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LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST
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Issue No. 162 - Wednesday July 9, 2003
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Index to Today's Digest

01  RE: Stanley/ultratec/?
02  RE: Bigest Ring??
03  NEW: Off the Dop: Sapphire rampage.
04  RE: Stanley/ultratec/?
05  RE: Hans and the Tin/Lead
06  RE: Ultra-Tec

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Message:01

Subject: Re: Issue No. 161 - Tuesday July 8, 2003
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 14:51:41 EDT
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: PANACHEGEMS@cs.com

Joe Rubin is the Owner of Ultra Tech. Have dealt with him in the past, no
problem. It may be Jr. you are dealing with. Ask for Gus Munoz (SP) He pretty
well runs the place. I heard the kids did not want to fool with the Ultra-Techs
as that is not there main product. When the kids took over is when the price
went up as from what I understood at the time was they wanted to price there
selves out of the market.
I bought an Ultra-Tech with every attachment on it that could be bought for
1400.00. It belonged to there Fla. Sales Rep. I watched him open the box at a
show, put it together, cut about six stones (demonstration). The last day of
the show he said, man I hate to take this thing apart and repack it, I said how
much? I walked out with it. I used it for about four years, I kept it
spotless, had it Factory Calibrated twice by Gus. I sold it two years ago for
2800.00.
DO NOT Quote me on this, these are things I read and heard. (DISCLAIMER)
AC Hughes


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Message:02

Subject: Re: Issue No. 161 - Tuesday July 8, 2003
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:01:57 EDT
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: PANACHEGEMS@cs.com

I think I may have a picture of it somewhere, I'll see. I made a "Ladies"
Ring about eight years ago size 16-1/2 with a 75ct. Freeform cut, Gem Quality
Ametrine in it. Don't laugh the thing was spectacular to look at. The Lady went
nuts over it and never questioned the price when I handed it to her. I told her
from the beginning that I could not even give her a Ball Park quote until I
had the stone in.
AC Hughes

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Message:03

Subject: Off the Dop: Sapphire rampage.
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 16:38:29 -0400
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: "Jonathan L. Rolfe" <webmaster@gearloose.com>

I am dedicating a new page to keep all my "Two Lap" stones separate from
the decades-old horrible videocam and  frame grabber pictures.
The two-lap stones have been cut ONLY with a #600 plated lap and a Redwing
BATT.
This holiday weekend I finally had some time off to do some cutting, and a
relaxing way to do it that involved grabbing a beer and jumping in the pool
while waiting the epoxy to set.

So, I cut seven stones.  The Nigerian Sapphire of  1.3 carats is flawless
under 20 binocular microscope with the exception of a light color
band.  Glad it's there, otherwise it would look fake.  Rough from Jackson's
Gems.  The four Aussie sapphires and the silver topaz were Just For Fun.
The round Montana sapphire is from old stock I hoarded for fifteen years:
My wife had been looking at it for a long time and finally claimed it.
http://www.battlap.info/redstones.html

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Message:04

Subject: That mongrel machine.
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 16:47:18 -0400
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: "Jonathan L. Rolfe" <webmaster@gearloose.com>

At 01:39 PM 7/8/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>I
>called Joe Rubin to ask him a few questions about the "business end" of the
>machine, which had had so many "backyard modifications" to it that I didn't
>know what to do to render it usable.

I had worked on that machine at one time and had replaced the spindle
bearings, because the lap would not turn.  Sad to say, I do not know an
Ultra-Tech from the one that has the slogan 'A cut above the rest",(Umm,
what is it anyway..an MDR!!! I just looked on my readout page!!) and once
actually used the wrong name in a post, only to receive a gentle nudge from
the manufacturer.
However, I generally sympathize with manufacturers who throw their hands up
in despair at a product that has been reworked into something strange.
Actually, when you think about it, the machinery manufacturers are trying
to make a living satisfying the fussiest, most exacting market there could
possibly be...And people ask me why I do not manufacture machines!
As to whoever scammed Terry, impaling is too good for them, because a LOT
of people with good intentions were involved in this thing trying to get
her an operable machine.

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Message:05

Subject: Hans and the Tin/Lead
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 14:04:35 -0700
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "dpc" <bouver@earthlink.net>

Hans, the Sn/Pb merely needs to be adequately charged. Charging has been
covered many times, for starters go to www.gearloose.com and review
Jon's charging technique. My instructor, now deceased, used his Pb/Sn
with 14,000 diamond for everything. It polished quickly and beautifully.
At the beginning of each polishing session he cleaned the lap with =
alcohol on a paper towel and then gave it a spritz with  14,000
Crystalite spray. The diamond from the spray is then worked into the lap
with a clean finger until you feel the lap tug at your finger. You're
now ready to go. 3 spritzes on an 8" lap is PLENTY. Repeat the spritz
and finger work if the polish stops. As the black polishing swarf builds
up clean the lap once again with LOTS of alcohol on a paper towel.

Use no water on this lap. The lubricant in 14,000 Crystalite spray is
quite adequate. Use extender if you wish. I use Super Lube with Teflon
on occasion.

As time passes the lap will get better and better. To obtain an
optimally charged lap may take years Hans, it's not going to happen
overnight. My instructors lap was so heavily charged it seemed to glow.
And glow it did with all the diamond it had accumulated over it's life
time. So keep giving your lap heavy charges as described on Jon's site.
After a while all you will need is the starting spritz and an occasional
spritz partway through the polish. After each polishing session heavily
wash the lap with lots of alcohol on a paper towel and store the lap in
a zip lock baggie.

My Pb/Sn is still slowly getting better and better. It's my "ol
standby". When all else fails I pull out the Pb/Sn and marvel at how
well it does it's job. Stick with it, it's a good lap when properly
handled.

Dale in S. Cal.

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Message:06

Subject: Ultra-Tec
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 20:12:12 -0400
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Closet Gems / Richard A. Rardin" <rardin@alltel.net>

Hi folks!

The Ultra-Tec debate that is now going on sounds very similar to the
Facetron one just past and I suspect every other manufacturer.  I have
not heard of a single brand of faceting machine that someone has not had
some problem or complaint with.

I personally purchased my Ultra-Tec used and had it shipped to me.  When
it arrived it was literally in pieces.  I packed it up and sent the
whole mess off to Ultra-Tec and told them to fix it.  Two weeks later I
had it back with everything  fixed and working like new!  Joe Rubin and
all the people at Ultra-Tec have been great to me.  No
complaints---except with the shipping company.

I have to say that after reading Tuesday's post's I can understand Joe
Rubin's not wanting to mess with a "home built Ultra-Tec".  I don't
however approve of shouting in business,  period.   I would suggest that
that was atypical behavior or Ultra-Tec would never have stayed in
business.   Maybe a really bad day?

I do have one question for anyone who read this far?  Are there any
other manufactures of curved facet faceters aside from PolyMetric?

Richard A. Rardin

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