Issue No. 138 - Monday June 2, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
From the Moderator: Hi all, Good digest today.
Several post came in over the weekend. Great
work. Keep it up.

Index to Today's Digest

01  NEW: C axis
02  RE: u-t hard stop
03  RE: Maine Collecting
04  NEW: Question on anodizing
05  RE: Book on garnets
06  RE: Book on garnets
07  NEW: Old UltraTec question
08  FS: Vargas Pol-A-Gem laps


Subject: C axis
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:23:30 -0700 (PDT)
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: dolores peterson <efp70@yahoo.com>

I read so much about orientating a piece of rough in
relation to it's "C" axis, but I have no idea just
what the C axis is???? Can any one explainer this to
Elmer F. Peterson


Subject: Re: u-t hard stop
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 18:07:53 EDT
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Cutugem@aol.com

Hi Dolly and welcome, I will add a bit of personal experience to the fine
succint response by Doug. I had been cutting on a new ut for quite some time and
had an opportunity to purchase a used older which is blue and has the collet
dop holder . Having knowledge of the workings of one I immediatly saw that the
knurled large headed screw that sits on the top and just to the other side of
the head was missing. That screw/bolt is called the fine adjustment knob and
the bottom of that long screw is what the adjustment that Doug talked about
actually bottoms out on. Had I not known I could see that would have given me
fits trying to get it right. Just touching that base. 

Dennis on the North Coast


Subject: Re: Maine Collecting
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 22:55:14 -0700
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: Don Rogers <Don@Campbell-gemstones.com>

At 01:52 PM 5/28/03 -0500, you wrote:
>I was 14 or 15 when I found a beryl crystal in an old mica mine near Paris,

Jon, this brings back memories of my first rock hound trip.  A guy I worked
with in Michigan kept talking about collecting rocks in Maine, and we had a
vacation coming up.  After a lot of preparation and research,  which then
meant packing the car and then when we came to the end of our street asking
the wife which way should we go, we ended up in the Paris areas of
Maine.  One day on the mine dumps and I was hooked.  That was back in 1968
or so.  I never got back there but will never forget the trip.  I still
have a couple of specimens I collected, from Mt Mica, Newery, and some
other spots I forget now.

It is funny, but my first thoughts on Maine was, "who wants to go there, it
must be like the rest of the east coast, New York, Boston, etc."   What a
surprise.  It is one of the many places I have been that really stands out
in my mind and I would like to go back to.  Even after moving to the east
side, Rhinebeck NY, I didn't get back to Maine, it was to close.  One of
these days, I'll get back.  Pick up some more of the tourmaline,
Lapidolite, garnets, and beryl, along with some Dear Island Jasper, and not
to forget, a couple Lobsters.

If it wasn't so cold in the winter, I would gladly move there.



Subject: Question
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 10:29:15 -0400
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "J Wagstaff" <wagstajo@kos.net>

This is a question for some of the experts on the list, as I am sure
there is someone who knows what to do.
I have a problem,  related to facetting, in a round about way.  I have a
Raytech and the finish on the hand piece is worn off wherever you hold
the handpiece.  As the handpiece is cast aluminum, whenever you use it,
your hands and everything you touch (face, loup,papers,coffee cup, etc.)
 gets that black, greasy aluminum film on it.  Is there a type of paint
or something that will bond onto the aluminum, or someway to treat the
aluminum so paint will bond to it?


Subject: RE: Issue No. 136 - Thursday May 29, 2003
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 15:22:13 -0400
To: "Faceters@Caprock-Spur.Com" <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Peter L. Herschman, M.D." <herschm@golden.net>

Subject: Re: Book on garnets
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 00:02:00 -0700
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Phillip L Stonebrook <plstonebrook@juno.com>

Greetings list....

I just "knew" Fred Ward wrote a great book on garnets .. until I tried to
find it in his popular gem series??? No luck at all. I have Schumann's
"Gemstones of the World" which gives a good introductory on garnets, and
Arem's "Color Encyclopedia of Gemstones" that gives a little more in
depth on garnets and some great pictures, but somebody came out with an
"extensive" work on garnets, I think within the last 3 years, which I
can't place. Hopefully this includes the grape colored garnets. Any help
on a title, author, and source will be appreciated.

Phil in Florida


Dear Phil, Arnold, Thurmond and Fellow List Members,

Ah Garnets!! Many a brilliant mind has foundered in trying to organize and
systematize this odd group of stones, so far with incomplete success.
Webster's Gems: Their Sources Descriptions and Identification (Fifth
Edition) is the gemologist's Bible. It has a fine section on Garnets. One of
the more thorough texts is Rouse's Garnets, one of the Butterworth Gem
Series books. Rouse deals quite well with the mixtures of different
constituents in any single garnet. I think these are the better sources,
along with Gems and Gemology, the GIA journal. Dr. Hanneman, well known to
us, wrote a paper on garnets. Most of the out-of-print volumes can be found
in the used book search engines on the Internet. I don't know of more recent

I hope this helps.

Best wishes,

Peter L. Herschman, M.D.


Subject: Garnet Book
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 16:49:00 EDT
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: JerilynPtr@aol.com

Hi Phil,

This is probably the book you are looking for: "Naming Gem Garnets" by Dr.
William Hanneman, 2000.
Catalog no. ZB-4, $20.00 (in an old catalog)

It has a Classification chart showing color related to trade names, R.I. and
historical names. There is a clever cutout and glue together triangle showing
R.I. relative to colors.  There is a listing of GIA's and other's groupings by
R.I. over the years, list and charts of the chemistry of each group and
spectra shown for each group. And much more.

P.O. BOX 942
FAX 360-697-6067


Jerilyn Petersons
In semi-sunny Seattle


Subject: Old UltraTec
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 09:01:03 +0200
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Larry Bima <mlb@adsmr.co.za>

Hi all,

I have a pre-metric UltraTec with a vernier to quarter degrees.
Has anyone out there done a modification to tenths,
e.g. hand drawn sticky label or better?

   Larry Bima    mlb@adsmr.co.za


Subject: Vargas Pol-A-Gem laps announcement
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:16:55 -0700
To: "faceters digest" <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Jerry Newman" <gemartserv@dc.rr.com>

Hi all,   Just wanted to advise that Glenn has just finished producing a
new batch of Cerium Oxide as well as Alumina-B polishing laps and this
time we got him to make both the 8 inch and the 6 inch.
I will have a supply with me at the Ventura Show / Symposium this week,
June 5 thru 8, where we will have a booth. ( also have some new peridot
and tourmaline rough).
Prices for the laps will be as they were:  $70 and $60 respectively for
the 8" and 6". Add $4 each for shipping in the US.  California
destinations will also require $5 and $4 respectively to cover our
needed sales tax.
Several people asked to be placed on a list back in March and April.  We
will make sure that they are taken care of. For those who would like to
receive laps by mail please send check or MO to:    Gemart Services
42-450 Bob Hope Dr.  #203,       Rancho Mirage,    CA     92270
We will start shipping upon our return from Ventura next week.   Thanks
for your interest. Hope to see some of you in Ventura. 

Regards,  Jerry  Newman     

PS   I'll have several faceted Kiev Triangles to show in
different materials.  I've heard that people think it is a pretty
difficult cut.....I would agree with them.  I'm anxious to see the
entries for the Masters Competion   









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Subject: Funny
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 08:36:04 -0300
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Robert <robertplowejr@uol.com.br>

    Got It Too Easy

When I was a kid adults used to bore me to tears with their tedious
diatribes about how hard things were when they were growing up.

What with walking twenty-five miles to school every morning uphill Both
ways through year 'round blizzards carrying their younger siblings on
Their backs to their one-room schoolhouse where they maintained a
straight-A average despite their full-time after-school job at the local
textile mill Where they worked for 35 cents an hour just to help keep
their family from starving to death!

And I remember promising myself that when I grew up there was no way I
was going to lay that on kids about how hard I had it and how easy
they've got it!

But.... Now that I've reached the ripe old age of thirty, I can't help but
Look around and notice the youth of today.

You've got it so easy!
I mean, compared to my childhood, you live in a Utopia!
And I hate to say it but you kids today don't know how good you've Got it!
I mean, when I was a kid we didn't have the Internet. If we wanted to
know something, we had to go to the library and look it up ourselves!

And there was no email! We had to actually write somebody a letter, with
a pen!  And then
You had to walk all the way across the street and put it in the mailbox
and it would take like a week to get there!

And there were no MP3s or Napsters!
If you wanted to steal music, you had to go to the record store and
shoplift it yourself!  Or, we had to wait around all day to tape it off
the Radio and the DJ would usually talk over the beginning and mess it
all up!

You want to hear about hardship?
We didn't have fancy stuff like Call Waiting!  If you were on the Phone
and somebody else called, they got a busy signal! And we didn't have
fancy Caller ID Boxes either!  When the phone rang, you had no idea who
it was, it could be your boss, your Mom, a collections agent, you didn't
You just had to pick it up and take your chances, mister!

And we didn't have any fancy Sony Play station videogames with
high-resolution 3-D graphics!
We had the Atari 2600!  With games like "Space Invaders" And "Asteroids"!
Your guy was a little square!  You had to use your imagination!  And
There were no multiple levels or screens, it was just one screen
forever! And you could never win, the game just kept getting harder and
  Faster until you died!
Just like LIFE!

When you went to the movie theater, there was no such thing as Stadium
seating!  All the seats were the same height!  If a tall guy sat in
Front of you, you watched his hairstyle!

And sure, we had cable television, but back then that was only like 20
channels and there was no onscreen menu!  You had to use a little book
called a TV Guide to find out what was on!
And there was no Cartoon Network! You could only get cartoons on
Saturday morning...
D'ya hear what I'm saying!?! We had to wait ALL WEEK!

That's exactly what I'm talking about!
You kids today have got it too easy.

You're spoiled!
You guys wouldn't last five minutes back in 1984!


Subject: cute
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 14:06:38 -0500
From: Downey <alckytxn@swbell.net>



Subject: [Fwd: birth control - Back Woods]
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 22:52:07 -0500
From: Downey <alckytxn@swbell.net>

Back Woods birth control:

After having their 11th child, a Back Woods couple decided that was enough,
as they could not afford a larger bed.

So the husband went to his veterinarian and told him that he and his
cousin didn't want to have any more children.

The doctor told him that there was a procedure called a vasectomy that
could fix the problem but that it was expensive.

"A less costly alternative," said the doctor, "is to go home, get a
cherry bomb, light it, put it in a beer can, then hold the can up to
your ear and count to 10."

The Individual said to the doctor, "I may not be the smartest tool in
the shed, but I don't see how putting a cherry bomb in a beer can next
to my ear is going
to help me."

"Trust me," said the doctor.

So the man went home, lit a cherry bomb and put it in a beer can.
He held the can up to his ear and began to count:






At which point he paused, placed the beer can between his legs and
resumed counting on his other hand.

This procedure also works for all stupid individuals regardless of their
point of origin or walk in life.



Patience is the companion of wisdom.



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