Issue No. 168 - Thursday July 17, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
Hi all,

Good list today. Keep up the post.


Index to Today's Digest

01  RE: a theoretical question
03  RE: Terries ut/sapphire
04  RE: "Mine Run"=Bad Word
05  RE: Reputable Rough Dealers
06  RE: Biggest Ring?
07  RE: Raytech is Still Around
08  NEW:  In the news.


Subject: a theoretical question
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:41:34 -0700
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "dpc" <bouver@earthlink.net>

Hello John,

Good to talk to you again. It's been quite some time.

In regards to your theoretical question of how to cut massive amounts of
rough materials I can give a "little" insight. When a friend and I
approached a major US retailer with essentially the same question we
were somewhat surprised with their response. You might expect that they
would ask for something "unusual" or "different" to have an edge over
their competitors. But, in fact, what they wanted was sales. If it
didn't sell with a known track record they weren't the least interested.
Conventional retailers are not innovators and they don't want to be.
They play the game safe so that they can predict with some degree of
efficiency their profit margins. So the answer is cut the bulk of the
material in standard cuts that the average consumer is most familiar
with. There is always the few kilos that beg for extra attention. This
material is cut for designers and collectors. Well, that's what we

Dale, in S. Cal.


Subject: CLARIFY
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:10:11 EDT
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Tymib@aol.com

Boy, the past two days i have felt like a murky mess....  Here be another
post i would like to clarify (yesterday's post).
1) I did not mean to ever imply that i thought facet machine manufactures
were charging an unreasonable price... in view of the volume of sales and
requirements for rigid tolerances, i am surprised that the prices are not a bit
BUT I WOULD rather pay a bit more and have all the bugs out!

2) I do not expect anything for nothing.  I have NEVER in my life sent a bit
of rough back (and in the Opal business that equals approximately $3000 worth
of rough thrown out so far) or had a machine serviced under warranty, and
prolly never will.  I did not mean to imply that UT should have done a thing for
free under the circumstances.  I totally BELIEVE they should have made a real
effort to HELP.
If you really want to learn about people, try remodeling housing sometime.  I
am not an expert facetor, but i am not a naive babe in the woods either.  I
deal with customers constantly, I charge very well for my work, but part of
that is due to the need to satisfy.  I have occassionally several contracts
running at once worth several hundred thousand dollars each - even with excellent
workman there is no way problems will not arise, and guess what- the customer
is always right (almost :).  I also know where to draw the line, but i do it
with grace and patient explanation and review - in 30 years i have not had one
customer who did not give me a good recommendation in the end, whether i ate 10
grand or they did.  I have also never had to go to court, on either side of
the bar, and in this business that is pretty rare.  It is about ATTITUDE sirs
... 99.9% of the time.



Subject: Re: Terries ut/sapphire
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:15:31 EDT
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Cutugem@aol.com

I was not aware that the major problem with terries unit was a worn worm
screw threads. I purchased a used ut awhile back as a back up and recieved a blue
unit that has the old collett head.  That works well enough and I use a small
crescent wrench (Kentucky do-all tool) to snug it just a tad. It had no 45
degree table adaptor so i copied the one I have for my new one and instead of
slipping over the quill I had a dowel pin located in the angled end and insert
that into the collett and that works just fine .  Now---to the supposed problem
with Terries unit.  Mine also had slop and wobble due to the threads being
badly worn. Soooooo  I took that apart and found a couple of set screws holding
PLASTIC threads in place. There is a threaded piece of plastic near the top and
one near the bottom. I almost spit out my teeth when I saw plastic. Needless
to say a really good goomba simply cut me a new set of thread inserts (they
are metric) out of STAINLESS and I popped those suckers in and tightened down on
the holding set screws on the top and badda boom badda bing my blue ut is up
and fixed and cuts stones as straight as my new unit even to the point of even
girdles. All said short of fixing the blankety blank angle spring it is
possible to resurrect a slightly worn unit without having it costing an arm and a
leg. Now if I can just figure out all the electronic jargon and decipher just
where Jon is picturing to place the operating tang I will have my datel up and
running and then the (chintz spring) won't matter anymore. I will be
contacting terrie off list to bring her up to speed. 

Dennis on the North Coast


Subject: "Mine Run"=Bad Word.
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:25:55 -0400
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: "Jonathan L. Rolfe" <webmaster@gearloose.com>

At 05:56 PM 7/16/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>What if, all of a sudden, you, as a faceter, had a year's
>output of Tanzanite rough or approximately 13,000 kgs of mine run material?

I always felt "Mine Run" meant they took one look at the rough and
RAN  away from the mine.  IMO and some experience, it is a BAD WORD.
We all know damned well that No One is going to sell rough without looking
at it. And so is the next in line....  By the time it gets near us,
anything cuttable is a distant memory.  These sweepings, sharps, splinters,
and otherwise undoppable materials have to be disposed of somehow.  OK,
what word can we think of, other than "Junk" or "Facet Grade" that,   like
the long standing model used in Contract Law, of the fine print on the back
of a telegram which in essence promises absolutely _nothing_?
How about "It came from the ground that way"?
In other words, "Mine Run"...You know, it _might_ be facetable, it _might_
be junk.  Guess which one it will be, unless all the sellers in line are
But that's just me.  It only takes one purchase of "Mine Run" to make even
the mellowest, sweetest, most reasonable person go nuts at the sound of the
term!!!  So maybe your luck could be different, but I think that lottery
ticket odds are better, and a lot cheaper to buy.


Subject: Reputable Rough Dealers
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:12:39 -0700
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: TA Masters <tam2819@cox.net>

I totally agree with Thurmond, discretion is the best policy in online
comments. As time goes on, we become aware of posters, their sincerity,
and vv.

I love to praise where praise is due, and yes I have needled at times,
usually when I am about to burst in the slip stream of inflated ego.
This is when I discover new friends.

I know from Jon's posting how the best among us can be fooled and not
necessarily with intent. I personally will buy from people I implicitly
trust, people I know that know stones inside and out. Then I feel safe
in buying from them. Doug Turet is one such person and has well earned
my trust. Robert Lowe in Brazil is another. Jerry Newman, Gerry Pauley
in Australia.

I am sure all of you online have names to add to the positive list.
Perhaps this is the time to share these names, I've given you mine. In
the past this information was guarded so as to avoid competition.
Internet has opened up Jewelry as never before thanks to Dr. Ed Aspler
(Hanuman) and Orchid. Tips are openly shared, formulas, alloys, nothing
is as it was before. The same can be done here. Ask and you shall
receive. I far more enjoy the positive rather than the negative.

Too many with little stone history at all now can set up shop, buy and
resell. This is where we need to take responsibility and know what we
are buying, where it came from, and full disclosure. I lament the loss
of Mark Liccini, he was an asset to the entire community. Carol Bova
(Eclectic Lapidary) has inventory from Mark and also can be well trusted.



Subject: RE: Biggest Ring?
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:31:58 -0500
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: gembin <gembin@spiff.net>

HI All,

<< What's the largest ring size you ever made for a person to wear on
his finger...  8, 9, 10, larger? >>

Several days ago I posted about Maneke Jewelers ordering and displaying
(in their store) an exact replica of a Masonic fraternity ring that was
given to "Alton's Gentle Giant", Robert Wadlow 6 days before he died in
1940. Charlie Maneke gave me permission to take pictures of the ring. I
didn't have the courage to ask Charlie if I could put the $6,000.00 ring
in my pocket and take it home to take the pictures in my light box! ha!
ha! I have emailed pictures to many that emailed me requesting the
pictures. If any more of you wish to receive the pictures, email me.
I'll be happy to email them to you.

Also, many thanks to you that have already replied thanking me for
sending the pictures. Glad you like them. :-)

Doug "Rhodolite" Smith
Alton, Illinois, USA (where on a clear day you can stand on Alton's
hills and plainly see the St. Louis ARCH [gleaming in the sun] 20 miles


Subject: Raytech is Still Around
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:23:45 -0700
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: Rob Kulakofsky <rob@facetingmachines.com>

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to clarify that Raytech isn't out of business, they just
discontinued producing their faceting machine.

Dops, index gears, etc. are still available (except handpieces) and they
still offer repair service for the machines.

As Jon Rolfe surmised, the bean counters at Raytech decided they could make
more money producing other lapidary equipment.

Rob Kulakofsky
Mineral Specimens, Lapidary Equipment and Cutting Rough 


Subject: Telegraph | News | Fossil of 'Nessie monster' trips up pensioner
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:52:49 -0500
From: Downey <alckytxn@swbell.net>



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