Issue No. 144 - Tuesday June 10, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
From The Moderator:

Hi all,  Today we have the second in a series of post  on
Collecting Areas in Maine. We also have some collecting
information from North Carolina. I would like to see other
members worldwide post about their favorite collecting
areas and methods used for collection. Here is your
chance to tell about your favorite collecting areas and
adventures. Great list. Enjoy!

Index to Today's Digest

01  RE: Saw Lubricants
02  RE: Saw Lubricants
03  NEW: Maine Area No.2
04  NEW: Gathering gems in NC
05  RE: Stars, glass, and diamonds
06  RE: cutting both flat facets and concave
07  RE: Saw Lubricants
08  RE: Photos, Phish and Phirst borns (was;Stars, glass, and diamonds)
09  NEW: Lewis Elrod where are you?
10  NEW: Maine Mineral Update
11  RE: 330 Epoxy Glue Source.
12  RE: Poor collecting areas.
13  NEW: rock magazines


Subject: small saw lube
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 20:52:02 -0400
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Doug & Beth Dover" <ddover@carolina.rr.com>

I have used water in my 6" saw for years with no problems. If you do not
drain the tank after use, add rust inhibitor. If you insist on oil, just get
a jug of baby oil and cut away. None of the smell that comes with pella, and
I don't think you really need pella until you cross the 14" size line. I
have used mineral oil in my 12" slabber since I got it.
Doug Dover
Belmont, NC


Subject: Re: Issue No. 143 - Monday June 9, 2003
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 20:56:58 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: John Huck <rocknjohn@lowcountry.com>

    Shell oil company makes PELLA,  and Texaco makes ALMAG.  Both are light
cutting oils developed for metal cutting (Aluminum and Magnesium)  They make
good lubricants for lapidary cutting, they are however oils and as such can
make a bit of a mess.  After cutting slabs, I just put them in a bucket of
oil dry or kitty litter, then give them a wash in warm soapy water and they
come out fine.
    For a small saw like the 4 or 6 inch types, why not try a water soluble
oil like Dia-cut.  Water is just fine for a small blade but the soluble oil
prevents rust.
    Good luck!!
John Huck


Subject: Maine Area No.2
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 21:07:51 -0400
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Peter In Maine" <kulaczp@pivot.net>

This will be a quick one since I am off on the road again.

Perham.s quarry's have always been of interest to the beginner and
knowledgeable rock hound. The past 2 years , Frank Perham has been blasting
the Harvard Quarry heavily lookiong for apatites...well ......
What has come up is not apatite but really good quartz ......this area is
noted for its quartz.....Daimond Ledge is adjacent to the Harvard area and
we pick there to find large plates of  crystals......
The directions are  easy,  take Maine turnpike to exit 11 Gray exit.
Take a right after paying toll and then left at the lights , rt. 100.
Take the immediate lext left onto rt.26 and follow it to S.Paris 20 miles or
so. Perham;s Jewelry store will be on the right and you can stop in to get
writen directions to the quarry which is 5 miles from the store.
Perham's is famous because of  Stanley , the original owner , who strarted
the store after getting into the mining business. Back then they mined for
spar (feldspar),,,,,  it was used for the high gloss finish on china....The
rest of the story goes that they hit major finds of tourmaline and rare
The Harvard Quarry is an area that produced wonderful specimens and the
Harvard Museum people had a lot to do with Maine back then. They had the
fingers into many mineral sites and purchased the best specimens for their
I recommend people in pretty good shape to try this one out, it is a hard
hike in, easy to find since it is a trail, but up hill all the way...1/2
mile in.
We collected there before Frank was blasting and found a lot of cookeite and
tourmaline crystals that were beautiful. My friend found a 1/2 inch apatite
there last year, purple and pricy to say the least....
Perham,s has a museum also. The best of the best is on display there and a
camera wouldn't be bad to bring.. Jane Perham now runs the store and is a
wonderful person to meet. She has also written a book on mineral sites and
findings from the turn of the century. The book is one of my favorites to
read at night......Brings me back to when horses were used and black powder
was the blasting alternative....
The other quarries are the Taminen and the Waisinen, directly accross the
street from the Harvard.....This is country at its best and you would be
delighted to drop by a take a peek,...
Gots to go for now...
Black Flies are Huge this Year.....................Peter


Thanks for another interesting  "Virtual Tour" Peter. I can't wait for the next.


Subject: Gathering gems in NC
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 21:12:13 -0400
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: "denney.wilson" <denney.wilson@worldnet.att.net>

Here in North Carolina, you have many options for gathering gemstone
materials, depending upon what you want and how hard you want to work.
     For aquamarine, tourmaline, and "mud" garnets, there is the Brushy
Creek Mine in Spruce Pine where you pay about $30 for the privelege of
digging and collecting for a day.  It is hard work, but well worth it
for cab grade aqua (sometimes facet grade), mixed tourmalines, and
specimen garnets upto 3 inches.
     For sapphires, you have a couple or more choices.  The Old Presley
mine in Canton will let you dig all day for about $10.  You fine
spectacular blue cabbing grade sapphires along with some garnet and
spinel.  The Sheffield mine is known for its large star rubies and some
sapphires.  For about $5 per bucket dug, you can do quite well.  Both
are really hard work and it is best to bring your own tools.
     For possible emerald and hiddenite, along with garnets and some
quartz species, the Emerald Hollow mine in Hiddenite is good.  Again,
you pay about $25 to dig all day, but it is up to you to find the best
places.  If  you are lucky, you can easily find over 100 ct per day of
facet grade materials, mostly quartz and garnet types but maybe some
emerald and hiddenite.
     In addition to these, there are several dozen mines that will let
you collect for free or for a minimum fee in and around the areas
mentioned.  The State Park people can give you details as to where and
what to collect.
    For those with weak backs, there are several by the bucket mines
that sell raw ore from the areas and you can sometimes do quite well.
 These include the Emerald Hollow mine in Hiddenite, the Mason Mountain
mine in Franklin (rhodolite garnet), the Borderline mine in Hayesville,
the Sheffield mine in Franklin, the Moonstone Mine in Franklin, and many
     Have fun collecting and cutting!

Denney L. Wilson
Wilson Lapidary


Thanks Denney for taking the time to share these areas with the list.
If I ever get to go to Maine I will go via North Carolina for sure. LOL



Subject: Re: Issue No. 143 - Monday June 9, 2003
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 22:15:01 -0400
To: tom@boghome.com
From: Kreigh Tomaszewski <Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net>
Cc: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>

Many thanks Tom for the links.

But even more I thank you for the best laugh I've had in ages. Your
simple understatement of the difficulties in mounting a 75 million carat
'gem' so it retains surface accuracy while being rotated from vertical
to horizontal brought tears to my eyes and made my sides ache.

But shouldn't it have been described as an inverted 'cab'?

Thanks again!



Subject: cutting both flat facets and concave
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 21:09:34 -0500
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "MR" <rugroden@attbi.com>

What would be everyones choice for a machine that would be used for
>cutting both flat facets and concave.  This machine would be used for
>production cutting of both of the types mentioned above.

Polymetric.                 .

(Talkative Gearloose's shortest answer in History)

Facette:  Using it for cutting both flat and concave facets.  Rough in
the shape and pavilion mains and simply lift it from one mast to the
other and start cutting.  In my never to be humble opinion, the best
machine on the market.

Martin President of Curmudgeons for Life


Subject: Re:Pela Oil
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 22:29:18 -0700
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Phillip L Stonebrook <plstonebrook@juno.com>

Greetings list...

...John wrote:
<<New in the hobby and have a question.  What is suggested today, as a
medium to use
with a 4 or 5 inch gem saw.  Years ago, had a product called Pela Oil.
remember the manufacturer.  Any suggestion for lubricant for cutting
gem material would be appreciated. J Parrott>>

Pella Oil is still used, and available from a number of the lapidary
supply houses. It is mostly used for high production rate sawing on tough
stuff, like Montana agate, etc indicating it's excellent lubricating
qualities. In my 6" faceters' saw for faceting rough, I use a K-Mart
environmentally friendly "Sierra" antifreeze/coolant, undiluted. It works
fine for my infrequent use on precious rough, and I notice it doesn't
seem to bother my lungs like other saw lubricants do. It protects the saw
parts with rust proofing and it also washes off easily with hand
detergent .. very little odor, some misting. The price is right at <$5 a
gallon. Works for me...

Phil in Florida


Subject: Re: Photos, Phish and Phirst borns (was;Stars, glass, and diamonds)
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 22:37:49 -0500
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Downey <alckytxn@swbell.net>

> Message:07
> Subject: Re: Stars, glass, and diamonds
> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 17:27:46 +0200
> To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
> From: Tom Herbst <herbst@mpia-hd.mpg.de>
> Gearloose asked:
>   > I notice that quite a few gemcutters are also astronomers, for some
> reason!  Two lonely hobbys?
> I've wondered the same. I know of a number of amateurs and at least
> three professional astronomers in our community. My theory: astronomy
> lies at the intersection of physics and philosophy and gemcutting lies
> at the intersection of physics and art. Both select for people who are
> somewhat, but not hopelessly, nerdy. If they were such lonely hobbies,
> who would wear the gems we cut?

In the past I have also noted a relationship between cutters and
photography (I myself have had a B&W darkroom and view camera in the
past). Fits in nicely with the above 'physics/art' comment. BUT I have
also found more than a couple of fishkeepers that are cutters. I used to
raise African and Neotropical cichlids and Jerry Dewbre raised angel
fish (IIRC).

Another fun thing (though of course not scientific since it would be
self-selected) would be to get everyones birth order and Meyers-Briggs
personality type.
I'm first born and usually test INTP though on some tests am broderline
into ISTP and ENTP (as folks age they sometimes compensate for strong
traits). I think there are online tests. Of course - Dr. Leaman(sp?)
would say that 'blended' families make birth order personality typing
tricky at best. And more than 3-4-5 years between siblings can 'reset'
the birth order (especially for an opposite sex) such that most folks
from big families will speak about where the 'split' is among the siblings.

fun stuff

1 Lucky Texan


Subject: Lewis Elrod
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:29:44 +0000
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: "Frank Romano" <romanfj@hotmail.com>

I'm looking for Lewis Elrod.  I lost his email which contained the name of
the jewelry setting/mounting supplier he represented.  Any help would be

Frank Romano
"Gemcutters are Multifaceted Individuals"


Subject: Maine Mineral Update
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:33:08 -0400
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Peter In Maine" <kulaczp@pivot.net>

Thought that I would give everyone a chance to visit my clubs web site
today.  I am the webmaster of this club and can say that if it were not for
Joey and me joining a few years back, we would not be where we are today . I
really push the people I meet to join up. For 15 bucks a family, it is a
cheap way for folks to gain an interest and knowledge of this great hobby.
Check out the field trip page and pictures . We get into private mines all
the time and have just acquired the Dunn Quarry in Greenwood as our home
....Leased it that is....

If anyone needs more information on particular sites , let me know. and I
will be glad to help....Plan on seeing a long article on the Deerhill ,
Eastman Prospect site coming soon......A favorite amethyst site where we
blast  regularly and work with an excavator and dump truck. Last year we
opened up a dozen pockets or so.....

To those that are interested in the Beryl and Maine Minerals , please send
me your addresses and out they will go.
 Mr Moore asked about arbors recently and I have a few left .. They are new
units , in unopened boxes.. Originally from the 1960's EMC #100 and #200
series, sealed bearings, heavy duty cast iron. I purchased them from my
buddy Dan Studley of  Dan and Pat's rock shop in Portland Maine. He just
celebrated his 80th birthday and is still cabbing and running the rock shop
with his wife Pat......Who says rocks are good for you??
 I have  2     1/2" right hand thread.................3     1/2" left hand
thread and     1     5/8" right hand thread........$ 15.oo  bucks gets one ,
plus shipping...

Peter...................Fishen is gettin better


Subject: 330 Epoxy Glue Source.
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:41:44 -0400 (EDT)
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: dojac@webtv.net (Jack Denne)

Received an instant posting from a kind Digest subscriber re the Toronto
Area supply source for 330 Epoxy. It is Lacy & Co. 55 Queen St East
Toronto. I was able to get the last of their stock and they are
re-ordering. They are a Jewellery Supply Store with Findings, Tools etc.
They are organizing their Catelogue Web site at present and have mail
ordering. Thanks again to Karen for her help.   Jack.


Subject: Greetings
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:34:52 -0600
To: "Laps" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "George Mather" <Concordml@msn.com>

Having lived most my life in southern Massachusetts, I can assure you that the
only mineral I ever found that had any value to me was a cat's eye
marble that I found in a school yard back in 1959. Unfortunately, I can't
 prove this since I lost the stupid thing two later.

George Mather, Pastor


Subject: rock magazines
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:50:06 -0700
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "b-daw" <b-daw@pacbell.net>

hello everybody and thurmond!
i am writing today to see if anybody has any suggestions about
rock/mineral/scientific magazine publications.  i am looking for names
of magazines to possibly get an article published for myself on digital
microscopy.  i have already contacted rock and gem, and lapidary
journal/colored stone.  i have received one decline and i just contacted
rock and gem today and bob keller.  i think i have something really
special and the images are outstanding and i would like to share it.  i
also need to link up with researchers of mineralogy and microscopes and
i do know of john koivula.  if anybody has any suggestions for me, i am
all ears!
thurmond, i see i need to spruce up my classified too.  will you direct
me on where to send that?

( owner-lapidary@caprock-spur.com for webpage classifieds. )

for everybody cutting....i have some great honey/champagne/pinkish topaz
crystals on my web page for sale and a great price on green tourmalines,
all sizes.  by next week i will have pink/mauve kunzites up for grabs at
$4/g.  really nice material and always a guarantee.  no order is too
small and there is no minimum purchase.  before i say good-bye to
everybody, i do have a supreme green kunzite crystal for sale.  it is
museum quality for serious collectors and it weighs in at a whopping
430g.  feel free to check out the web page:  www.gemstonesource.com or
email me:  b-daw@pacbell.net

i will be looking for the magazine suggestions from all of you!
so cal









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Subject: [Fwd: Fw: Ten Puns]
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:51:11 -0500
To: IFA Faceter's Digest <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: Downey <alckytxn@swbell.net>

Ten Puns
1. Two vultures board an airplane, each was carrying two dead raccoons.
The stewardess looks at them and says, "I'm sorry, gentlemen, only
one carrion allowed per passenger."

2. Two boll weevils grew up in South Carolina. One went to Hollywood
and became a famous actor. The other stayed behind in the cotton
fields and never amounted to much. The second one, naturally,
became known as the lesser of two weevils.

3. Two Eskimos sitting in a kayak were chilly, but when they lit a
fire in the craft, it sank, proving once again that you can't have
your kayak and heat it, too.

4. A three-legged dog walks into a saloon in the Old West. He slides
up to the bar and announces: "I'm looking for the man who shot my
5. Did you hear about the Buddhist who refused Novocain during a
root canal? He wanted to transcend dental medication.

6. A group of chess enthusiasts checked into a hotel and were
standing in the lobby discussing their recent tournament
victories. After about an hour, the manager came out of the office
and asked them to disperse.  "But why?" they asked, as they moved
off. "Because," he said, "I can't stand chess nuts boasting in an
open foyer."

7. A woman has twins and gives them up for adoption. One of them goes
to a family in Egypt and is named "Ahmal." The other goes to a
family in Spain; they name him "Juan."  Years later, Juan sends a
picture of himself to his birth mother. Upon receiving the
picture, she tells her husband that she ! ;wishes she also had a
picture of Ahmal. Her husband responds, "They're twins! If you've seen
Juan, you've seen Ahmal."

8. These friars were behind on their belfry payments, so they opened
up a small florist shop to raise funds. Since everyone liked to buy
flowers from the men of God, a rival florist across town thought the
competition was unfair. He asked the good fathers to close down,
but they would not.  He went back and begged the friars to close.
They ignored him. So, the rival florist hired Hugh MacTaggart, the
roughest and most vicious thug in town to
"persuade" them to close. Hugh beat up the friars and trashed
their store, saying he'd be back if they didn't  close up
shop.  Terrified, they did so, thereby proving that Hugh, and only
Hugh, can prevent florist friars.
9. Mahatma Gandhi, as you know, walked barefoot most of the time,
which produced an impressive set of  calluses on his feet. He also
ate very little, which made him rather frail and with his odd
diet, he suffered from bad breath. This made him ....what? (Oh,
man, this is so bad, it's good)  A super callused fragile mystic
hexed by halitosis.

10. And finally, there was a man who sent ten different puns to
friends, with the hope that at least one of the puns would make them
laugh.  Unfortunately, no pun in ten did



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