Issue No. 148 - Monday June 16, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
From the Moderator:

I received word from Africa this weekend that Tanzania
has banned export of ALL Tanzanite rough. Only cut stones
may now be exported.

Index to Today's Digest

01  NEW: Funniest post of the Year Award.
02  RE: Saw Coolants
03  NEW: Help Needed with Fun Rock/Mineral Facts
04  RE: Saw Coolants
05  NEW: Trip report..........Herkimer New York
06  NEW: Faceters Symposium Report


Subject: Funniest post of the Year Award.
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:35:15 -0400
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: "Jonathan L. Rolfe" <webmaster@gearloose.com>

>stones were "greasy" and I still smelled like a billy goat on a promise.
>Use water mate, its safe,
>except for drinking, you know what fish do in it!

I worked hard all day and really needed to frighten the cat off my lap by
spraying my drink all over the keyboard.
You Aussies have to be the funniest ****** I ever ran into.  You live
upside down, you have weird animals, opals, sapphires, Foster's, digideroo
music, Vegemite, and the funniest expressions on Earth.
Thanks!  I needed that tonight!
PS: It's tomorrow there.
  Am I having a nice day?  What's the Lottery Number?  :-)


Subject: Re: Issue No. 147 - Friday June 13, 2003
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:54:44 -0700
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: Tony <lightbender@thegemdoctor.com>

On June 13, 2003 04:47 pm, you wrote:
>  Light mineral oil is harmless.  With perfume added, it is
> called "Baby Oil"...they do NOT squeeze babies to make it.

Then 'Baby Powder' isn't the residue?



Subject: Help Needed with Fun Rock/Mineral Facts
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:22:23 -0400
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Kreigh Tomaszewski <Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net>

I am working on a 'Rockology' talk to be presented to students and
beginning rockhounds (as well as old time collectors). I hope to be able
to scatter 'Fun Facts' about various rocks and minerals through the talk
as they are mentioned to make it more interesting. Tidbits like...

Your teeth are made of Apatite

Iolite is probably the 'sunstone' the Vikings used as a sun compass
for navigating the high seas.

Most of the tin used to make tableware in the Roman Empire came from
Cassiterite mines in Great Britain.

But I need some help. Can you share some of the lore you have picked up
and provide more fun facts I might be able to use?


Kreigh Tomaszewski


Subject: Trim saw lubricant
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:57:58 -0700
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Phillip L Stonebrook <plstonebrook@juno.com>

Thanks for all your trim saw nontoxic "coolant/lube" recommendations ..
all good info .. Jon and Aurimus  seem to have that "extra flair", and
always good for a laugh too! Kudos guys!

Phil in Florida


Subject: Trip report..........Herkimer New York
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 07:53:58 -0400
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Peter In Maine" <kulaczp@pivot.net>

Well Joey and I are off to Herkimer for 5 days and then to Plattsburg New
York to fish Northerns with an old friend....Been waiting for 40 years to go
to Herkimer.......Too long......but.......not too late.....
I will be offline for 10 days so bear with me with any questions on the
mineral packages sent out this week.....
We will be camping out at the KOA campground, I had no idea I had so many
tools to bring....TG for my trailer.........!
Will give you all a great trip report when we return..........

My Best

Peter and Joey....................Maine is wet........raining


Subject: Report on Faceters Symposium 2003
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 11:47:48 -0700 (PDT)
To: LAPIDARY ARTS & FACETERS DIGEST <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: Glenn Klein <glennklein@yahoo.com>

Hi Everyone:
Well, the Faceters Symposium 2003 in Ventura, CA is now recent History.  It was a
fantastic time for all of us who attended last week at Ventura.  I thought that I
would give a wrap up on the Symposium as I saw it.
First of all, I want to acknowledge some people who were major players, and then
I will give some of my personal reflections about this Symposium and the two
previous ones (1996 & 2000) that I was Chairman of at Riverside.
Faceting subjects were spoken of in a variety of ways by our excellent lineup of
speakers.  Dr. Anthony (Tony) Kampf's and Steve Ulatowski's presentations about
going to the mine areas around the World to get the faceting rough that we all
need (Steve provided each of the attendees an excellent piece of Tourmaline rough
to take home free),  Robert Strickland's discussion of designing stone cuts with
use of his GemCad for Windows program,  Bob Long's discussion about designing
before GemCad was available,  David Ichelson's interesting presentation about the
methods he uses to cut Diamonds,  Thomas Chathams interesting history of how his
father came to discovering his method of creating fine Emeralds in 1938,  the
variety of nitty gritty subjects that all of us faceters are interested in
learning, such as doping, cutting, planning, buying and orienting rough, and
especially how to Polish a fine gem....which was presented by Ewing Evans and Art
Kavan in their presentations.  What a
 wealth of information was presented by all.
This Symposium proved to be a real challenge for my wife Rhoda and myself.  In
1996 and 2000 I had the speakers lined up well ahead of the Symposiums, and
things went pretty much as to plan.  But this time around things kept coming up
as problems for me.  A few months ago Carl Unruh informed me that he had to pull
out of the speaker lineup because of his health.  He sincerely regretted not
being able to come.  Ventura would have made him the only speaker to be presented
at all Three of the Symposiums.  I found a replacement speaker for Carl.  But
then in the last week prior to the Symposium, Jonathan (Gearloose) Rolfe informed
me that he could not come to the Symposium because of work required in his home
area, for his important Employer.  He already had his airplane tickets, but had
to cancel out. 
Also, two special Giants of the faceting world were lined up to be at the
Symposium as our Special Guests......Fred Van Sant and Glenn Vargas.  Fred Van
Sant made it to the Symposium, and I greatly appreciate his effort in getting
there and talking to the faceters.  I know that he enjoyed himself greatly.  Our
other special guest Glenn Vargas could not make it to Ventura.  Even during the
days of the Symposium, there was talk that he might yet appear at Ventura.....but
it did not happen.  His health keeps him in a wheel chair, and he is having or
about to have an operation.  Glenn did send a collection of his gemstones for use
in the Exhibit building, where there were about ten cases of faceting to be
enjoyed by all who came to the Show.  Glenn's gems were brought to Ventura by
Jerry Newman, who I wish to thank for making the effort to drive 60 miles to
Glenn's for pickup and return of the gems.
On Sunday we wrapped up the Symposium with our Panel of Experts presentation.  I
took questions from the attendees in the audience, and our experts on the panel
Ewing Evans, David Ichelson, Art Kavan, Bob Long, Robert Strickland, and Fred Van
Sant answered and discussed the questions.  It was a very interesting
presentation, and could have gone on for hours more.
It was then time for me to close the Symposium.  Immediately after, Art Kavan
took advantage of the FGSC's offer to use our Symposium room for a meeting of
United States Faceters Guild general members.  Non-members could also attend.  I
cannot report about what was discussed at the USFG meeting because I was busy
paying some more of the bills connected with the Fairgrounds and in doing a
million other little things that I had to do at that time.
Also in our building during the three days of the Symposium were our three
Hospitality Hour sponsors.....UltraTec (Joe & Maxine Rubin), Facetron (Betty
Jarvi), and Don & Linda Roberts with Poly-Metric OMF concave faceting equipment.  
The Faceters Guild of Southern California sincerely thanks them all for their
contributions towards the Symposium's costs....this makes it possible for the
faceters to pay less to attend the Symposiums.  Maxine & Joe Rubin of UltraTec
also sold off a couple hundred dops, and then donated that money to the FGSC to
help cover costs.  All is greatly appreciated.
Art Kavan donated $100 to the FGSC as well.  Thanks to him for being there,
speaking there, and donating money there.  
All who attended the Friday Hospitality Hour seemed to be enjoying themselves. 
At least that is the way it looked to me, as all were smiling and having a good
The Awards Luncheon at noon on Saturday, 12 PM, 12 pm, after breakfast, before
dinner, or whatever your clock registers it as....was also a happy time for all
of the attendees.  There was plenty of food for seconds, or even thirds if you
wanted to be an oinker.  Art Kavan won the Masters level trophy (which was judged
by Wing Evans) and also the trophy for the most Beautiful Gem contest.  There was
also a winner of the Novice level gem competition.  That trophy was won by Jim
Clark.  I was personally amazed at the quality of the Novice stones entered in
the competition.  There were six or seven stones entered, and they all looked
very very good for that level of competition, even good for the higher levels. 
Nobody entered at the Advanced level of competition.  Bob Haines judged the
Novice stones, and he spent a day and a half in doing that judging.  He said that
it took him that long to find things wrong on the stones.  The stones were
definitely all very well done....and on a
 design that I think would be challenging for most faceters of a higher level. 
The Beautiful Gem contest also was a fine showing of truly pretty stones.  Gene
Oesterreich handled the award in that contest.  The Awards Luncheon was a
pleasant experience for me, because it was a good time for mixing with many
individual faceters. 
I certainly want to thank the members of the Symposium Staff who worked with me
to bring the Symposium into reality.  The Staff consisted of Clare Gagnon, Dick
Knox, Dennis Black, Dennis Anderson, Pat & Bob Haines, and my loving wife Rhoda
Klein.  Dennis Anderson got our speakers and Mic's system working well, Clare was
there for many of the tasks that were required....like operation of the slide
projector, lights, etc., Rhoda was there helping in many tasks at the Symposium
as well as putting up with my taking over our home computer most of every day the
past six months (which meant that she could not use the phone when she wanted
to), and a Very Special thanks to Bob & Pat Haines for the way they both
continually offered to take on many various jobs that needed to be done in order
for the Symposium to become a reality.  Bob and Pat were outstanding in their
efforts to make the Symposium a success.  They get my personal vote for the first
place Trophy! 
Ralph Mathewson was one of our scheduled speakers at the Symposium, but he did
not appear at Ventura.  I still do not know why Ralph did not make it.  He called
me about six weeks ago and stated that he did not know if he was going to be able
to come because of some serious health problems that he had.  I said to him that
I would just keep thinking positive, and that I would plan on him being there
unless I heard that he definitely was not coming.  He could have had car trouble
in driving from Idaho, but I imagine it is a problem with his health.  Ralph does
not do the computer Email thing (he is smart), so we communicated by phone....and
I stay off of the phone as much as I can because I do not like to converse on the
phone with anyone.  My deteriorating hearing is the my main problem.  But even in
younger years I never enjoyed talking on the phone.  And so, our communications
have not been easy for Ralph or me.
When I left home four days before the Symposium I grabbed a box of slides of
Inclusions In Quartz that I used in a program presentation at one of our FGSC
meetings a couple of years ago.  I took this along at the last minute in case one
of the speakers did not appear.  I should have left the slides at home. 
When Ralph Mathewson still had not appeared on Sunday, I decided to fill the
space with my "Inclusions You May Find In Quartz" presentation.  I had not looked
at these slides since I gave the presentation two years ago.  When I went into my
presentation at the Symposium I was getting very tired.  At 76 I do not have the
hiss and vinegar that I had when I was in my twenties.  I had trouble reading my
notes because of the dim lighting and the fact that I did not have my reading
glasses along, I was too close to the projection screen to see what I was doing
when I tried to focus the 35mm slides, some of the slides were out of proper
sequence to what I was describing about my slides, and I was getting more and
more upset with myself as I went along.  I apologize to all for my doing what I
feel was a job not up to standard.  But hey, that is the way the cookie crumbles
sometimes.  I will be a no-good scoundrel and blame it all on Ralph for not
showing up!
In Symposiums past, we have tried to make video's complete with good audio.  We
have failed miserably in our attempts.  So this time, we shot the speaker
presentations with four of our home cameras.  The plan is that out of four of us
shooting we ought to be able to have the four tapes of each speaker edited by
someone talented in that area....into one master tape that will have both good
Video and Audio.  Gene Oesterreich was taking video with his roving camera.  He
pointed toward the action, whether it was the speaker, the projection screen, or
a member of the audience.  Bob Haines was running back and forth from two cameras
mounted on tripods.  I had my video camera on a tripod pointed at the rostrum
area....and just left it on continuously during the presentations.
The plan is that we have these tapes edited, and maybe later even those from the
previous two Symposiums.  Then we will offer them for donation (sale) to anyone
who wishes to buy them for their own use or for use as program material at their
own Guild's monthly meetings.  The tapes could help you bring in new members and
retain the old members by having informative and interesting tapes to play at
your meetings.
So, I have a question regarding your interest.  If you are interested in
purchasing tapes, I would like to hear from you in the very near future as to if
you are interested in buying the tapes of certain individual speakers or if you
are interested in purchasing the whole set of the Faceters Symposium 2003 tapes. 
This information will help the Symposium Staff make a decision as to what we will
charge for the tapes.  We want to keep the price as low as we can, but we have to
cover our costs in producing the tapes.  I received many names and addresses at
the Symposium from those who were interested.  If you are interested, please
Email me and tell me if you want certain tapes or the whole set.  Also give me
your snail mail address along with your name.  As soon as possible, I will
contact those names I have on the list.....to give you cost information, etc. 
Just Email         glennklein@yahoo.com
Another note now that I am thinking about it, the exhibit building at the
Fairgrounds had our ten cases of faceting.  One of the cases was mine.  I had
gotten rid of my monster four foot case of 3/4" plywood years ago.  So, during
the past three months I again built a case for displaying my gems.  This new case
is made of 1/2" oak plywood and is just 36" wide.  It can be taken all apart for
storage.  I can lift this sucker all by myself, whereas the old monster was too
much for two people to lift.  My case at Ventura had 41 Natural material gems on
the lower main deck, and 28 Synthetic material gems on the upper two decks of the
risers.  I forgot to put a small label stating that fact in the case.  I had it
that way so that Natural and Synthetics could be compared as to which is the most
beautiful material to work with.  My case also showed a picture of the big
Australian IFC cup which was first won by the United States team.  A picture of
the winning team along with a picture of my
 personal scores in that Challenge were also in the case.  Also the solid silver
cup that I was awarded by the Australians as one of the U.S. team members was
there.  My case had no space left for labels, so you did not know what the
materials were.  But I just wanted to add that there was quite a variety of
materials, cuts, sizes, and designs shown there.
Among the things included in the envelopes that all attendees received when they
registered at Ventura were some things that I want to note.  There were ten pages
of Fred Van Sant's designs that he provided to me as a one-time allowance from
the owner of his designs....Jeff Graham.  Also, Jerry Capps provided a design of
his for an almost Marquise shape stone....that limits the Bow-tie effect
somewhat.  Jerry calls this the VENTURA VARGAS cut.  That is an appropriate name
for the occasion, don't you think?  Dee Holland provided a Stone Hazardous Chart
which listed the various gem materials and how they stood regarding reaction to
setting, polishing, boiling, steaming, sizing & repairs requiring a torch,
ultrasonic, acids, pickling and plating.  Also included in the packets were items
like a pen, notebook pad, and coupons as well as name badges.
I was happy to meet and talk to faceters from across the country.  I was
especially happy to meet Merle White, Editor-in-Chief of the Lapidary Journal.  I
mentioned to her how happy I am personally, to see many articles in the magazine
regarding the faceting area of Lapidary hobbies.  That is a great improvement
over years past, when faceting did not get much space in the magazine.
Now for some personal reflections about all three Symposiums.  I was the person
who contacted possible speakers for the Symposiums, by phone, Emails, or going to
shows like Tucson in February to talk face to face with the possible person.  I
had to convince them to want to attend the Symposiums, even though each one of
them had costs in coming, like their plane tickets, hotel, food, etc.  When I
look back at the list of speakers that appeared at the Symposiums, I am
understandably impressed with the list.  Some of these people have departed this
life, and some are getting to very high ages, but look at these names of our
important speakers from the faceting world:
Art Grant
Dennis Anderson
Norm Steele
Ed Romack
Dr. John Sinkankas
Glenn & Martha Vargas
Si & Ann Frazier
Jerry Carroll
Carl Unruh
Bob Kleppe
Charles Moon
Lothar Vallot
Charles Covill
Hubert Rackets
John Koivula
Robert Strickland
Steve Ulatowski
Art Kavan
David Ichelson
Thomas Chatham
Dr. Anthony Kampf
Ewing Evans
Bob Long
Fred Van Sant
Faceting is a very new area of Lapidary concentration.  This is because good
machines were not available until about forty years ago.  Sure the Jam-Pegs were
there, but descent and accurate machines were not there for most hobbyists to
use.  So the list of names above shows lots of the real people who were founding
fathers of the hobby as it exists today.  They were part of the small group who
have made faceting popular as it is today.
Two attendees at the Symposium also helped greatly.  One was Jack Lewis, and the
other was Art's wife Sandy Kavan.  Thanks to you both.
I hope that I have not forgotten someone.  
The Del Air Rockhounds, Inc. supplied the building for our use during the
Symposium.  It was a pleasure for me to work with the Show Committee over the
past year, as plans were made to make the combined AFMS/CFMS Seaside GEMboree
Convention and Show at the Ventura, CA Fairgrounds a success.
I know that Rhoda and I greatly appreciate the opportunity we have had to be
involved in these past three Symposiums.  But it has taken over our lifestyle for
the last year.  It has been our main area of concentration.  We now feel that we
are getting to the age where it is someone else's turn to Chair a Symposium.  The
1996 and 2000 did not seem to wear us down like this 2003 effort did.  This
Symposium caused so many changes to be made as many extra costs came up.  Rhoda
and I want you to know that we are proud to have been part of the Faceters
Symposium 2003, but this is the last one we want to Chair or be involved in
organizing.  From now on, we want to be out there in the audience along with the
other attendees.
I love all faceters because they are my choice for finding great people.  I am so
glad to have been the Chairman for three Symposiums.  I now feel that I have done
the best that I could in order to satisfy as many faceters as I could.  In 1998 I
entered my last faceting competition in the Australian IFC.  I had proved to
myself what I wanted to prove.....that I could do it if I put my mind and body to
the task.  I now have satisfied my own ego regarding faceting for competition and
for Chairing a Symposium.
I could almost write a long article about getting a Symposium to completion, at
least the way I see things....but I do not know when I would find time to write
my views on the subject.
Now it is your turn to contribute to the faceting world.  Arrange a Symposium in
your area, and enter a faceting competition. 
Glenn Klein, EX-Chairman
Faceters Symposium 2003 


Subject: Off The Dop: Cherry Opal!
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:53:58 -0400
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: "Jonathan L. Rolfe" <webmaster@gearloose.com>

This is the strangest material to photograph! The opalescence gives the
Nikon's edge-defined contrast autofocus a nervous breakdown, and there
seems to be a green fluorescence also.  So, I give up! These pictures do
not do the stone justice, but will have to do.  I found the stone easier to
cut than to photograph.
The rough was preformed on a #600 plated lap.  The actual cutting was done
on the copper band of a Redwing Lap with #4000 diamond (Watch out-it cuts
FAST!  Polishing was done with 60K diamond compound, modified with a
surfactant to make it hydrophilic.  The stone was cut in about two hours.
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