Issue No. 161 - Tuesday July 8, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
Hi all, Great list today. Keep up the post.


Index to Today's Digest

01  RE: Service and attitudes
02  RE: Who is this guy
03  RE: Stanley/ultratec
04  RE: contaminated laps
05  NEW: John Franke
06  RE: Graves bearings
07  NEW: Bigest Ring??
08  NEW: Polishing with diamond

Subject: Re: Service and attitudes
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:41:48 EDT
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Cutugem@aol.com

Teresa, I do believe the day of "service" and the "customer always is right"
is gone from at least this planet. Sad.  I can commiserate with you concerning
the mentioned unit since I plunked down mucho bucks for the top shelf and in
a year had to pay to return it for a minor (tension spring on the angle
indicator wheel) and wait over a month for its return. Within a year the same
has again become defective. I am at a loss as to whether to get it fixed once
again since the postage to send it to California from Ohio with insurance is
quite pricy and the down time makes me a bit edgy. I do think repeating this
exercise every year is a bit much and I made a suggestion as to placing the
spring in a position that it would not require factory disassembly and
and was met with a bit of a derisive tone.

Dennis on the North Coast


Subject: Who is this guy
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:09:26 -0500
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Wayne S. Barnett" <wayneb@ev1.net>

Just who is Joe Rubin at UT?  I have had my UT serviced at their shop and
did not get this type of reception.  How long has he been with them?

Wayne in Houston


Subject: Stanley/ultratec
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 01:09:10 -0400
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "Douglas Turet" <anotherbrightidea@hotmail.com>

Yesterday, Terrie Masters wrote:
"As both you and Tom Nuchols may remember, I brought my Stanley/ut
faceting head to Ventura specifically to show Joe rubin as Doug Turet
had called him about it and Joe denied it had anything to do with ut.

When I approached joe rubin with it, he loudly stated, "I told Doug no
and I tell you  NO, I will not touch this.

Before anyone else in innocence contacts ut, best they be aware of the
"customer" service offered by rubin.

When I first bought this machine I was so happy and proud to be a ut
owner. Now I can't sell it off fast enough.

Caveat emptor"

Hi all,

     I feel the need to break my silence, wade in and answer this one for
three reasons, the first of which is that I know and consider Terrie Master
to be both a solid person and a longtime personal friend, and one who
deserves only the best life has to offer. The next reason is that, as both
an even longer-time Ultra Tec user and endorser, and relatively new
authorized representative, I'm very familiar with both the machine and it's
manufacturer, Joe Rubin who, in all fairness, actually DID tell she and I on
the phone that she should either drive it over to him at the factory, or
bring the machine to the Ventura show. Last (and not only not least, but
perhaps most importantly), I am intimately acquainted with this machine
she's so upset about, because, at my recommendation and after my offer of
one-on-one faceting lessons, she'd lugged it all the way from her home in
Oceanside, CA, up to the house my fiancee and I stayed in in Santa Cruz,
during the week of April 19th-25th of this year, and it was I who built the
wooden base upon which it sits.
     This faceting machine (if you can call it that) was sold to Teresa by
someone who was either sadly   misinformed or simply an unscrupulous flea
market dealer, and who represented to her that it was either a genuine Ultra
Tec or a Stanley (which is essentially the same machine, albeit flying under
the moniker of its previous manufacturer). As much as I love Terrie and want
only the best for her, and as much as we had both hoped that this thing
truly was an Ultra Tec, the Gospel Truth of the matter is that the machine
in question is not now, and never was one. True, it was assembled from a
collection of odds and ends that did include some Ultra-Tec parts -- most
notably, the square vertical pillar of the mast, the portions of the yoke
which contact and house the quill, and the index gear and radial index
adjuster (cheater). But, by the same token, neither the motorized base upon
which that mast sits, nor the cylindrical foot of the mast, nor the mast's
vertical worm screw (which constitutes the remainder, and most crucial part
of the mast), nor the portion of the yoke which attaches to the mast, nor
the quill's bearings, nor the its trigger, nor trigger detent... none of
these bears even the most passing resemblance to its counterparts on either
the Stanley or Ultra Tec machines. What's more, parts of it are anodized in
the golden color familiar to owners of the Facetron and/or some of the MDRs;
a hue in which neither the Stanley nor Ultra Tec has ever appeared. (The
Ultra Tec, under Joe Rubin's captainship, first appeared in a turquoise blue
anode coat, like the one I use, and those models produced since 1988 or '89
have been dressed in basic black. The Stanley wore more fashionably dated
hammertone paints, in shades of grey, pastel blue or a light-to-medium
green. The latter of these colors is like the one which used to appear in
Bob Keller's "Bob's Rock Shop" documentary of the 2000 Faceters' Symposium
in Riverside, CA.
     The two details about Terrie's machine which immediately alerted me to
the fact that it was most definitely NOT an authentic Ultra Tec were the
gerry-rigged bright stainless steel bolts, nuts and washers it's
home-assembler had used to bolt the yoke onto the mast, and fact that the
yoke's fine angle-adjustment screw -- which normally threads down into the
yoke and contacts the usually unseen top of the coarse adjustment clamp --
was not only absent, but its threads had been bored out of the yoke
assembly, entirely. Where a finely-threaded, knurled-tipped #8 bolt should
have been, a smoothly-bored 4mm diameter hole now existed, thus rendering
this "machine" incapable of being set at ANY angle, whatsoever.
     Which is why, on Tuesday, April 22nd, after spending the better part of
the day driving to and from the lumberyard with Teresa, and working to build
a stable and durable woooden base for her essentially unusable machine, I
called Joe Rubin to ask him a few questions about the "business end" of the
machine, which had had so many "backyard modifications" to it that I didn't
know what to do to render it usable. When I described some of them, he made
it quite clear that, while some portions of this beast may have come from
old U/T machines, I was right in assuming that the majority of it had not,
and further, that he would not be held responsible for something that some
backyard mechanic had assembled using some of his parts, any more than an
authorized Porsche, Mercedes or Jaguar dealer would stand behind something
that had been assembled with a smattering of their components. It was when I
explained that there wasn't any possibility of her adding a *true* Ultra Tec
to her collection, and asked if there was anything at all that he could do
to lend a hand, that Joe had extended his invitation to Terrie to visit him
at either the Ventura show or, better yet, the U/T factory. He made this
offer to me, and then repeated it to her a few seconds later, when I walked
around the coffee table and handed the phone to her.
     In the final analysis, I don't know where the disconnect occurred.
Perhaps Joe remembered the conversation differently than Terrie and I do, or
perhaps he expected her to stop by the factory (as I seem to recall had been
the agreed upon outcome, since I don't think she lives all that far from
there). What I do know, beyond any shadow of a doubt, is the following:

1)  Terrie Masters is one heckuva lady, and a dearly treasured friend;
2)  That thar thang ain't no Ultra Tec -- it ain't never been, an' it ain't
ne'er gonna be;
3)  Clearly, there seems to have been some misunderstanding, on either or
both Joe Rubin's and Terrie Masters' parts, as to what the next logical step
in the process should have been, and,
4)  While I really wish things had taken a different course, that day at the
Symposium, I can neither fault Terrie for feeling insulted, nor Joe, for not
standing behind something he had no part in either making or selling.

Douglas Turet, GJ
Turet Design
P. O. Box 162
Arlington, MA 02476, U.S.A.
Tel. (617) 325-5328
Fax: (928) 222-0815
Email: anotherbrightidea@hotmail.com


Subject: contaminated laps
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:48:18 -0600
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: <wreisbick@mho.net>

I would like to thank everyone that listed a solution to my contaminated
lap problem. It seems that I must be the only person that didn't know
about the use of Lava soap to solve the problem. IT WORKED !
Thank you
Walter Reisbick


Subject: John Franke
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:52:01 -0700
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Webb Long <webblong@mindspring.com>

Hi all,  I just read a new Lapidary Journal the other day and there was a
facet pattern from John Franke and it was dedicated to to his wife  Barbara.
I have been married to the same wonderful woman for 62 years and I really
appreciated what John had to say about his wife!  I have purchased from them
in the  past and I believe that I will increase that buying in the future.
That demonstrates character to love and respect your wife.  My best to both
John and Barb and to this web-site.     Webb  Long


Subject: Re: Graves bearings
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 22:19:47 -0400 (EDT)
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: DaveWoolley@webtv.net (Dave Woolley)


Do a google search for "Scratches from the Master Lap"

Dave Woolley


Subject: NEW: Bigest Ring??
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 00:00:45 -0500
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: gembin <gembin@spiff.net>

Hi All,

What's the largest ring size you ever made for a person to wear on his
finger...  8, 9, 10, larger? Jeweler F. P. Kinsley of St. Louis,
Missouri made such a ring years ago, size 25! The amazing thing is the
company still has the mold of what is probably the largest ring known to
fit a real man! A few blocks from my home, Maneke Jewelers, Alton, IL,
having done business with Kinsley for years, recently ordered an exact
replica of the ring and has it on display in their store. It is a
Masonic fraternity ring that measures 1.375 inches diameter, containing
33 pennyweight in gold, 15 diamonds of which 1 is 1/4 carat, flanked by
14 smaller. The original ring was made by Kinsley for and given by E. H.
Golding's Son's Jewelry Co. to Alton's Gentle Giant, Robert Wadlow in
1940. Wadlow died six days later. Wadlow is the tallest man in recorded
history (8'-11.1" tall) and is listed in Guinness Book Of World Records.
The original ring had a value of $500. Maneke said the replica probably
has a today's value of about $6,000. There was a picture of it in
today's Telegraph (Alton) newspaper. If any of you would like a picture
of it, let me know and I will ask Charlie Maneke for permission to take
a picture of it and email it to you. A link to Robert Wadlow's web page
is on my web page  http://www.spiff.net/~gembin   (then click on Cool
Stuff). It is unknown where the original ring is.

Doug "Rhodolite" Smith
Alton, Illinois, USA (on the north bank of the Mississippi River)


Subject: Polishing with diamond
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:17:56 -0400
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: sinico@nbnet.nb.ca (H.Durstling)

Hi everyone,

As you may suspect from the flurry of questions I'm posting to the list
I've gotten thoroughly wired about resuming faceting in a more intensive
and systematic way.

That comes, not least, from a recent visit to the Cryogenie mine, 4,000
feet up the mountain in San Diego County California. Here, I met Frank
Locante cutting on site, in a trailer, powered by a generator. This was
remarkably energizing.

He polishes, he said, mainly with diamond. The lap looked to be standard
tin-lead. So I figured I'd try diamond also, and that brings me to a litany
of questions. (I don't have any books here to guide me in using diamond).

First, I'm using 14 000 grit on a (scored) tin-lead lap. But it seems to
lose its polishing efficiency rather quickly. Can it be rejuvenated and if
so how? Or do you just have to keep brushing new diamond on or putting on
new diamond paste?

When you polish with diamond, do you use water as the lubricant at all? If
not, what is used? Do I need to wipe the lap clean regularly? If so, should
this be done with a solvent such as lighter fluid? What about the "extender
fluid"? What is this, how is it used and how does it work? I don't have
any, and it'll take time to get it - is there any common household stuff
that can be used in its stead?

Are there any techniques I should be aware of as to pressure and lap speed?

All help is welcome, all tricks and tips - and thanks to all of you.

Hans Durstling









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The following were reported to be actually taken from newspapers:

1)   Free puppies: = cocker spaniel, = sneaky neighbor dog

2)   Amana washer $100.  Owned by clean bachelor who seldom washed.

3)   Snow blower for sale ... only used on snowy days

4)   2 wire mesh butchering gloves:  1 five-finger, 1 three-finger, pair $15

5)   Tickle me Elmo, still in box, comes with its own 1988 Mustang, 5L,
       auto,excellent condition $6800

6)  German shepard 85 lbs.  Neutered.  Speaks German.  Free.

7)  Nordic Track $300.  Hardly used.  Call Chubbie.

8)  Found:  Dirty white dog.  Looks like rat.  Been out awhile.   Better
be reward.

9)  Hummels -- largest selection ever.  "If it's in stock, we have it!"

10)  Georgia Peaches, California grown -- 89 cents/lb.

11)  Nice parachute: never opened -- used once, slightly stained

12)  Tired of working for only $9.75 per hour?  We offer profit sharing
and flexible hours.  Starting pay -- $7-9 per hour

13)  Open house: Body Shapers Toning Salon. Free coffee and donuts.

14)  For sale by owner-complete set of Encyclopedia Brittanica. 45
volumes. Excellent condition. $1,000 obo.  No longer needed.  Got married
last weekend.  Wife knows everything.

15)  LOST:  One-eyed, three-legged male dog.  Answers to the name



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