Issue No. 164 - Friday July 11, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
Hi all,

Good list today. Three times the number of
post for today would be nice for Monday. :)


Index to Today's Digest

01  NEW: I'm Back From NC !  Little Pine Garnet Mine.
02  RE: Ultra Tec and Me
03  RE: Corian Laps
04  RE: Corian Laps
05  RE: Corian Laps
06  NEW: Recut Ruby. (Picture Links)
07  NEW: Ammonite polishing. I need an expert.


Subject: I'm Back From NC !
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:14:08 -0500
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Carl Mauritz" <gemhunte@frontiernet.net>

Hi Every One,

I'm back home from Vacation in North Carolina. There is a group of us from
Mcrocks Board that get together every time I go down there. We had a great
time and found lots of material to cut. As for our get together we went to
the Little Pine Garnet Mine and every one found lots of Garnets. you can
read all about my trip and see pictures of it at :
http://www.huntforgems.com/report03.html Have fun reading this and I have to
get back to Faceting :O)> KOR

Warm regards
Carl Mauritz


Subject: Ultra Tec and Me
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:37:43 -0700
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: TA Masters <tam2819@cox.net>

I had not planned to say any more on this issue, since immediately after
dealing with Mr. Rubin's "Customer Service," I knew I would vote with my

I knew exactly what I had as several at the Symposium immediately
identified it, and a couple are still using theirs. at least one an
award winner. No sense in using names here, I am not trying to win a war.

Gerry, this machine was given the works by Jon Rolfe, he did not
ridicule it at all. Doug Turet is younger than my machine, and
personally uses his extremely well, and he gives it more of a workout
than anyone on any list. It works for him and he thinks enough about it
to sell the machine. He is my good friend and I understand exactly where
he is coming from, and that is OK.

Tom Nuchols has offered to send me the "key" this style dop needs, and I
already knew UT had cut production, so I more than appreciate that and
need to send Tom my address.

To me Customer Service is the prime reason I choose anything I buy.
Sears policy on tires keeps me coming back, ditto Sony, HP, Apple. To
this point because of personal and friends treatments by Graves,
Facetron and now UT. I will never have any of these darken my door. On
the other hand, MDR and Bob Livingston could give classes to other
manufacturers on responsibility. As I have a factory reconditioned MDR
sitting in my garage, I may just find someone locally to unmount it from
the large desk it sits in and make it portable for ease of use, and
simply use it. That was Doug's original suggestion.

The UT/Stanley  is for sale at $600. plus shipping. It has an incredible
amount of dops with it, and some stuff I cannot identify. Laps I am not
sure about which are still good or not. I know I will buy a couple more
of Jon Rolfe's Batt Laps and reduce the number I must have for my MDR.

'nuf said and thanks to all that commented.


Subject: Re: Issue No. 163 - Thursday July 10, 2003
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:25:02 EDT
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Clabe@aol.com

In a message dated 7/10/2003 2:33:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lapidary@caprock-spur.com writes:
I figure that I can make and sell these for much less then what
I have seen them selling for online. Contact me with all specs. at
Bach2775@RCN.com if your interested.

Tried that, cabinet corian isn't controled density even after trueing on a
lathe they wobble like crazy.


Subject: RE: Corian laps
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:22:21 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Mark Bachert" <Bach2775@RCN.com>

Thanks Thurmond for fixing the mail problem.

I had so many responses for the corian laps that I had no time to  reply to
all of the individual emails just yet. For those of you who have not
received a reply I must apologize and hope that this post covers all your
questions.  If not I will be replying to all of your questions soon.
I spoke to my supervisor again today and everything is a go. The only
problem is that after coming home tonight, I was slightly overwhelmed with
Emails concerning the Corian laps.  I shouldn't have a problem manufacturing
around 20 a week in my spare time after work. I would however have to
purchase full sheets of the material at close to cost in order to fulfill
the demand. No problem i was going to take on a second job for a few months
anyway, now perhaps I won't have to. The least expensive I have seen the
corian laps online for is $48 each. After costs and labor I should be able
to sell for between $20 and $25 each for the laps. I may even be able to do
a little better then that I'm not sure until I know exactly what this
material will cost. The end product will be as good if not better then what
you currently use. I also would have to ask that you send exact measurements
to fit your machine (Arbor hole, Diameter and thickness 1/4" or 1/2" only)
For each will be built custom to your specifications.
Thanks again for your replies


Subject: Re: Corian laps
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:08:51 -0700
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: Tony <lightbender@thegemdoctor.com>

Hello Mark,

I have a Corian lap but I realised it wasn't an important part of
my faceting arsenal when I tried polishing some Jadeite flats on
it. I quickly discovered I was getting an agate polish on a
stone that would orange peel badly using conventional polishing
(cab) techniques. I have since reshaped my lap by cutting 1/2
round grooves in it of different radii for small or large cabs.
I can put an amazing polish on Jadeite and Nephrite and
polishing Star Corundum is now a trivial operation.

I have also shown a stone carver friend the results and he was
very impressed. The next time we met he showed me some
beautifully polished Nephrite carvings that he prepolished and
polished using Corian bits that he made. The secret to well
polished carvings is having the polishing bits the same shape
and size as the cutting ones and Corian holds diamond well and
is easily shaped if you know how. I don't. I used my Foredom and
a burr to cut my grooved lap whilst spinning it on my faceting
machine. I'm sure you can imagine the mess I made. I'd rather
someone else did that for me.



From: "Rich" <richtherm@bluemarble.net>
To: "Thurmond Moore" <redmud@caprock-spur.com>
Subject: Recut Ruby.
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:27:37 -0500

Hello Thurmond,

I just finished up possibly the most hair pulling job I have ever taken
on.  A gentleman sent me a 7.57 C perfect ruby, except it had a bad
crack through the crown to the second step cut (it was originally a
native cut) on the pavilion.  My only hope was to lop off the crown just
below the crack and try to get good recovery out of the remaining
pavilion.  Needless to say, it took me 6 months of looking at the thing
before getting the nerve up to cut it.

Well, the cracked crown removal lost me 3.45 Cs and the saw took out .7 cs. 
Final stone weight was a 1.9 C flawless ruby except for a few extra
facets right at the CI to close off the original native culet.  I'm
going to cut the 3.45 Cs of removed crown into bags to surround the main
stone on a ring.

This stone almost broke my will.  But after it was finished, it was
almost like being a father again.

I have included before and after pics.  Just had to share with somebody.

Before:   http://www.gemcutters.org/showcase/images/before.jpg

After:  http://www.gemcutters.org/showcase/images/final_ruby.jpg

Rich Ashcraft
Lyons, IN


Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 23:02:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: "J. Hendrick" <coolfindz@yahoo.com>
Subject: Ammonite polishing. I need an expert.
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com

Hello Thurmond. I am an ammonite collector. I am seeking a current or
former student/friend of yours in the Dallas/Ft.Worth area to help me. I
seek their lapidary/polishing skills.  I will pay them for their services. If you
know of anyone please have them contact me. Thank you Thurmond very
much for any time or info you can give me.
Jade Hendrick
972-678-0940 or
email me at  coolfindz@yahoo.com









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