Issue No. 127 - Monday May 12, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
From the Moderator:

Good list today. Keep those post coming in !!

Index to Today's Digest

01  WTB: Boulder Opal doublets
02  RE: Saw blade questions.
03  NEW: ultimate rockhounding?
04  NEW: Interesting customer problem
05  NEW: cool gem series
06  AD: Dealers! Super New Rough Deals
07  AD: Facet machine for sale


Subject: Boulder Opal doublets
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:04:26 -0500
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "MR" <rugroden@attbi.com>

Does anyone have a source of boulder opal doublets?  Need a small but
steady supply.

Precison Faceting Co.


Subject: Saw Blades
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 15:42:26 -0700
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Webb Long <webblong@mindspring.com>

Phil, I have purchased 10" & smaller blades from Daniel Lopaci Co. Although
I do no commercial cutting, have found them quite satisfactory.  Also have
purchased laps from him. He is pleasant, ships expeditiously and last but
not least, his prices are right.   Webb


Subject: ultimate rockhounding?
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 09:32:45 -0500
From: Downey <alckytxn@swbell.net>



Subject: Interesting problem
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:00:47 -0400
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: R W <wntrhill@somtel.com>

Hi Everyone -

Have run into an interesting problem that I would appreciate any
insights into from the community out there -

I bought a nice piece of emerald rough slightly less than 4 cts (cost
appx $300) from a very reputable dealer and list member whom I've done
business with before and am very happy with -

Cut a very nice pear shape stone with a finished weight of slightly less
than 1 ct and hand made a 14K gold tiffany style setting for the stone -

Sold it to a gentleman who gave it to his wife as a gift -

She had it "appraised" at a "jeweler" who said it was not a very good
quality emerald and that the entire ring was only worth $160 -

Needless to say I have one very unhappy client - I offered to take it
back and return his $'s - but he said no it was a gift -

???? How do you deal with something like this ????

All inputs appreciated and I'll wait till I hear from you all before I
make my own comments about "jewelers" doing appraisals -

(living in Maine with one unhappy client)


Subject: cool gem series
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 00:18:13 -0500
From: Downey <alckytxn@swbell.net>

Discovery Channel Gemstone Series
  From: sinico@nbnet.nb.ca (H.Durstling)

Hi Folks,

     Some of you may recall my postings some two years ago now asking
     Orchid members for information and pointers to gem resources and gem
     people in what was then the research phase of a seven part television
     series on precious stone for the Candian Discovery Channel.

     To recap a little, it is more than five years ago now since I first
     originated and wrote up the concept. After undergoing the whole
     catalogue of vicissitudes - submission, rejection with compliments,
     modification, re-submission, conditional acceptance in pilot form,
     funding difficulties, more re-submission - the outcome at the end of
     the rainbow is a seven part series, shortly to be broadcast.

     If you have access to the Canadian Discovery Channel, here are the
     intended broadcast times:

     Thursday, June 5, 2003 at 9:00pm: "Topaz of Brazil"

     Thursday, June 26, 2003 at 9:00pm: "Green Fever: The Colombian

     Thursday, July 3, 2003 at 9:00pm: "Synthesizing the Stone"

     Thursday, July 10, 2003 at 9:00pm: "Treasure of the Outback"

     Thursday, July 24, 2003 at 9:00pm: "The Gem of Life"

     Thursday, August 14, 2003 at 9:00pm: "Birth of a Gem"

     The series will air on Thursday nights at 9:00pm and will be
     re-broadcast the following Fridays at 1:00am, 10:00am and 4:00pm and
     on the following Mondays at 1:00pm.  These are the latest dates given
     to the producer by Discovery Channel and are subject to change
     without notice. One episode, dealing with the rubies and sapphires of
     Sri Lanka, was broadcast already earlier in the winter.

Hans Durstling
Moncton, Canada


Subject: Advertisement -Dealers! Super New Rough Deals @ WWW.MINEDIRECT.COM
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 22:01:16 -0400
To: , <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Farooq Hashmi" <Chat@IntimateGems.Com>

Hiya List Members!

This is our latest email for all those hungry for new Rough Deals!

Hiya Dealer!

We hope you are well and business is good!

We have been pretty busy going through tons of rough getting it ready to be
listed on our website. In the process we have sold off a significant portion
of it directly to clients that had made some special requests; however, we
have plenty to list and we're confident you will have a nice adventure
surfing through our new listings. We are pleased to have put together our
first emailing containing African Rough and we will hopefully continue to
add additional African material to diversify our rough holdings in the near

We are pleased to announce updates to our site with significant additions
and are dropping you an email for first dibs on new rough listings as a
member of our New Rough Email Newsletter. The following is a link to a
temporary page on our site where all our newest deals are listed:

Please note that all our offerings are available on a first come basis. We
have about 25+ deals on the page and these will be incorporated into our
website after 24-48 hours. You are being granted a preview and first buying
rights prior to the site being updated as a member of our email newsletter!

Thanks for your time and I do hope you enjoy the new listings! Please feel
free to email us with any feedback as it is always greatly appreciated!

Most of you have been included on this list because you have specifically
requested access to the Dealer's section; however, we have included a few
additional people whom either expressed interest in, or whom we believe
would benefit significantly from, the products listed on this site.

Should you have any questions or comments or need any additional assistance
please don't hesitate to contact us at Sales@MineDirect.Com!

Much Thanks
Farooq Hashmi
Intimate Gems
P. O. Box 310668
Jamaica, NY 11431
(718) 658-0792


Subject: Facet machine for sale
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:10:27 +0700
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Datu Ken J." <datuken@bkk.loxinfo.co.th>

Hi Thurmond: (Am I doing this the right way?)

I would like to post a brand new Graves Mark IV faceting machine, which
includes their accessory package plus other following new items that I
will include in the price:

Anyone interested can check the Graves on line site for pictures,
pricing and the list of items that are included with the package:

Graves Mark IV complete package:       $1295.oo
220 Volt export model

My inclusions are:
(All items are 8")
1pc Ceramic Lap                         $120.oo
1pc Last Lap                             $ 78.oo
1pc Phenolic lap                          $ 41.oo
1pc Nu Bond (325 grit)                  $112.oo
1 Professional Dop Set                   $ 75.oo =20
Index Plates (set of 7)                  $125.oo

Total:                                   $551.oo
Grand total:                            $1846.oo

(I'll also pack some misc. items at no charge; be surprised)

I'll take $1300.oo for everything and I will pay the freight to the

Payment: A Money order made payable to "World Mining (Thailand) Co.,
Ltd." or a bank transfer to my bank. Please contact me for details or
any questions regarding the unit.

Comments: This is a brand new unit that has never been used. The machine
was taken out of the box when it arrived and we assembled it to make
sure all the parts fit, we also ran the motor a few minutes to make sure
that worked. After the test we repacked everything as we received it and
put it back in the same box.

There is no problem to use this unit in the U.S. Many of the air
conditioners require 220v and this voltage has become common place both
at work and home. However if you want to run the unit on 110V, a fast
trip to a Radio Shack or some shop similar and they will fix you up with
an inexpensive step up unit for conversion.

The reason for the sale is that I have cut back on expansion plans until
a more reasonable business climate once again prevails in Asia. I have a
few more new units that I'm keeping for the inevitable day of blue skies
or whatever. I think most of you know that head/mast machines are not
popular in Asia and I'm one of the few cutting houses that has even made
an attempt to bring these new kind of units into use. Old habits die
hard and even when my cutters see the better polishing results that can
be achieved with the new units, they still shyly want to go back to what
they are familiar with, which is a hand held index. Ultimately I will
succeed and convert all the cutters (ha ha) to the new units until they
are as comfortable with them as they are with the old way. The few
cutters using my other Graves units are showing the way to better
results and touching the pride of workmanship of the other cutters. We
have a few of the older cutters that will never change, but that's OK as
the quality of the work from these experienced veterans is something to
behold. I'm concentrating on the younger guys who can improve their
skills faster with the new units. Oh well, they say Rome wasn't built in
a day.

Regards to all

Datu Ken
Bangkok, Thailand

Datu Kenneth Janczak,  Bangkok, Thailand
Tel/Fax/Mes.Ctr:  + (66 2) 573 7669
Mobile: + (66  6) 050 5473      24/7
U.S. Fax No:  (775) 860 3568
"Love all, Serve all"


Presented by the Faceters Guild of Southern California
at the combined AFMS/CFMS Seaside GEMboree Show
Ventura, CA.  June 6, 7, 8, 2003.
Enter through the main gates of the Gem Show at the Ventura Fairgrounds.  There
will be a Symposium staff member at the gate with a sign....to direct you to the
very large Santa Cruz Hall building located at the far left-hand side of the
Fairgrounds property.  The GEMboree starts at ten each morning, but our Symposium
attendees can enter at nine, where our speaker-presentations start at 9:30 each
FRIDAY, June 6
9:00 am  Registration.  Symposium doors open.
9:30 am  GLENN KLEIN.  Welcome introduction remarks.
9:40 am  STEVE ULATOWSKI.  The head of New Era Gems travels almost constantly to
gem mine areas of the World.  His company supplies much of the great faceting
rough that all Faceters want.  We will hear about some of the trials and
tribulations of going to the gem mine areas.
Ten minute stretch break.
10:50 am  RALPH MATHEWSON.  This award-winning Australian IFC Competition facetor
will give a presentation on his unique and non-subjective method of fairly
scoring the work of all competition Faceters.  His system removes the problem of
judges who are biased.
12:00 noon  Lunch Break.
1:00 pm  ART KAVAN.  "The Basics of Competition Cutting and the Use of Mechanical
and Optical Aids," is the title.  This award winning team member in the
Australian IFC Competition will give us information on understanding the basics
of cutting an excellent/or competition gemstone.
Ten minute stretch break.
2:10 pm  ROBERT STRICKLAND.  The man who has made it possible for many Faceters
to become facet-cut designers will give a presentation about his latest and well
received Windows version of Gemcad.
3:10 pm  Symposium speaker presentations end for the day.  The HOSPITALITY HOUR
begins at 6:00 pm.
6:00 to 7:30 pm  HOSPITALITY HOUR in our Symposium building.  Sponsored by the
Ultra Tec company, the Facetron company, and Don Roberts/Poly-Metric OMF concave
faceting equipment.  Hors d'Oeuvres and courtesy bar (one free drink) provided.  
Meet the speakers and your fellow faceters from across the country.
9:00 am  Symposium doors open.
9:30 am  JONATHAN (Gearloose) ROLFE.  This amazing man will discuss the
construction and performance of his unique cutting and polishing laps.  His BATT
lap is taking over in the faceting world because of its ability to do an
outstanding job of polishing facets.
Ten minute stretch break.
10:40 am  THOMAS CHATHAM.  The son of discoverer Carroll Chatham is the current
President and director of Chatham Created Gems.  Tom will let us in on some of
the facts surrounding the methods and events that have made it possible for
Chatham to be the leader in the art and science of Created Gems since 1938, when
father Chatham created the first laboratory grown gem quality emerald.
11:40 am  Break for the Awards Luncheon set up.
12:15 pm  AWARDS LUNCHEON in our Symposium building.  A great lunch is supplied
as we learn who the winners are of the NOVICE, ADVANCED, MASTERS, and BEAUTIFUL
GEM contests.  Meet our speakers and find out what part of the country that
facetor sitting next to you comes from. 
1:40 pm  DR. ANTHONY (Tony) KAMPF.  The curator of Gems and Minerals at the
Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County has guided many trips to various gem
areas of the World.  He will tell us about his favorite destination, the State of
Minas Gerais in Brazil.
Ten minute stretch break.
2:50 pm  EWING EVANS.  "KISS, Keep It Simple, Stupid," is the title.   This three
time individual top scoring competition Facetor of the World will give a
presentation about what he knows better than anyone else....how to POLISH a
competition gemstone.
3:50 pm  Symposium ends for the day.
SUNDAY, June 8.
9:00 am  Symposium doors open.
9:30 am  BOB LONG.  "Facet Design Before GemCad" is Bob's presentation title. 
This co-author of many books about facet cut designs will share some of his
wealth of knowledge with our attendees.  He is sure to please all of those
present at the Symposium.
Ten minute stretch break.
10:40 am  PANEL OF EXPERTS.  Our special guest FRED VAN SANT will join other
members of our speaker roster to answer questions and discuss subjects raised by
the Symposium attendees.
12:00 noon  GLENN KLEIN.  Closing remarks.  Symposium ends.
1:00 pm  UNITED STATES FACETERS GUILD general meeting.  ART KAVAN will chair a
gathering of USFG members and anyone else who is interested.  This meeting will
be held in the Symposium building.









PERSONALS: (General Lapidary and Faceting)






Lurking is fine, but participation is better for learning !
Post something from your experiences in gemcutting today!


Subject: Funny ???
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 15:40:52 -0300
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Robert <robertplowejr@uol.com.br>

Redneck Medical Terms

Artery:         The study of paintings.
Bacteria:       Back door to cafeteria.
Barium:         What doctors do when patients die.
Benign:         What you be after you be eight.
Catscan:        Searching for Kitty.
Cauterize:      Made eye contact with her.
Cesarean:       Section A neighborhood in Rome.
Colic:          A sheep dog.
Coma:           A punctuation mark.
D&C:            Where Washington is.
Dilate:         To live long.
Enema:          Not a friend.
Fester:         Quicker than someone else.
Fibula:         A small lie.
Genital:        Non-Jewish person.
G.I.Series:     World Series of military baseball.
Hangnail:       What you hang your coat on.
Impotent:       Distinguished, well known.
Labor Pain:     Getting hurt at work.
Medical Staff:      A Doctor's cane.
Morbid:         A higher offer than I bid.
Nitrates:       Cheaper than day rates.
Node:           I knew it.
Outpatient:     A person who has fainted.
Ovaries:        You get to try again.
Pap Smear:      A fatherhood test.
Pelvis:         Second cousin to Elvis.
Post Operative:     A letter carrier.
Recovery Room:      Place to do upholstery.
Rectum:         Pretty near killed him.
Secretion:      Hiding something.
Seizure:        Roman emperor.
Tablet:         A small table.
Terminal Illness:   Getting sick at the airport.
Tumor:          More than one.
Urine:          Opposite of you're out.
Varicose:       Near by/close by.



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No one else can find it for you.

---Bjorn Borg---


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