Issue No. 223 - Thursday, October 9, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
Index to Today's Digest

01  RE: What is a gemstone?
02  RE: What is a gemstone?
03  RE: Regarding petoskey Stone
04  RE: electricinsulaterite
05  RE: Hiddenite HELP!!
06  NEW: how to polish moissanite

4 Messages forwarded from the Lapidary Digest Site
(these will be up all week)


Subject: What is a gemstone?
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 16:48:45 -0400
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: Jim Small <jsmall47@earthlink.net>

>What is a Gemstone?

In the mid-1970s, when I opened my first lapidary and jewelry business, the
general public was enamored of "precious" stones. Specifically, diamonds,
emeralds, rubies, sapphires, and precious opals. I did a lot of shows, and
found this particular bias everywhere in the northeast part of the US.
Whenever a prospect would ask me what a gemstone was I would respond "any
stone hard enough to accept a polish and durable enough to keep it during
routine wear". I've been doing lapidary full-time since 1993, and cannot
find a better definition.

Jim Small
Small Wonders Lapidary


Subject: What is a Gemstone?
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:03:31 -0500
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Robert Powell" <texeclectic@earthlink.net>
Cc: <gggemswcr@cox.net>

        Mr Gerry Galarneau,

        In response to your letter " What is a Gemstone " ? ,
I have tried to address short portions with short responses .
I have done so to cover a large, complex subject succinctly .
This serious business and needs a serious response.
I consider this and other's writings as a part of my continuing education.

        " What has changed in my definition of
    what is a gemstone is the inclusion of physically fragile stones and
    stones of low value. "

This change is market driven . This is neither good nor bad unless it
is reverent to some specific situation or event. Mass marketing is
marketing to and for the masses.

        "We as lapidaries need a description of the word
    Gemstone that will allow us to attach value to both the material we work
    with and the skill with which we work."

The standards of valuation and appraisal are a dynamic mix of Fashion, Aesthetics,
Cultural values, and Economics .

        "They are more knowledgeable about the different kinds of stones
and their identification. "

It seems much easier to display quality than to describe it.
It is a lot easier to show people the difference than it is to tell them.
Identification of different species and types is easier because of specific
physical qualities and standards .

        " As each year goes by I find jewelers and the public are less
    knowledgeable about the grading of colored stones. "

This is the result of the dilution and muddying of valuation and appraisal standards.
Marketing tells the masses that they can have something " Just as Good for Less ."
The public is increasingly more afraid to make the effort to think for itself.
The belief that the more values are shared, the more correct and greater
validity is common.

        " What they spent their money on is often a big surprise
    when they take the item to an appraiser ".

Anna M. Miller who co authored " Standard Catalogue of Gem Values " with
John Sinkankas has a correspondence class for valuation and appraisal which
is highly regarded.  http://www.mastervaluer.com/program.html

I have " Gems and Jewelry Appraising " by Anna M. Miller . ISBN 0-44226467-4
pub. 1988 . There is a second and I believe an improved edition .
This book is used as part of the training for becoming a certified appraiser .

I believe the only way to speak out above the drone of mass marketing is through
Industry Certification . As I understand Valuation practice , there are several standards
of valuation which depend on the type of market and " Defined Value " .

I intend to take the " Master Valuer Program " class as soon as finances permitting .

Respectfully Yours,
Robert L.Powell


Subject: Regarding petoskey Stone
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:15:27 -0400
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: "Don Sommerfield" <dlsomm@hotmail.com>

I am not sure what was meant by a kit for barrel tumbling. If you are
looking for larger tumblers try Kingsley- North !-800 338 9280. They have
grits. polish and machines at discount prices.
First, are you sure you want to tumble Petoskey stones? They are quite soft
and do not take polish in a tumbler.  The tumbler would be useful for the
initial   coarse grind and maybe the medium grind. Most folks  do the
polishing by hand. Ths  can be done by machine or elbow grease. Please e
mail me and maybe I can help. ----  Don


Subject: electricinsulaterite
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:15:17 -0700
To: "'LapidaryArtsDigest'" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Dan Linder" <dan@madfrog.net>


So how can someone like me get ahold of this "electricinsulaterite"

(Rather be groped by Arnold than screwed by Gray!)

Subject: breweryite
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:36:00 -0400
To: "faceter's digest" <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Beth & Doug Dover" <ddover@carolina.rr.com>

I have also cut breweryite in the past in green and brown, BUT I much
prefer Cokeite and 7UPite. One of the finest I have cut is
electricinsulaterite in a pale blue.

Doug in


Hi Dan, I have a large supply. Send me your snail mail address and I will
send you some.


Subject: RE: Hiddenite HELP!!
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:13:26 -0600
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Todd" <td_gunz@yahoo.com>

            While I struggle enough with the more common gemstone
materials too much to ever get into problematic materials for cutting, I
did come across some good information on Hiddenite.
            Here's a link to how to cut and polish Hiddenite, and it's
kissin' cousin Kunzite;
            Look at the size of the Hiddenite crystal in the pic on this
page!  It's about the biggest one I've seen browsing the web for info!
            There's also a link on that page to an article about
polishing Kunzite.  Evidently both are problematic materials to work
with, having uneven cleavage planes and being prone to splintering,
fracturing, and chipping at the slightest pressures on these planes.
            Good luck, you're a far bolder person than I am to try
something as fractious (pun intended) as Spodumene.

Subject: new how to polish moissanite
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:31:22 -0400
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: ronsmans <BRONSMANS@compuserve.com>

hello everybody
i am a stone dealer in belgium and i do some lapidary work to help things

out mainly repolish ,  repair or cut on size
lately i ran into a problem i could not handle: a client brought a
moissanite with a scratched facet and trying to polish (diamond 50k on
copper disk) i made things even worst
does anyone of you has a better way than what i tried

i do not like moissanite for they are a not very clear market but i would

like to know how to polish them
thank you

bruno ronsmans


Hale receives questions from time to time and I have agreed to
handle them via the list. If any member can help any of these
folks please respond to them directly as they are not yet members.
Remember to copy the list for the information archives.

Thx. Thurmond

From: Duckfarm7979@aol.com
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 2:57 PM
Subject: Message from Website

Am looking for a dig site in the san antonio or south texas area to take my grandson
to.  Dont know where to look.  He is a budding rockhound and would like to look for
minerals and gemstones.  Can you help direct me?
                        Peggie J. Shinn
                         Duckfarm7979 @aol.com


From: Rick Harris  bluecloud115@hotmail.com
Subject: Message from Web Site

Hi I have been emailing Ashish Jain one of your advertisers at the address listed in
the ad ash.jain@pmail.net and I always get a failure delivery notice when sending.
Can you please give me a phone number or give my email address to Ashish. I need the
agate dyes being advertised. Thanks Rick


From: "Carol Roush" <cjroush@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:31 PM
Subject: Rock Polisher

Dear Sir:
I have been on a quest to find a source to purchase a
polishing kit to use on a large collection of Petoskey
stones that I have accumlated over the years.  So far,
I haven't had any luck.  Your web site was suggested
and since you have an e-mail address, I thought I'd
write to you.

Can you suggest a catalog, or other source, that might
have the equipment I would like.  My father had a
small electric tumbler/polisher many years ago and I
thought finding one would be easy!!  Any information
you may have, would be appreciated.  Also, if you
don't know of any source, or don't believe there is
one, let me know and I'll discontinue my search.

Wayne Roush


From: yolly lee
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:56 AM

Dear Sir,
I am looking for suppliers of dyeing chemicals used to color agate stones.
Do you have any source for these coloring material or could you help us
find suppliers?
We anticipate your immediate reply.

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PERSONALS: (General Lapidary and Faceting)






Lurking is fine, but participation is better for learning !
Post something from your experiences in gemcutting today!

The job security quiz will help judge how long you'll end
up at your current job and what will become of you.

The boss appears at your cubicle and finds you playing
DOOM at your desk, you...

A. Swear to take the game off your hard drive forever,
but first make a copy for his kid.

B. Inform him that you're planting a virus in the program
so that everyone who plays it on company time will get
reported to Human Resources.

C. Tell him that whatever he wants will have to wait until
you've finished the level.

There's a cush job opening in the mail department,
stuffing envelopes with free samples. It pays twice as
much as your current position. What do you do?

A. Meekly suggest to your boss that transferring you
might improve the morale of everyone who's been
working with you.

B. Politely ask your boss for a transfer and offer to split
the salary increase 50/50 with him.

C. Barge into your bosses office and demand reassignment
so that you, "Won't have to work under someone who
should have retired before he became a laughingstock."

When your boss throws a party and invites everyone in
the office except you, what do you do?

A. Stay home and watch 'I Love Lucy' reruns.

B. Show up at the party anyway, with a really expensive
bottle of wine and a briefcase full of small, unmarked bills.

C. Go over to your bosses house after everyone has left
and throw rocks at the windows, shouting obscenities.

Your boss criticizes your work unjustly; what do you do?

A. Listen politely, and then apologize.

B. Blame someone else.

C. Climb on top of your desk, and hold up a piece of paper
on which you've written the word "union."

When the CEO parks his car in your spot, you...

A. Wash and wax it, then leave your business card under
the windshield wiper.

B. Key it ... then tell the CEO's secretary you saw your boss
near it, loitering suspiciously.

C. Key it ... then proudly tell the CEO's secretary that you did it.

Your boss asks you to play Kooky the Clown for his kid's fifth
birthday party, what do you do?

A. Offer to pay for the costume rental and cake, too.

B. Agree to do it, then blackmail a co-worker into doing it
while pretending to be you.

C. Agree to do it, then show up as yourself and tell the
children that Kooky is dead.

The boss accuses you of not keeping the office clean; you...

A. Clean the office while he supervises.

B. Tell him that you delegated the job, then fire the underling
you supposedly gave the job to.

C. Clean the office again, but this time, you use your boss' face.

Scoring this test

Mostly A's: You have nothing to worry about. They'll never
fire you because you're a doormat.

Mostly B's: You're not just going to keep your job, with your
complete disregard for other peoples feelings, you'll positively
shoot up the ladder of success. Congratulations! You're a real jerk.

Mostly C's: You are a career kamikaze. The boss would have
fired you long ago, but he's terrified of what you might do.



People are like stained-glass windows.
They sparkle and shine when the sun is out,
but when the darkness sets in,
their true beauty is revealed only if there is a light from within.

---Elizabeth K|bler-Ross---


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