Issue No. 145 - Wednesday June 11, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
From The Moderator:

Hi all,  Today we have the third in a series of post  on
Collecting Areas in Maine. Thanks Peter

Index to Today's Digest

01  NEW: Maine #3 Mineral Collecting Location Deerhill
02  RE: Overlapping Interests..Something fishy about dark rough!
03  NEW: anti freeze coolant  **DON'T**
04  NEW: Need someone to put a design into gemcad and perfect it.
05  NEW: Star shaped Diamonds?


Subject: Maine #3 Mineral Collecting Location Deerhill
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:47:41 -0400
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Peter In Maine" <kulaczp@pivot.net>

I was not involved back in 1992 when the boys found the 4th of July pocket
at Little Deerhill , Stowe Maine ,but sure wish I had been there......Please
use the following site to read about the prospect and its progress thru the

We now continue to mine this area but are working it below the original
quarry and pond area. The area is known as the Millennium Pocket, Eastman
Prospect. Here another great find happened. This spot is next to State Owned
Land , which produced an awful lot of glacial deposited amethyst. It got
mined by amateurs so much that the state closed it down. It seems that they
were worried about the rock pickers devastating the natural woods. In
reality the ice storm of 1997 did most of the damage...
To prospect the old area a person must pay a fee to the state and only pick
in designated areas. Not much coming out of there in the past 3 years.

Last year the crew worked this Millennium Pocket area all Summer . For those
of you who dream of hitting it big,,,,,  keep dreaming..       .Financing an
operation like this is expensive. There is an excavator, a dump truck, a
diesel compressor and hoses , repair costs and the high cost of
explosives....!   I figure the mining company spent thousands last year and
probably brought home a few hundred dollars of gem amethyst. Without the
help of volunteers it could not be done...
We usually have 6 guys working and a few people picking rocks and having
fun...The day starts around 10 am and goes till dark...

Our knowledgeable owner Gary usually picks the drilling spots and then all
hell breaks loose.. We have the guys that like to drill holes, the guys who
run the excavator and then the rest of us who do what needs to be done at
that moment. Usually 5 to 18 holes get put in at a depth of  5 feet. the
holes are then packed with 1/2 stick of  dynamite and filled with a few cups
of ammonium nitrate ( farmers dynamite). Stemming rock is pounded down on
top of this to stop any rifling and keep the noise down. Blasting cord is
used to connect each hole and then a primer cap is used to set the thing off
. We are extremely safety conscious and take our time and do things by the
book. Gary then sets us in different locations to shout the warnings and be
at a safe distance from the explosion. It is always a joy
to be there when a blast goes off.  Everything is in slow motion.   Fire in
the hole......!!  Blasting.......Blasting.......
5,,,,4,,,,,3,,,,,2,,,,,1,,,,,concussion......Not much noise but an
earthquake in under your feet. My son and I stand up hill , about  400 yards
from the site and watch the boomer... The rocks lift up and go sailing in
slow motion......Even at that distance care is needed and big trees are used
for protection from the falling debris....We usually give it a few minutes
before going into the blast area, bad air in the hole........Dynamite leaves
a gas that can guarantee a headache later....not good for a person..

Everyone goes into the blast zone and looks for color. Usually there isn't
much to see until we get the excavator in there and pull out all the junk
rock. We did get into quite a few pockets last year but did not find and
great ammount of gem material. Specimens are a different story. I dug out a
good 5 inch amethyst crystal from a bushel sized pocket last year. Another
thing about pockets and what they look like....There are no crystals
sticking out at you and saying hello.. The pockets look like blackish sand
and are usully filled with clay / kaolin.. The crystals are in the bottom of
the pocket and need to be worked out by hand very carefully as not to damage
them...They are packed in very tight and do not come out easily. The pockets
are also filled up with small quartz crystals, usually hundreds of them...I
have given away enough that I could have paved my driveway with them...There
are also smoky quartz crystals and a few beryls in this area.  We got into a
ledge area that produced beautiful pyrite cubes up to 3/4 of an inch
accross...The garnet that does show up is very punky and of no use to

I was there when the crew excavated the 1956 pocket area, it was hard to
find since it was covered up by 400 yards of rock and debris..Milky quartz
crystals showed up that were softball size. I have a plate of milky with
crystals over 2 feet long. This area is private and access is not allowed
BUT..... the mineral club can get in there by permission from the owner. My
son and I are lucky that Gary is a good friend of ours and allows us to help
out and enjoy the picken.. Old Deerhill can be accessed by getting yourself
to Fryeburg Maine.  You then take rt .5 north for a few miles and take a
left onto Fish Street. This will bring you to rt. 113. Take a right onto
rt.113 and follow it for 15 miles or so. You will actually see the Eastman
Farm and sign on the right, you continue for 1/2 mile or so and take a right
onto Deerhill Rd. It is the shortcut used by the locals to get over to
Albany / Waterford etc. You proceed on this dirt road for 3/4 of a mile and
look for the trail marker and deposit box for the State Property, on the
left side of the road...... Up this trail for about a mile in the woods will
get you to the old , Big Deerhill , prospect..

As I said before , all that we collected here last year was stolen from our
pickup truck at a mineral club function...Still gets me down to think
someone would ruin my 13 year boy's whole summer's picken.....Maybe my
estwing can be used for something else if I ever find the guys.....?



Subject: Overlapping Interests..Something fishy about dark rough!
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:38:45 -0400
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: "Jonathan L. Rolfe" <webmaster@gearloose.com>

>BUT I have
>also found more than a couple of fishkeepers that are cutters. I used to
>raise African and Neotropical cichlids and Jerry Dewbre raised angel
>fish (IIRC).

On another digest, in a discussion of dark stones, I posted "Gearloose's
I then went on a sarcastic rant about "Anthracite" sapphires and closed "C"
tourmaline, and made the Ichthyophilic comment:

"Every gemcutter should keep tropical fish.  It  gives you a place to
retire these materials, and your finny friends can frolic amid
gemstones.  This way, if one is ever tempted to cut one, having an arm wet
to the elbow retrieving the rough often shocks one back to rethinking the


Subject: anti freeze coolant
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:04:23 -0400
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Doug & Beth Dover" <ddover@carolina.rr.com>

I could NOT recommend that anyone use any type of anti freeze for a saw
coolant. The Sierra brand is LESS toxic than ethylene glycol, but definitely
is NOT non-toxic. It has serious health consequences when the misting
attached to sawing is taken into consideration. I have said before that
there are too many chemical hazards in the hobby to needlessly expose
yourself to more. I may take this more seriously than others, since I am a
construction and industrial safety instructor in my day job. Excerpt from
Potential Health Effects

No adverse health effects via inhalation.
Relatively non-toxic. Ingestion of sizable amount (over 100ml) may cause
some gastrointestinal upset and temporary central nervous system depression.
Effects appear more severe in individuals with kidney problems.
Skin Contact:
Mild irritant and defatting agent, especially on prolonged contact.
Eye Contact:
May cause transitory stinging and tearing.
Chronic Exposure:
Lactic acidosis, stupor and seizures have been reported following chronic
Aggravation of Pre-existing Conditions:
Kidney disorders.

There are no immediately terminal conditions attached to the product, but
then again MSDS's are usually phrased in the best terms possible for the
material described. The key to me is under ingestion: RELATIVELY NON-TOXIC.

Doug Dover
Belmont, NC


Subject: Need someone to put a design in to gemcad and perfect it.
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:31:40 -0400
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Tyler Allen" <t.allen@mindspring.com>

I just finished a suite of Danburites (errgs./pendant)  errgs. total
weight is 12 cts the center stone is 9.  I made this cut up it is an
emerald cut shaped cut with cut corners with radiant style facets on the
bottom looks great.  I would like someone to put it in to gemcad to
perfect it so I can send it to Lapidary Journal for others to enjoy. 
Can someone help me out...

Tyler Allen
Atlanta, Georgia

Subject: Star shaped Diamonds?

Dear Sir,
I have been searching for a diamond that has been cut in the
shape of a star and have not been able to locate one.
Do you know where I might find one??? Or perhaps it is
not possible to cut a diamond in that shape?
Thank you for your assistance.
Cathy Reynolds
Casper, WY


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