Issue No. 174 - Friday July 25, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
Hi all,

Good list again today. Keep those post coming in
this weekend. See everyone Monday.


Index to Today's Digest

01  RE: Finding lost stones, etc.
02  RE: Repetitive Motion injuries and faceting
03  RE: Jamb Peg Kit assembler; where to get one.
04  RE: Worst faceting experience
05  RE: Repetitive Motion injuries and faceting
06  RE: Free Internet Sites Posts
07  RE: Free Internet Sites Posts
08  RE: Repetitive Motion injuries and faceting
09  NEW: Microscope
10  RE: Worst cutting experiences


Subject: Finding lost stones, etc.
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 21:31:04 -0400
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: "Jonathan L. Rolfe" <webmaster@gearloose.com>

At 08:14 PM 7/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>The rule in the
>shop was that if you lost a stone, you had to find it before you could
>do any more cutting.  Sadly, the carpet (yes, carpet!) in the shop was a
>beautiful peridot green!

It could have been worse.  I have four cats.  Since they like to watch
Daddy in the shop, there is a litter box there.  Small gold items and
flying stones ALWAYS leap into it..It must be a Sideways Gravity Thing.
I consider it a "Mine Run" Gem Gravel Mine.
My wife has caught me going through it on more than  one occasion.
On one, I could not resist the temptation of offering her a bite of a
Tootsie Roll I had palmed.
But we have been together so long, she merely shrugged and walked away....


Subject: Re: carpal tunnel syndrome?
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:43:01 -0700
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: Tony <lightbender@thegemdoctor.com>

Hello Dave,

I agree with Thurmond, after some 20 years of cutting I acquired
a mouse equipped computer and quickly developed CTS and/or
bursitis, very painful. I soon bought a trackball and have had
no problems since. I am a commercial cutter so I spend hours
every day at my machine. I noticed no ill effects from this or
using a trackball in the following 10 years.



Subject: Re: Issue No. 171 - Tuesday July 22, 2003
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 22:29:07 EDT
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Clabe@aol.com

In a message dated 7/22/2003 7:26:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lapidary@caprock-spur.com writes:
Just a note to let those interested know Jerry
Wykoff is well and will be introducing his patented
Calibrated Jamb Peg machine in an all metal kit that
can be assembled  in about 1/2 hour by a 12 year old .
He said he is waiting on the final castings.

Sure Thurmond now where do we get the twelve year old?      Bill


Good question Bill,  I was hoping Jerry would be providing that
information along with the rest. I sure don't have the time or
inclination to grow one from scratch. Renting or borrowing one
is the best solution I can come up with for now.



Subject: Faceting Experiences....
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 22:30:37 -0500
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Rich" <richtherm@bluemarble.net>

Before I start, feel free to laugh....  I do.

A couple years ago I got into a real bad habit of cooling stones in an
unconventional way after I would pull it away from the dop stick after
heating it to soften the wax.  The stones were never too hot, just warm.

Well, I had come by some real pretty but small red spineI and had just
cut a 4mm that looked to be a flawless stone and could see it sparkle
even while it was attached to the dop, I couldn't wait to see what it
looked like without the loss because of being on the dop.  I proceeded
to heat the dop until the wax gave up and instantly used my new habit of
cooling the stone.........  By popping it into my mouth.....  This time
however, the process became a little more extended.  It went down a heck
of a lot easier than a dry aspirin!  Needless to say, I never even
looked for that one, and, I now just hold the stone between my fingers
after it comes off the dop.

Rich Ashcraft
Lyons, IN


That is a good one Rich, Thanks


Subject: Carpal Tunnel
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 22:36:34 -0700
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Woody" <gwwgem@astound.net>

I have seen no sign of repetitive motion problems in faceting. If you
are at the right height sitting at our faceter so that you are not
holding your wrist at a high angle you should be fine. Let your laps do
the work, do not force the work. I spent part of my working life
watching safety issues and pushed people to use the right height
keyboard and use a good chair at the right height. I have done a very
large amount of typeing and even with my bad hands have never  had
problem with my wrists. Set at the right height and do not force your
work and you should not have any problem.
Concord, CA


Subject: Questions asked answers given re Gerry;
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:55:11 -0700
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Jerry Hughes <jerry@deltaonelapidary.com>

Lets see Im 68 years old and my Grandfather started me cutting Montana
Moss  at age 10 I have gone on to become a Gemologest ,cab cutter.
Facetor.Gem miner,  manufacture of jewelry, smith,Retail store owner,now
a retail web dealer and have a lapidary school for kids ( free). At times
I contact People off this and other  sites to give advice and tell them
where they might find what their looking for.Yes on my web site.I also
when I write to this and other sites use my co name and web address in
case someone might like to take a look.who knows we might have
something you might need. I deal with the public and I some times
wonder if some hobbyist don't think they walk on water and all dealers
are scum. I know who I depended on to buy the products I sell . Where
do you get the products you use? this is a economic system that works
only in a circle.I fully respect hobby cutters. I also  know the people that
build the machines, mine the rough and retail what you need. I just came
back from a special dig for artists only and I was honored to be invited.
should this list be only for the exalted ones? Who would they be? Shall
we loose 58 years of experience How many people who give advice here
have sold a stone or a piece of equipment.
Just so I can get my name and co. in front of you.

Jerry Hughes
Delta One Lapidary
Waldport OR
Thanks all for letting me rant.


Subject: Advertising on the Digest
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:03:37 +0930
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Eric <EricWD@bigpond.com>

I think that a member of this digest should be able to advertise his no longer
wanted machine, A quantity of rough to large to cut himself, His final product if
he can get it away from his partner, and his services if he should need to.
However garnishing email addresses form the list and using them for his
advertising needs should be OUT. I have advertised on the list. Those that did
not like it could pass or erase it. Thurmond would pass it if it was all
pervading anyway. But those among us who garnish from the list and Spam us are a
total pest.

Anyone like to buy a slightly used 50+ lady with lots of jewellery and a
discerning eye for the best?

Eric from OZ


Hi Eric, Any one found to be harvesting e-mail addresses would be
immediately removed from the list and severely delt with. Any member is
free to advertise on list as always.



Subject: re: Numb Index Finger
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 00:33:56 -0700
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Bob" <knapper@napanet.net>

Hi Paul,    I hold the stone to the lap with my left hand. My right
guides the quill, to make sure I don't sweep off the lap, as I move the
stone back and forth. Be careful of your left thumbnail. For me, that's
what comes closest to the lap.
Napa Valley


Subject: Microscope
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:35:51 EDT
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: JerilynPtr@aol.com

Hello to the list,

About two years ago there was a mention of a microscope intended, I think,
for children. I don't remember the company, just that it was a specimen scope,
great for looking at stones and the price was right.  A friend wants one for
his son.  Can someone help me out?

Jerilyn Petersons
In sunny Kirkland Washington


Hi Jerilyn,  If it was an electronic scope that connected to a PC
then it was an Intel "Play" product. Although they have been discontinued
I still see them on e-bay. Bear in mind that they only work with Windows 98
and will NOT work with anything else.



Subject: Re: Issue No. 172 - Wednesday July 23, 2003
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:36:23 +0000
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: "Carl Childers" <cachilde@hotmail.com>

Hi Thurmond...   Enough stuff already about machines.  I will remind our
lapidary friends ;
the finest black and red Alpine plume I ever cut was quickly broken into 4
parts as soon as it hit the concrete. My stupid mistake.      and     the
wrong index chosen by me caused a beutiful beryl  emerald cut  ...    turned
out to be as ugly as mud between the toes..   I still love the hobby....we
can still enjoy LAPIDARY without letting small things get in the way...  
Carl Childers


Hi Carl, Great to have you posting. You should do it more often.










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Two monks on a pilgrimage came to the ford of a river.  There they
saw a girl dressed in all her finery, obviously now knowing what to do
since the river was high and she did not want to spoil her clothes.
Without more ado, one of the monks took her on his back, carried her
across and put her down on dry ground on the other side.

Then the monks continued on their way.  But the other monk after an
hour started complaining, "Surely it is not right to touch a woman; it
is against the commandments to have close contact with women.  How could
you go against the rules for monks?"

The monk who had carried the girl walked along silently, but
finally he remarked, "I set her down by the river an hour ago, why are
you still carrying her?"
-- Irmgard Schloegl, The Wisdom of Zen Masters



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