Issue No. 220 - Monday, October 6, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
Hi all,

Good list today.

Today's digest contains a new section
that incluldes messages sent to the old Lapidary Digest
site. These folks have been issued an invitation to join
our list but need help with lapidary issues as current
non-members. Please contact them directly if you can help
but be sure to copy the list so the answers to their questions
can be archived.


Index to Today's Digest

01  RE: Solid Black Facet Rough
02  RE: Solid Black Facet Rough
03  RE: Solid Black Facet Rough
04  RE: Solid Black Facet Rough
05  RE: Solid Black Facet Rough
06  RE: Solid Black Facet Rough
07  RE: What is a Gemstone?
08  NEW: Hiddenite HELP!!
09  WTB: Ultra Sonic Drill
10  NEW: breweryite!


4 Messages forwarded from the Lapidary Digest Site


Subject: RE: Solid Black Facet Rough
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:49:05 -0500
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: James Carpenter <jamesc@unconventionallapidarist.com>

You can also cut Black Tourmaline (schorl). It makes very nice stones.

We have cut cabs out of it. I haven't faceted any.

- james carpenter -


Subject: Solid Black Facet Rough?
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 05:28:11 +1000
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Reg Hodges <rghodges@bigpond.com>

In reply to Todd's question about solid black rough.

 I have just had exactly the same enquiry (eerie huh!!!!) and have decided to
do it in spinel.  It is easy to cut, polishes well and is DIRT cheap!
Quick too when you only have to cut the crowns. 

 After cutting the crown I am transferring the stone using my transfer jig
and then cutting a flat pavilion at 0 degrees (as for a table) just as if it
were a cab.  Not forgetting to chamfer the edge on the pav side at 45
degrees to avoid chipping.  Best not to polish the bottom of the stone as
you can then use epoxy or such to fix it in the finding.

 Lady in question asked me to just cut a stone for a ring, which I did in
checker board pattern round.  Then she finally finds the antique necklace
and earrings which have OVAL stones and wants it to match.  No probs! Since
the spinel cost me $0!!!!!  Its all good practice!!!!!!


Reg Hodges  (in sunny Queensland...perfect one day...MAGIC the next!!!)


Subject: Black Gemstone
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:55:27 -0500
To: "'LapidaryArtsDigest'" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "ssynn" <ssynn@ev1.net>

There is a Black CZ on the market.


Subject: Black Mineral
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:17:12 -0400
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Peter In Maine" <kulaczp@pivot.net>

We have plenty of schorl tourmaline in Maine but let it be known that less
than 1 percent of that may be cabbing or facet grade..Good hard schorl is
not easy to come by.  My son and I got into some pocket schorl 2 weeks ago
at Mt.Apatite .Aurburn Maine...  First hard stuff I found there in 4
years....When I cut it all the water turned dark blue.......Well you see now
all that looks black might not be black....It is wonderful stuff to work
with and takes a great polish...I have purchased some beautiful completely
terminated schorl crystals from Brazil........now these are really hard and
glassy....AND BLACK...

Peter...........first frost last night ........


Subject: Solid Black Facet Rough
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 14:39:18 -0300
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Robert <robertplowejr@uol.com.br>

04 October 2003

 >I'm going to dop up a small piece of the (black) tourmaline
 >I've got and see how it cuts/polishes. I was thinking of waiting
 >until I heard back from the digest in case it'll ruin my laps
 >cutting >this material, but I guess I'll know sooner rather
 >than later.

You should probably do well in faceting the black (schorl)
tourmaline. It seems to be in fashion here in Brasil and we
have seen a lot of jewelry made with it, in faceted stones.

You will probably use the same laps and powders etc. that
you would use for green tourmaline. At least here in Brasil
- nothing is changed due to the color of the tourmaline.

You may have to experiment a bit with the black tourmaline
as there are varieties that don't facet well and 'crumble'.

The variety that is usually faceted here in Brasil is
called 'quebra lisa' (smooth break).

We have made up fancy shaped cabochons out of the 'quebra lisa'
tourmaline and tried the USA market - but the jewelers seemed
to not appreciate the difference from dyed black onyx as the
price of the tourmaline was a good bit more - but it does take
a very nice polish.

At the recent shows in Brasil we saw several people doing
carvings in the 'quebra lisa' tourmaline also. Mostly animals
and fish. And of course there is the metaphysical aspect of
it - which is supposed to be good for something or other
(I think it prevents migraine headaches - or at least that
was the reason my wife wanted a naturally terminated crystal)

Best regards,
Robert Lowe
Lowe Associates - Brasil
Gemstones, Rough, Specimens
Tucson - February 5 - 10, 2004 - GJX # 205
e-mail: USA    <robertplowejr@juno.com> February 2004
e-mail: Brasil <robertplowejr@uol.com.br


Subject: re: solid black facet rough
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 14:09:04 -0500
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Carol Carter-Wientjes" <lavenderfish@cox.net>

Maybe try black diopside? New Era Gems (www.neweragems.com) has this
material and looks like it has potential. No experience with it personally,
just noticed it and thought I'd pass it along.

Best of luck, Carol


Subject: Re: What is a Gemstone??
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 18:34:41 -0400
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "Douglas Turet" <anotherbrightidea@hotmail.com>

Hi Gerry,
     I seem to recall that one of either Paul DeSautels' or Joel Arem's
books or my old GIA Colored Stone textbook (all of which, granted, more than
a quarter-century old, at this point), defined the word, "Gem" as being any
object which possessed beauty, rarity and durability (the latter of which I
interpret to mean "sufficient durability to enable frequent wear"). Even
after all these years, I've yet to read or hear a better definition. The
neat thing about this definition -- or, at least, my interpretation of it --
is that it permits me to feel good about applying it to such untraditional,
yet perfectly wearable goodies as the
Rutilated-Quartz-over-plasticized-curly-maple and/or
Asteriated-Rose-Quartz-over-Agatized-Pyrite doublets I sometimes assemble,
which are every bit as rare and durable, and considerably more attractive
than many of the so-called "traditional gems" I've seen in dealers' cases,
through the years!
     Maybe that's part of the deal, Gerr': interpretation of that which is
beautiful, or rare, or durable. After all how much rarer would Diamonds be
than fine Amethysts, if neither's markets were artificially controlled by
suppliers? And which would be more durable, a $250,000.00 Diamond or a $4.00
slab of mutton fat Jadeite, if the two were suddenly smacked against one
another in a cold room? Perhaps the old adage about beauty being in the eye
of the beholder lends more than an inkling of insight into the quandary of
arriving at a more concise definition. When you stop to think about it,
since beauty, rarity and durability are all very relative properties -- that
is, not even one of them can ever stand alone as a purely "factual"
adjective of anything, save for by comparison to other items -- it makes
sense to question the validity of a hard-and-fast definition or three, every
now and then. If and when you manage to arrive at one you feel comfortable
with, please take a moment to email the list again, and share it. Until

Best regards,
Doug Turet


Subject: Re: Issue No. 218 - Thursday, October 2, 2003
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 23:40:07 EDT
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Rocksinhed@aol.com

Hi Folks

 First I must thank the list for all the help I have recieved and Thurmond
for keeping up the digest!  THANKS!

 I recently saw a cut Hiddenite and loved it! So I bought a kilo .... Now I
find out that that it cleaves on two planes and they are at 90 degrees to each
other ...... AAAHH  HELP!
 How do I orient it and does anyone have any great designs that would work
with this type of material?

 Thanks ..... Have a great day!

 Jimmy Quigley

 Rocksinhed@aol.com  or   www.Dinobones.com     


Subject: Looking to purchase a Ultra Sonic Drill
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 00:03:02 -0700
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Shadetree Designs" <Shadetreedesigns@pacbell.net>

We are a jewelry supply business operating in Los Angeles, Ca.   We are
looking to acquire/purchase a ultrasonic drill for out Jewelry and lapidary
business. We are having a hard time locating vendors/manufactures,
specifications, maintenance cost,spares, etc.of these tools. Do any of your
readers have knowledge of vendors who sell these tools and/or had experience
using and maintaining a ultrasonic drill. Does any one recommend or had
experience with a particular manufacture hardware.
We cut custom cabs and beads, we are looking for a fast , easy way to make
holes in hard material.
Any comments, info, or advice would be appreciated greatly, as I'm stumbling
around in the dark on this one.

Thanks in advance for any assistance

       ShadeTree Designs
  Christine and James Hislop
     8726 S. Sepulveda
      Suite D Box B234
Los Angeles,Ca 90045-4082=20


Subject: breweryite!
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:38:52 -0700
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "b-daw" <b-daw@pacbell.net>

greetings everybody!
i have been reading old mining tales and i wanted to share a factoid
from one of the stories.  these stories originated in the early 1900's
when all the good stuff was being mined.  it seems when cut garnets were
sold, they were salted with "breweryite!"  does anybody recollect what
breweryite is?......
well, seems that the brown beer bottles where about the same exact color
as some of the garnets that were being cut and sold and so, the parcel
was salted with cut brown glass!
so cal
Patty Miklik

Web:    www.gemstonesource.com


Hi Patty, I have breweryite in black, golden brown, green and even red. LOL



Hale receives questions from time to time and I have agreed to
handle them via the list. If any member can help any of these
folks please respond to them directly as they are not yet members.
Remember to copy the list for the information archives.

Thx. Thurmond

From: Duckfarm7979@aol.com
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 2:57 PM
Subject: Message from Website

Am looking for a dig site in the san antonio or south texas area to take my grandson
to.  Dont know where to look.  He is a budding rockhound and would like to look for
minerals and gemstones.  Can you help direct me?
                        Peggie J. Shinn
                         Duckfarm7979 @aol.com


From: Rick Harris  bluecloud115@hotmail.com
Subject: Message from Web Site

Hi I have been emailing Ashish Jain one of your advertisers at the address listed in
the ad ash.jain@pmail.net and I always get a failure delivery notice when sending.
Can you please give me a phone number or give my email address to Ashish. I need the
agate dyes being advertised. Thanks Rick


From: "Carol Roush" <cjroush@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:31 PM
Subject: Rock Polisher

Dear Sir:
I have been on a quest to find a source to purchase a
polishing kit to use on a large collection of Petoskey
stones that I have accumlated over the years.  So far,
I haven't had any luck.  Your web site was suggested
and since you have an e-mail address, I thought I'd
write to you.

Can you suggest a catalog, or other source, that might
have the equipment I would like.  My father had a
small electric tumbler/polisher many years ago and I
thought finding one would be easy!!  Any information
you may have, would be appreciated.  Also, if you
don't know of any source, or don't believe there is
one, let me know and I'll discontinue my search.

Wayne Roush


From: yolly lee
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:56 AM

Dear Sir,
I am looking for suppliers of dyeing chemicals used to color agate stones.
Do you have any source for these coloring material or could you help us
find suppliers?
We anticipate your immediate reply.

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