Issue No. 122 - Monday May 5, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
From the Moderator:

Technically correct cutting.

I heard an interesting comment on TV this weekend.
If a stone is to be sold for use in Jewelry the "ONLY"
thing that matters is Face UP Optical performance. This statement
seems to make a lot of sense to me since most consumers
know NOTHING about meetpoints. What does the membership
think about this statement?

Index to Today's Digest

01  RE: Facetron Evaluation
02  NEW: Facetting machines for concave cutting
03  RE: Facetron Evaluation
04  NEW: Faceters Symposium 2003
05  RE: Facetron Evaluation
06  NEW: Running Datavue under Windows XP


Subject: Facetron Evaluation (long)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 03:19:24 -0400
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com, rockpeddler@attbi.com
From: "Douglas Turet" <anotherbrightidea@hotmail.com>

Dear list readers,

     I'd like to start by saying that I have a great deal of respect for
Jeanne and Rob Ridolfi, consider them both long-time friends in the trade,
and often call them for their supplies and/or roughs. I'd also like to
mention that when I began my last posting, I'd mentioned that there are only
a scant few absolute "wrongs" or "rights" in this field, and opinions of
those in the field are only rarely among them. As I'd also pointed out, in
one of my comments --

"...to illustrate a point: at least as many awards have been won on one
manufacturer's machines as another... So, in some cases, does (gulp)
Facetron, apparently, since several great cutters own and use them."

-- there _are_, indeed, those who love the Facetron and who have been
fortunate enough to receive good ones for their money. In fact, if I'm not
mistaken, some of the faceters whose work I respect most in the world,
including Art Kavan, Art Grant and Carl Unruh, own and love their Facetrons
(as does Jeanne's husband, Rob), and they've all done some extremely fine
work on them. And, lastly, I think I'd made the point that it can become a
little tough to separate the emotional aspects of the opinions we come to
form about those pieces of equipment we come to either rely upon or
recognize, viscerally, that we cannot.
     My experientially-based opinion of the Facetron, unfortunately, falls
into that latter category; not only because of the fact that it went so far
out of calibration so very many times in such a short span of time as to be
considered practically useless, or that its slippages cost me so many carats
of fine rough (which needed to be recut, to salvage anything salable from
them), and not only because of the fact that I'd had to essentially go out
of business and twiddle my thumbs for a week, each time I'd had to send it
away for recalibration (in order to make it accurate enough for a few weeks'
usage, when it returned). No, in my case, the reasons for what I'll
diplomatically call my "extremely intense level of dislike" for both the
machine and the man who built and repeatedly recalibrated it _also_ include
the fact that he had the nerve to abusively berate me (over the phone) that
I was "too stupid to know what you've got there" and that "an ignoramus
sometimes just doesn't know that he's an ignoramus, until someone informs
him of it", and (in his final letter, when he finally refunded my money)
"you just didn't know that you didn't know".
     At the time, I was struggling _desperately_ to build a business out of
my home, with far too little investment capital, the usual beginners' buying
mistakes, skyrocketing bills (including the monthly installments for a
business startup loan), and a wife who was newly-stricken with severe
recurring/relapsing Multiple Sclerosis. The primary source for my stress was
watching my wife's health fail, and knowing that, just a few seasons down
the road, my income as a lapidary business owner would have to support the
two of us, since she would no longer be capable of earning a living. So,
when that "fine piece of lapidary equipment" cost me my sleep and my
stomach's lining (in the form of recurring ulcers), then repeatedly caused
me to be days or weeks late on urgent new and repair jobs and actually cost
me other jobs, entirely, because the opportunities arrived at times when the
Facetron was either so far out of whack as to be unusable, or en route to
California or en route back home, I lost income, I lost customers, I lost my
reputation, and was nearly driven out of business, completely! Were it not
for meeting Joe Rubin at the February Tucson Show that happened 11 months
after buying the Facetron, I would have had no recourse but to file for
bankruptcy the next quarter, no if's and's or but's, and as it was, it took
a decade of struggling and living in poverty to overcome the losses suffered
in that first year. In light of this, do you really still think my previous
statement was anywhere near "way over the top"? I think it may have been
closer to the opposite extreme.
     And while it may very well be true that the Facetron's sensor-wire was
easily repaired by anyone who had the tools and the mechanical background to
repair it, that kind of finicky gadget was not what I'd been repeatedly led
to believe I would receive, when I'd forked-over my recently-won
shoestring-loan money for it. Instead, Norm Jarvi had fed me his
well-rehearsed lines to the effect that I could expect 'decades of
trouble-free service and aerospace-quality accuracy' in exchange for that
money. Instead of that, I frequently found myself squinting at the machine
in the wee hours of the night, straining to hold a 45* square and a
bubble-level against the quill with my left hand (without further bending
that cockamamie wire), then cranking the little handle with my right hand to
get the bubble over the left hand centered, then reading the number shown on
the little odometer-guage on the right, and finally adding or subtracting
numbers into the calculator, to get to where I estimated 45* should be, so I
could re-calculate all of the meetpoint diagrams in the Long & Steele books
I'd used to train myself on, in hopes of getting that day's repairs done in
time to deliver them, the next morning! I'm not exaggerating in the least
when I say that trying to build a business upon that machine drove me to
exhaustion, and frequently left me either muttering or shouting obscenities
over yet stones botched, only because the settings which had been so
accurate, the day before, were now so far out that some facets, polished on
a ceramic lap, ended up curved from top to bottom.

     Now, a decade-and-a-half later, many things have changed in this world.
I have no knowledge of, or feelings either for or against Mr. Jeff Jarvi or
his company, and don't know a thing about the inner workings or new dial
indicators on the Facetrons he currently manufactures. As a matter of fact,
for all I know, he and they may both be absolutely wonderful to work with,
absolutely reliable and absolutely everything the man and machine I knew
were not. But, after having tried many a piece of equipment in the years
since cutting my first cabochons and faceted stones, and having either owned
or had the opportunity to cut on various types of machines by Lee, Raytech,
Graves, Prismatic, Ultra Tec, American, B&I, ADM, Poly-Metric, Hi-Tech,
Facetron, some of the Chinese import Lee-type machines, a crude jam-peg and
several gorgeous home-builts, including our own Jonathan Rolfe's
mind-bendingly good "Revision X", there's only one I really couldn't
recommend to anyone, under any circumstance, and that's a shame... but it's
the way it is. If I've ruffled some feathers, I'll only offer a muffled
apology that those feathers were ruffled, but please don't ask for an iota's
worth of remorse for what was said that ruffled them in the first place,
until you've rowed a mile in my dinghy, with that gilt-anodized albatross as
your intermittent company. You may not always like or agree with what I have
to say, but at least have some respect for the experiences that led to it.
     Like I'd said, no rights, no wrongs, just experiences and opinions. Now
you know a little bit more about where mine developed, and are free to go
off and develop your own.

Best Regards,

Douglas Turet, GJ
Turet Design
P. O. Box 162
Arlington, MA 02476, U.S.A.
Tel. (617) 325-5328
Fax: (928) 222-0815
Email: anotherbrightidea@hotmail.com


Subject: Facetting machines for concave cutting
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 07:21:47 -0400
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Tyler Allen" <t.allen@mindspring.com>

What would be everyones choice for a machine that would beused for
cutting both flat facets and concave.  This machine would be used for
production cutting of both of the types mentioned above.


Subject: Facetron
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 20:41:07 +0300
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "birdamlasu" <fob@birdamlasu.com>

Dear friends,
I completely disagree with Doug in one thing it is that I am very
fortunate to meet Jarvis Facetron. I cannot compare machines because I
only used Facetron. The sensor needle is very sensitive and I was maybe
a little bit rough. It started to rattle. I emailed Jarvis and they
explained me what to do and also they sent me right away a new needle.
Since then I am very happy with the machine. Whenever I need help Jarvis
answer right away, they are so gentle people.

I am deeply saddened to read about Norman Jarvi's passing away. I offer
my condolences to Jarvis family .

Kind regards from Turkey,
Oya Borahan


Subject: Faceters Symposium 2003
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 15:19:34 -0700 (PDT)
To: LAPIDARY ARTS & FACETERS DIGEST <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: Glenn Klein <glennklein@yahoo.com>

Hi All: At the Faceters Symposium 2003 meeting a couple of days ago, the staff
decided to add another competition along with our Novice, Advanced, and Masters
competitions.  This added competition will be the MY BEAUTIFUL GEM contest.
Anyone who attends the Faceters Symposium 2003 is encouraged to bring what they
believe is their most beautiful gem.  The winner will be decided by all of those
who attend the Symposium.  Since this is a FUN competition, the staff came up
with some wild and crazy rules.  Please read on with an open mind. MY BEAUTIFUL
GEM contestPresented by the Faceters Guild of Southern CaliforniaAt the Symposium
in Ventura, CA June 6, 7, 8, 2003. RULES, GUIDELINES & STUFF IN GENERAL. 1.  This
contest is of a highly competitive nature.  We also have bridges for sale.   Bring
one of your gems and learn how to vote! 2.  ENTRY:  Open to all attending our
symposium.  You must have cut the stone, not passed it. 3.  DESIGN:   Present your
personal best, or least ugly...excluding spousal opinion. 4.  STONE:  May be of
any natural or synthetic material.  Man-made does not include gall or kidney
stones.  The stone must be capable of passing and reflecting light.  If cut so
badly to prevent either, that is still OK. 5.  SIZE:  Minimum of two carats is
nice, especially since our aging judging community cannot see much anymore. 
Maximum size stone is determined by what the load bearing capacity of our display
case can handle. 6.  ESSAY:  Listen up.  Please provide a 25 word or less essay
on why this is your most beautiful gem.  Did it keep you up nights cutting it? 
Wow, was it cut for someone special?  It came to you in a vision?  If you cannot
write an essay, just put an X in the proper box on your entry form when you
present your gem.  We will assume you cannot write, at least in English, or that
you picked the gem up during a trip to the local pawnshop....then returned home
yelling "see what I made!"  If your gem is cut so badly, please enter it anyway. 
You will probably continue to be a loser.  But, you will have lots of company. 7.
 BEAUTY:  This can be in the cut design, the effort made, or the story behind
your masterpiece.  Give us your best even if the meets do not meet, the girdle
sags, the pavilion is a grocery store, and/or the crown does not fit.  We will
understand and stand behind you all the way.  Well, maybe if someone is looking
we will quietly walk away shaking our heads, mumbling something unintelligible.
8.  JUDGING:  With our legal system....yeah right.  Get a grip, everyone in
attendance for the symposium will have a voice with his or her votes.  All
together our voices will join in harmony and sound absolutely awful.  Please do
not ask to borrow any judges red-tipped walking cane.  They are reserved for
those blind people.   9.  BALLOTS:  Each contest gem will be numbered and
displayed in our case.  Voters will enter two different numbers on the ballot
form.  The form will be included in your registration packet.  We look at little
stones all the time, so write big.  Because we know that you will just vote for
your own gem if given the chance, we will keep you and the other voters from
cheating by checking the numbers entered, to see that they are of two different
votes.  Our supervisor voting person will then deposit your votes in our high
state of the art voting booth Starbucks coffee can.  Insertion in the can will be
controlled, so as to stop common competition cheating.  You have to write down
two numbers.  Do you think you can handle fairness?  10.  VOTING:    Stones will
be accepted on Friday June 6.  Voting will be done all day Friday.  Supervising
the votes will be by Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson.  Both of these characters are of
very high caliber.  Trust us, their decision is final....very final.  The voting
is open to all of those attending the Symposium.  That includes the members of
the Faceters Guild of Southern California, our Symposium Speakers, your spouse or
friend, but not the Fairgrounds Janitor.  He gets enough perks already.    11. 
WINNER:  The contest winner will be announced at the Saturday Awards Luncheon,
along with all of those other awards to competitors who really know how to facet.
 You best pay attention.  You may learn something from the Novices.    12.  GEM
RETRIEVAL:  You stone may be picked up after completion of the Awards Luncheon.  
Any gloating as if you are the winner will result in immediate enrollment in
sensitivity training.  Entrants unable to pick up their gem must provide a
suitable self-addressed stamped postal card to have their stone returned. 
Insurance is not worth it.  Do not blame us if the tape holding your gem does not
make the trip back to you.   13.  DECISION:  Erratic or erotic thoughts and
conclusions of the judges is final.  Because it is our contest, that's why!  If
you do not agree with these rules, we have some used hiking boots available for
your immediate use.  Your gem entry constitutes acceptance of these appropriate
thirteen RULES.  You acknowledge that you are just in the contest for the fun of
it.       These contest is for real.

Glenn Klein, ChairmanFaceters Symosium 2003

Subject: Correction to 5/2 comment
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 10:21:05 -0400
To: "Lapidary Arts-faceting" <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Rock Peddler" <rockpeddler@attbi.com>

" I am sure Doug is recounting his bad experience with Facetron accurately -
I have reason to doubt him..."
In my posting of May 2 I made a major error in the above statement and I
want to correct it and make my apologies to Doug Turet. This should read " I
am sure Doug is recounting his bad experience with Facetron accurately -
I have no reason to doubt him..."
Maybe a middle-age moment occurred. Sorry Doug, and anyone else who found
this gaff offensive.

Jeanne Ridolfi - Rock Peddler
www.bestrough.com, our new faceting rough site
800-416-4348; M-F, 10:30am - 4:30pm, eastern time


Subject: running Datavue under Windows XP
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 23:12:52 -0700
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Noel Rowe <noel@roughtocut.com>

Hi. I have a question a little off topic. I received a request from a
fellow faceter about problems running Datavue under Windows XP. I have
it installed on my Windows 98 computer so don't have any answers for
him. Has anyone on the list been successful running it on an XP machine?


Rough To Cut

Hi Noel,  I upgraded a machine from win98 to XP Pro (Datavue was already installed)
and it began to give me a database license error and has now quit completely. Luckly for
me I maintain a Win98 machine for Software and Hardware not supported by Win XP.
Hopefully someone will have an answer.










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Subject: Funny
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 18:31:57 -0400
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "J Wagstaff" <wagstajo@kos.net>


It has been confirmed by the South Central Health Foundation in
Newfoundland that two residents have been diagnosed with  SARS.

One purr fella has a sar elbow and the second a sar knee.

Lord tundren gesus b'y, better be careful.



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this work and that work.
We have been created in order to love and to be loved.
Love does not measure. . . it just gives.

---Mother Teresa---


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