Issue No. 153 - Monday June 23, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
From the Moderator:

Hi All,

There is a great post today from the first member
of my original list (Doug Smith). He makes some very valid
points that not only apply to the list and lapidary but
also to all aspects of what any given individual knows.

Share your accumulated experiences and knowledge
today. If tomorrow never comes for you, all that you are and know
and have not shared with another will be LOST FOREVER.

Share with someone!  Post to the digest at least weekly.
Anything from a link of an article you found interesting to
a full blown technical discussion is appropriate.


Index to Today's Digest

01  NEW: southern california places to dig!
02  BIO: Carol Carter-Wientjes
03  NEW: Missing speaker at Faceters Symposium 2003
04  NEW: Gemstone Enhancement Disclosure
05  NEW: From Thurmond's first list member


Subject: southern california places to dig!
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 12:06:11 -0700 (PDT)
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: shirley miklik <b-daw@pacbell.net>

hello thurmond and all,
sorry for being a bit slow with news to the digest.  digging trips are offered to
the historical Himalaya Mine which was at one time the world's greatest producer
of pink tourmaline.  in the early 1900's the chinese people were importing all
the pink tourmaline that could be produced and using it for everything under the
sun, carvings all the way down to buttons.  the grapevine has it that the himalya
was first discovered by interested parties because the indian children were using
tourmaline nodules to play marble games and trading them to the local general
store for candy.  the store owner was saturated with tourmaline and news leaked
of the great many stones.  before too long, there was an interested party....and
i dont remember if he was from tiffany & co or where, but some big company in new
york, came out to see the tourmaline and so the mining began.  tours are still
being offered and the cost is $50/person.  off hand, i have not been to dig the
tailing pile and i dont know how long the session lasts.  if you are interested
and in california, call simon king 619.444.3731.
before i part, i have some new roughs for sale at $2/g.  icy clean pink/mauve
kunzite!  it is a limited supply, so grab it while its available.
happy hunting in calif,


Subject: BIO: Carol Carter-Wientjes
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 22:37:57 -0500
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Carol Carter-Wientjes" <lavenderfish@cox.net>

Hi everybody,

A lifetime rockhound, although living in New Orleans now isn't terribly
condusive for rock hunting, so I'm dreaming of one day moving west
closer to my favs. Graveyard & Willow Creek, yummy! Finally learned how
to cab last fall at William Holland from a great fellow, Bill Roberts (I
call him Bruneau Bill), and have since been camped out in the garage
cabbing (8" Universal) and carving (Foredom bench lathe) all kinds of
rock and gem materials. Also have made a few pieces of jewelry from the
stones I've finished but haven't hit on that signature style just yet.
Maybe that won't happen until after I "graduate" by conquering my
nemesis, SOLDERING. Argh.... :-)~

Looking forward to learning lots of new tricks from all those seasoned
pros out there! Until next time, "I'd Rather Be Cabbing" Carol


Subject: Missing speaker at Faceters Symposium 2003
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:13:02 -0700 (PDT)
To: LAPIDARY ARTS & FACETERS DIGEST <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: Glenn Klein <glennklein@yahoo.com>

Hi All:
Yesterday Ralph Mathewson called me.  He just got home day before yesterday,
after making two trips back to Minnesota.  Through a turbulent time for him, he
missed being one of our scheduled speakers at the Faceters Symposium 2003 in
As I stated earlier, Ralph told me that he might not be able to make it from his
home in Lewiston, Idaho to Ventura.  His health was the problem for him then. 
But I told him that I would think positive and figure on him being at Ventura,
unless he later told me that he definitely would not be able to make it.  Well,
Ralph said yesterday that he thought he had made it clear to me that he was not
coming.  Anyway, through the misunderstanding, Ralph could not make it to
What happened was not Ralph's health, although he is still fighting some problems
in that area, his real immediate problem was that his only brother passed away in
Minnesota.  Of course, Ralph went back east for the services, and to settle the
family affairs along with his remaining sister.
Then after returning home, Ralph had to make another trip back to meet with over
100 relatives, including one from Sweden, who he had not seen in years.
This is a long explanation as to why Ralph could not make it to the Symposium. 
He wanted to be there.  And many faceters were anxious to meet Ralph.  The happy
thing for me is that, at least Ralph's health was not the reason that he could
not make it to Ventura.
I wish Ralph well.....and I do mean health for sure.
Glenn Klein
Lake Forest, CA USA


Subject: Gemstone Enhancement Disclosure
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:27:48 -0500
To: owner-lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: gembin <gembin@spiff.net>

Hi All,

While surfing the internet, I ran across an interesting "gemstone
grading guide" to disclose all enhancements to gems, by the American Gem
Trade Association (AGTA). This "gemstone grading guide" can be seen on
Fire Mountain Gems and Beads Jewelry Supply's web page. Their page
describes the different methods of enhancements. All of the symbols used
are those described by the American Gem Trade Association (AGTA). They
strongly suggest you disclose all enhancements when selling gemstones to
avoid lawsuits.


All the usual disclaimers apply...  I have no association with Fire
Mountain Gems and Beads Jewelry Supply.

Doug "Rhodolite" Smith
Alton, IL, USA (on the north bank of the Mississippi River and still
surrounded by females!)


Subject: From Thurmond's first list member
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 04:22:59 -0500
To: owner-lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: gembin <gembin@spiff.net>

Hello All,

Some of you may recall, awhile back, Thurmond posted a message on
another digest that I was his first list member. It is a distinction I
hold with pride. We owe a lot to Thurmond... Since his first digest, I
have seen his nursing it along, his stick to intutiveness in the lean
beginning months, overcoming many trials and tribulations that I am sure
many of you are aware, and his sincere effort to help faceters and
lapidarius in our endeavors. I wish, if you will, for you to give some
serious thought to my message today.  Picture this if you will.....

Each year... Each and every community throughout the world has a new
crop of students entering the 1st grade. Likewise, high schools and
colleges have a new crop of students entering each year. This has been
an ongoing process that has been done for literally centuries... Each
And EVERY Year.. for thousands of years!!!

Knowledge is attained not by being silent, but by communicating. Every
faceter and lapidarius on earth at one time was a newbie. Weren't you
and I.... and everyone else? Did you ever ask questions of another?
Learning is an endless process.... as we advance in knowledge and
experience, we then start realizing the more we know... the more we
don't know. Think about this... It took thousands upon thousands of
years of drawing in the sand, developing language and script, writing on
clay tablets, paper, the printing press, inventing mathematics, physics,
chemistry, explosives, astronomy, electricity, the phonograph, radio,
aerodynamics, television, computers, etc., before mankind could gain
enough knowledge from others... to put a man on the moon!!! All because
of communications! Suppose you would have had to do it without
communications... without learning from others!

Yet, if we as faceters and lapidarius ignore communications, future
generations must, by himself, reinvent the wheel. You might say, yes,
but don't forget... there are books!

Let me tell you a story about books! Perhaps we might stick a book in
every kid's hands... just let him learn from that. Close all the
schools, save all that money! Sounds great, only trouble is... it won't
work! Schools assure by discussion that we understand what we read in
books and correct any misunderstandings we have mistakenly interpreted
from what we have read. Discussion and clarification is what schools are
all about. Thurmond graciously provides the Lapidary Arts Digest for we
list members to provide this exchange of information and clarification
for our faceting and lapidary endeavors at almost no charge. The only
charge to us is by taking advantage of Thurmond's offer by posting. And
here's the best part, even if we post mistaken or incomplete
information, other list members will jump in posting corrections to our
postings or offer other ways to to do it. The Lapidary Arts Digest is
self - policing.

So list members... Picture this if you will... If YOU, as a list member
(newbies, lurkers, experienced old timers, experts in a particular
field) would post just once a month (questions, tips, ideas, hints,
problems you have overcome, things you have done, etc.), we together can
make the Lapidary Arts Digest an outstanding place for learning by
exchanging information...  And a friendly form to gain friendships
amongst ourselves. That's what it's all about. We all have something to
contribute! We list members should be so lucky!

Doug "Rhodolite" Smith
Alton, Illinois, USA


Thanks Doug,  That hits the nail on the head !










PERSONALS: (General Lapidary and Faceting)






Lurking is fine, but participation is better for learning !
Post something from your experiences in gemcutting today!


Subject: [Fwd: Only In America]
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:35:09 -0500
To: IFA Faceter's Digest <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: Downey <alckytxn@swbell.net>

Subject: Only In America

George Phillips of Meridian Mississippi was going up
to bed when his wife told him that he'd left the light on in the garden
shed, which she could see from the bedroom window.

George opened the back door to go turn off the light
but saw that there were people in the shed stealing things.

He phoned the police, who asked "Is someone in your
house?" and he said no. Then they said that all patrols were busy, and
that he should simply lock his door and an officer would be along when

George said, "Okay," hung up, counted to 30, and
phoned the police again.
"Hello I just called you a few seconds ago because
there were people in my shed. Well, you don't have to worry about them now
cause I've just shot them all." Then he hung up.

Within five minutes three police cars, an Armed
Response unit, and an ambulance showed up at the Phillips residence. Of
course, the police caught the burglars red-handed.

One of the Policemen said to George: "I thought you
said that you'd shot them!"

George said, "I thought you said there was nobody available!"

(True Story) I LOVE IT...



The measure of a mans real character
is what he would do if he knew he would never be found out.

---T.B. Macaulay---


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