). Before it was over I had bought a little over a
kilo.  (I am beginning to think that if you want to make money you should
change your name, move, and most important do not tell friends or relatives,
just joking, sort of.)

The turquoise fad has waned, (probably due in part to a flood of plasticized
chalk) and in any event those who like this stone should see a drop in price
and more availability, but cant say when.

There is also Morenci stone works.  In short it is not so hard to get,
however, since most change hands the price goes up along with the shuck and
jive, in order to justify the price charged.  Even Multistone had natural
turquoise last I looked.  Understand I could say a bit more but will not as
if I need some I do not what them to be out, sorry but.  This happened once,
had to wait an eternity.  The leg work to track some of this down can be a
lot, some out there I am sure count on this so as to sell what they have
(stabilized or high prices).  But really this bit about there being none
left (unless it is a particular type) is bunk.

 As to high prices this depends, Jeff Graham sell some that is high, however
with that you get choice stuff, and you dont have to buy bulk.  This is of
course is hand-selected etc. and of the less available to rare. Then there
are others would sell you their mother if they could.


None for today!








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Subject: Tommy Cooper one-liners
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:42:45 +1000
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: Reg Hodges <rghodges@bigpond.com>

Two Aerials meet on a roof - fall in love - get married.
The ceremony was rubbish but the Reception was Brilliant.
Man goes to the doc, with a strawberry growing out of his head.
Doc says "I'll give you some cream to put on it."
"Doc, I can't stop singing the green green grass of home."
"That sounds like Tom Jones syndrome."
"Is it common?"
"It's not unusual."
A guy walks into the psychiatrist wearing only clingfilm for shorts.
The shrink says, "Well, I can clearly see you're nuts."
A man takes his Rottweiler to the vet. "My dog's cross-eyed, is there
anything you can do for him?"
"Well," says the vet, "let's have a look at him".
So he picks the dog up and examines his eyes, then checks his teeth.
Finally, he says "I'm going to have to put him down".
"What? Because he's cross-eyed?".
"No, because he's really heavy!"
"Doctor, I can't pronounce my F's, T's and TH's."
"Well you can't say fairer than that then!"
Two elephants walk off a cliff......... boom boom!
What's brown and sounds like a bell?
What do you call a fish with no eyes?
A fsh.
So I went to the dentist.
He said "Say Aaah."
I said "Why?"
He said "My dog died."
"So I got home, and the phone was ringing. I picked it up, and said
"Who's speaking please?"
And a voice said "You are."
So I rang up my local Sports Centre.
I said "Is that the local Sports Centre?"
He said "It depends where you're calling from."
So I rang up a local building firm.
I said "I want a skip outside my house."
He said "I'm not stopping you."
Apparently, 1 in 5 people in the world are Chinese.
And there are 5 people in my family, so it must be one of them.
It's either my mum or my dad.
Or my older brother Colin.
Or my younger brother Hoi-Chau-Chu.
But I think it's Colin.
So I was in my car, and I was driving along, and my boss rang up.
He said "You've been promoted."
And I swerved.
And then he rang up a second time and said "You've been promoted again."
And I swerved again.
He rang up a third time and said "You're managing director."
And I went into a tree.
And a cop came up and said "What happened to you?"
And I said "I careered off the road."
Now, most dentist's chairs go up and down, don't they?
The one I was in went back and forwards.
I thought "This is unusual".
And the dentist said to me "Mr Cooper,
get out of the filing cabinet."
So I was getting into my car, and this bloke says to me
"Can you give me a lift?"
I said "Sure, you look great, the world's your oyster, go for it.!!"
Two fat blokes in a pub.
One says to the other "Your round."
The other one says "so are you, you fat bast**d!"
Two cannibals eating a clown.
One says to the other "Does this taste funny to you?"
Police arrested two kids yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other
was eating fireworks.
They charged one and let the other one off.
You know, somebody actually complimented me on my driving today.
They left a little note on the windscreen, it said
"Parking Fine."  Wasn't that nice?.
A man walked into the doctors, The doctor said "I haven't seen you in a long
The man replied "I know I've been ill."
A man walked into the doctors, he said "I've hurt my arm in several places."
The doctor said "Well don't go there any more."
I had a ploughman's lunch the other day.
He wasn't very happy.
My dog was barking at everyone the other day.
Still, what can you expect from a cross-breed.
I was driving down the freeway with my girl the other day when we both got a
bit frisky and decided to do something about it.
So we decided we'd take the next exit,
but it was a turn-off.
Went to buy some camouflage trousers the other day,
but I couldn't find any.


Reg Hodges



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