Issue No. 222 - Wednesday, October 8, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
Index to Today's Digest

01  RE: Hiddenite HELP!!
02  RE: Peridot Polishing?
03  RE: Nice glass to cut.
04  RE: What is a gemstone?
05  RE: Hiddenite HELP!!
06  RE: Hiddenite HELP!!

4 Messages forwarded from the Lapidary Digest Site
(these will be up all week)


Subject: Hiddenite is quite Expensive.
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:14:08 EDT
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: PANACHEGEMS@cs.com

As Dave said the only true Hiddenite comes from Hiddenite N. Carolina. I
watched a 1 lb. bag of small rough, 1-3 CT pieces sell about six years ago  go for
$8,000.00. The Dealer had had this bag for many years and had forgot he had
it, his Son found it while going through over a Million in rough & cut stones.
I have never cut Hiddenite but I have tried my hand at Kunzite, never again.


Subject: Re: Issue No. 221 - Polishing peridot
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:12:51 -0700
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Noel Rowe <noel@roughtocut.com>

> From: "Todd"
>  I'm having a hel* of a time getting a polish on this Peridot
> I'm working on.

Hi Todd,

I have polished quite a bit of peridot. I used to have problems with
scratching when I used oxide polishes but since I switched to the Batt
lap with 50k diamond the problems have all but disappeared. The secret
is keeping the swarf off the lap. Peridot seems to build up swarf rather
quickly & it will cause scratches. when it starts to build up I spray a
little WD40 on the lap & gently wipe it off with a paper towel. when
polishing slows down if the lap is clean I'll give it a spray or two of
50k to get it going again. With this approach peridot polishes as easily
as any other material. As fart as getting the oily film off the stone
try using either a piece of shammy or a coffee filter.



Subject: neat glasses to use for faceted stones
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:40:59 -0700
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: Barbara Smigel <bsmigel@cox.net>

One of my favorite "ites" is ModelTFordite also known as Desert Amethyst. My
husband who is an antique car collector, often brings me broken pieces of
headlamp glass from old cars that have turned a lovely purple shade from
exposure to ultraviolet light in our desert environment.  It looks kind of
like Rose d' France.

Barbara W. Smigel, PhD.
Graduate Gemologist, GIA
Artistic Colored Stones
840 S. Rancho Dr. #4387
Las Vegas, Nevada  89106
(702) 382-0694
website:  http://www.acstones.com
email:  bsmigel@cox.net


Hi Barbara, I don't know how I forgot that one. My grandmother
collected purple glass. It ranges from Rose d' France to "deep purple".
Short wave U.V. will darken it even more. My first stone was cut from
this material. I call it Thelmanite after her.



Subject: What is a Gemstone?
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:32:40 -0700
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Galarneau's" <gggemswcr@cox.net>

  My feelings on this run very deep because I feel so strongly that
lapidaries are making a big mistake.  We are following the lead of the
jewelry industry which will basically do anything or say anything to
sell an object.  Over the years I have expanded my definition of what is
a gemstone to include such stones as  agates, jaspers, apatitite,
zoisite, and a very long list.  What has changed in my definition of
what is a gemstone is the inclusion of physically fragile stones and
stones of low value.  I still have not modified my definition from that
the stone should be sufficiently rare in size to separate it from the
other 95% of the non-gemstone material mined, be very highly colored,
and be stable to most normal environmental influences.
  My reasons are simple. We as lapidaries need a description of the word
Gemstone that will allow us to attach value to both the material we work
with and the skill with which we work.  Whenever someone asks me about
one of my stones I tell them about the workmanship first  and the
quality of the stone second.  When I can combine workmanship and a
gemstone I can readily get a higher value.  People that buy these
special stones know that they will not just go to the next booth and
find a similar item. These are gemstones.
  All the rest of the stones that I cut are what I call jewelry grade
stones.  The only thing that separates them from the mass of other
stones on the market is the workmanship.  Workmanship by itself is much
more difficult to sell than workmanship plus gemstone material.
  As each year goes by I find jewelers and the public are less
knowledgeable about the grading of colored stones.  They are more
knowledgeable about the different kinds of stones and their
identification.  What they spent their money on is often a big surprise
when they take the item to an appraiser.
  What are your thoughts?  Otherwise we might as well dispose of the
term lapidary and call ourselves stone masons.

  Gerry Galarneau,  Three fall shows lurking ahead and not near enough
inventory ready.  Cut the rocks and enjoy the experience.


Subject: Re: Issue No. 221 - Tuesday, October 7, 2003
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 03:55:39 EDT
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Rocksinhed@aol.com

Subject: Re: Hiddenite
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:27:54 -0400 (EDT)
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: DaveWoolley@webtv.net (Dave Woolley)

Hi Dave Woolley

Thanks for all the advise on cutting Hiddenite
I guess I'm not rich :(     ........ You forgot step Six "GET A LOBOTOMY"
Thank you very much .... I will give it a shot and let you know what happens

Have a great day!

Jimmy Q   Rocksinhed@aol.com    or  Dinobones.com


Subject: cutting hiddenite
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:16:41 -0400
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: "Frank lavin" <nival42@hotmail.com>

My mentor Mr Jerry Call advised me when cutting hiddenite or kunzite, to not
cut the culet to a point with the cutting lap as more times than not, this
is when the stone will split.  His advise is to polish in the culet.  He has
a 99% success ratio doing it this way.



Hale receives questions from time to time and I have agreed to
handle them via the list. If any member can help any of these
folks please respond to them directly as they are not yet members.
Remember to copy the list for the information archives.

Thx. Thurmond

From: Duckfarm7979@aol.com
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 2:57 PM
Subject: Message from Website

Am looking for a dig site in the san antonio or south texas area to take my grandson
to.  Dont know where to look.  He is a budding rockhound and would like to look for
minerals and gemstones.  Can you help direct me?
                        Peggie J. Shinn
                         Duckfarm7979 @aol.com


From: Rick Harris  bluecloud115@hotmail.com
Subject: Message from Web Site

Hi I have been emailing Ashish Jain one of your advertisers at the address listed in
the ad ash.jain@pmail.net and I always get a failure delivery notice when sending.
Can you please give me a phone number or give my email address to Ashish. I need the
agate dyes being advertised. Thanks Rick


From: "Carol Roush" <cjroush@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:31 PM
Subject: Rock Polisher

Dear Sir:
I have been on a quest to find a source to purchase a
polishing kit to use on a large collection of Petoskey
stones that I have accumlated over the years.  So far,
I haven't had any luck.  Your web site was suggested
and since you have an e-mail address, I thought I'd
write to you.

Can you suggest a catalog, or other source, that might
have the equipment I would like.  My father had a
small electric tumbler/polisher many years ago and I
thought finding one would be easy!!  Any information
you may have, would be appreciated.  Also, if you
don't know of any source, or don't believe there is
one, let me know and I'll discontinue my search.

Wayne Roush


From: yolly lee
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:56 AM

Dear Sir,
I am looking for suppliers of dyeing chemicals used to color agate stones.
Do you have any source for these coloring material or could you help us
find suppliers?
We anticipate your immediate reply.

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