Issue No. 169 - Friday July 18, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
Hi all,

Good list today. Keep up the post. Have a great
weekend. See you all Monday.


Index to Today's Digest

01  RE: Plastics and machinery
02  NEW: Jampeg
03  NEW: Please put me on lapidary listing
04  RE: Reputable Rough Dealers
05  RE: Mine Run"=Bad Word.
06  RE: Reputable Rough Dealers
07  NEW: Lurker (first post)


Subject: Here Bee Plasticke.
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 19:42:28 -0400
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: "Jonathan L. Rolfe" <webmaster@gearloose.com>

>   Mine also had slop and wobble due to the threads being
>badly worn. Soooooo  I took that apart and found a couple of set screws
>PLASTIC threads in place. There is a threaded piece of plastic near the
>top and
>one near the bottom.

<MASSACHUSETTS COLONY MODE> Wytche!!  Heire bee a  Wytche!!

But seriously, there is plastic, and there is plastic.  Some materials like
Delrin and PEEK can outlast metal in applications where abrasive dusts are
present.  But most plastics, like polycarbonates, acrylics, acetates,
butyrates, vinyls, and even some nylons are best reserved for use in toys
and disposable lighters.  So while "Plastic" usually generates
contempt..."It all Depends".   I often think of the plastic tie rod ends in
my Ford whenever I exceed 80 MPH and ponder Eternity.
  One case, however, that I consider  "Ye Unforgivable Crime
Against  Engineering, Not To Be Mentioned yn The Presence of ye Righteous"
is the use of plastic (Nylon) sleeve bearings in
facetmachine  bearings.  If a manufacturer spendeth not a Guinea on a
sealed ball bearing, they deserve the Ducking Stool and the tender
attentions of Cotton Mather.
And remember: I do not manufacture machines, and have no axe to grind - It
is just one of those personal quirks, like fingernails on a blackboard,
that afflycts me with raging daemons.


Subject: [Fwd: Jampeg]
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:32:27 -0400
To: Lapidary Arts and Faceters Digest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Kreigh Tomaszewski <Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net>
Cc: Tom <tmiller2.2@juno.com>

I had an interesting question posed to me today about jam peg faceting
that I don't have the experience/background to answer. I did find some
pictures of jam peg faceting and equipment at
for a starting point, and am hoping some of the experts on this list can
provide an explanation of jam peg faceting procedures and equipment. It
would be appreciated if you copied Tom, who posed the question, on your
replies to the list.

Thanks for helping!


    Dear Sir ,
I can not afford a faceting machine,is there anyway to build a jampeg? I
am in dire need of someway to do some faceting.]
    Do you have any other ideas on this matter?
            Thank you for your time and consideration.
    Sincerely,Tom Miller tmiller2.2@juno.com


Hi Kreigh,  Gerald Wykoff was selling a CD on e-bay sometime
back on bulding a calibrated Jamb Peg Faceting maching. I just
did a search on e-bay and didn't turn up anything but I forwarded
Mr. Millers request to Gerry directly. Unfortunately Gerry's e-mail address
that I had is no longer active. I hope he is well but he was in bad health
so I fear the worst. Does anyone know any information on Gerald Wykoff.


Subject: Please put me on lapidary listing
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 19:06:21 -0600
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Georgia Mayer" <geomayer@wyoming.com>

Please put me on the lapidary listing since I do not facet.


Hi Georgia,  There is no seperate list anymore. This list
is appropriate for ALL Lapidary topics as it was begun several
years ago to fill the void when Hale Sweeny's "Lapidary Digest"
ceased publication. Please feel free to ask any lapidary questions
or to comment on any lapidary topics.



Subject: Reputable Rough Dealers
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:24:19 -0500
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "MR" <rugroden@attbi.com>

Since we're sharing names, let me add Gem Resources to the list.  I was
friends with the founder, Brian Kvasnik.  He'd come back from a buying
trip to the Far, Middle, and Near East and call me to come over and see
what he bought.  We'd sit at a big round table for hours giggling like
little kids looking at these big piles of cool rocks  Every once in a
while he'd lean over and drop one in my shirt pocket, wink and tell me
to take it home and cut something nice with it.  He died a few years ago
from viral pneumonia after coming home from a buying trip.  I really
miss him.  He's also responsible for getting me started.  He used to
give me small bags of sapphires to practice on and he let me use every
machine in his collection of faceting machines.  That's how I got hooked
on the Facette. =20

His lady, Shirley, now owns Gem Resources Inc.  They have some great
rough.  You can reach her or her partner Chat at 800 588 8515



Subject: Re: Issue No. 168 - Thursday July 17, 2003
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:01:06 -0400
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Kreigh Tomaszewski <Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net>

LapidaryArtsDigest wrote:
> __________________________________________________________
> Message:04
> Subject: "Mine Run"=Bad Word.
> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:25:55 -0400
> To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
> From: "Jonathan L. Rolfe" <webmaster@gearloose.com>
> At 05:56 PM 7/16/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >What if, all of a sudden, you, as a faceter, had a year's
> >output of Tanzanite rough or approximately 13,000 kgs of mine run material?
> I always felt "Mine Run" meant they took one look at the rough and
> RAN  away from the mine.  IMO and some experience, it is a BAD WORD.
> We all know damned well that No One is going to sell rough without looking
> at it. And so is the next in line....  By the time it gets near us,
> anything cuttable is a distant memory.

"Mine Run" should imply that a random skip up from the mine is shoveled
into lots and sold. You should have the same chance of finding something
spectacular as the mine owner.

I have an acquaintence with access to a tourmaline mine that sells 'mine
run'. He and his partner go down in the mine, find a pocket that has
good stuff, and start loading up. When they have a full load they bring
it up, dump it into a pile, and start shoveling it into giant zip-lock
bags (about 5/1 lb each). If they happen to notice something spectacular
as they are shoveling, that shovel full, and the next one, go into their
own pile. Otherwise there is no screening; they finish taking their
"miner's share" by randomly selecting filled bags. Other than this, what
they sell really is 'mine run' (and I could argue it is 'better mine
run' since they know what they are doing and only bring up the better
stuff to begin with).

I have also purchased 'mine run' on occasion from a number of other
locations for various minerals, always through a reputable dealer, and
had similar positive results. Maybe my expectations are low, but I only
expect to find one (or maybe two) cuttable rock(s) per lot at best, a
handful of collectable/saleable/tradeable thumbnail specimens, some of
filler for the tumbler that will produce some interesting stones, and
about 1/2 gravel. I don't expect anything spectacular unless I purchase
more than 10 lots (and even then, it is 50/50), but I do expect any
three lots to repay my investment with profit; buying a single lot is a
long shot, but it should still produce a few good specimens that repay
the investment at worst.

So I would agree that some hi-grading occurs in most 'mine run'. But I
would also argue that 'mine run' from reputable dealers still is a
value, and has a better chance of 'winning' than buying a lottery
ticket. YMMV.



Subject: Re: Issue No. 168 - Thursday July 17, 2003
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:38:27 -0600
To: "Laps" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "George Mather" <Concordml@msn.com>

I agree that we should share our information about reputable rough dealers.
I too bought Doug Turet and similarly was pleased. I also buy from
Brian Norton in South Africa and has never been disappointed. He sends the
rough, then allows me to examine the stones before sending him the money.
I hope this information can be shared and I can find other dealers. I'm
looking for a good distributor for emeralds and rubies. Any suggestions?


Subject: Lurker
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:09:07 -0700
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Bob Boston" <rvb@ihot.com>

I confess I'm a lurker. I haven't posted anything because I haven't
started faceting yet. I purchased a used Mark IV facetor a while back,
but haven't had time yet to set it up and try it out. Over the years, I
have cut many cabs and am very familiar with that process  but faceting
will be an adventure. I do look forward to every digest and hopefully
have learned a bit to help me when I do start faceting. I really
appreciate the many helpfull digest submissions. (And helpfull webpages
such as Gearloose's). I too, miss Mark Liccini. I bought quite a bit of
rough from him and always found him to be honest and a real pleasure to
deal with.
Bob Boston


Hi Bob,  Thanks for your first post. One point, however, needs to be stated.
The appropriate topics for this list are all Facets of Lapidary (Pun Intended).
Please share any of your other lapidary experiences with us as well.










PERSONALS: (General Lapidary and Faceting)






Lurking is fine, but participation is better for learning !
Post something from your experiences in gemcutting today!


You Know You've Turned Into a Mom When...

You automatically double-knot everything you tie.

You find yourself humming the Barney song as you do the dishes.

You hear a baby cry in the grocery store, and you start to gently
sway back and forth, back and forth. However, your children are
at school!

You actually start to like the smell of strained carrots mixed with

You weep through the scene in Dumbo when his mom is taken
away, not to mention what Bambi does to you.

You get soooo into crafts you contemplate writing a book called
101 Fun Crafts to do with Dryer Lint and Eggshells.

You spend a half hour searching for your sunglasses only to have
your teenager say, "Mom, why don't you wear the ones you pushed
up on your head?"

You are out for a nice romantic meal with your husband, enjoying
some real adult conversation, when suddenly you realize that you've
reached over and started to cut up his steak!



I heard about a group of Geography students who studied the Seven
Wonders of the World.  At the end of that section, they students were
asked to list what they each considered to be the Seven Wonders of the
World.  Though there was some disagreement, the following got the most
votes:  Egypt's Great Pyramid, the Taj Mahal, the Grand Canyon, the
Panama Canal, the Empire State Building, St. Peter's Basilica and
China's Great Wall.

     While gathering the votes, the teacher noted that one student, a
quiet girl, hadn't turned in her paper yet.  So she asked the girl if
she was having trouble with her list.  The quiet girl replied, "Yes, a
little. I couldn't quite make up my mind because there were so many."

     The teacher said, "Well, tell us what you have, and maybe we can
help." The girl hesitated, then read, "I think the Seven Wonders of the
World are to touch and to taste, to see and to hear . . . "  She
hesitated a little, "and then to run and to laugh and to love."


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