LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST
Issue No.55 - Thursday January 30, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
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Index to Today's Digest
01 Off Shore ROUGH
02 RE: Afgani Rough
03 Pre former for Raytech
04 Accent Diamonds
05 FS: diamond melee
06 RE: Afgani Rough
07 RE: Diamonds
08 Setting your stones
09 RE: Diamond sources
10 RE: Good/Reputable Rough Dealers Revisited
11 RE: cd on gem setting
Subject: Off Shore ROUGH
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:52:28 -0500
From: Tom Pyles <firstname.lastname@example.org>
If you got burned on some rough from outside
the USA is there
any recourse. I even got references from people who had purchased
in USA. Did not send what I requested but sent junk.
Said they could
not refund but would send more rough or have me send it to someone
else when they got a order for samples, and they could send payment
Hi Tom, You might notice that I altered your post to not refer to
region. I cannot allow any post to be specific in areas such as
this to protect
myself and the list from litigation. Also to anyone who might respond
question, keep it generic, specific references to area, company
will not be posted.
Subject: Afgani Rough
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:50:23 -0800 (PST)
Hello Everyone, I do believe my information about gemstones in
Afganistan was that the Panjir Valley, which supplys emeralds was
controlled by the Northern Alliance And that Most of their hard
was generated by the gem trade. I would personally trust a rough
gemstone dealer who was honest enough to admit he could not pass
having te best Tourmaline he had ever come across cut for his own
profit. I know I would.
Bulamatari, AKA Dave Sellers
Subject: Pre former for Raytech
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:54:13 -0500
From: Tom Pyles <email@example.com>
I have a preformer for a Raytech that is about two years old, has
had a lot of use, would anyone like to purchase.
Subject: Accent Diamonds
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:32:08 -0500
From: "Keith Boggess" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Hi to everyone on the list,
The last accent diamonds I purchased was from grkgems.com.
They have a
fast delivery and at the time they were the cheapest I could find.
this helps someone.
I also would like to compliment you Thurmond since taking
over the list, A
Keith In W V
Hi Keith, Thanks for the kind words.
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:43:46 -0800
From: "John Almasi" <email@example.com>
Dear Thurmond and all,
We have diamond melee available. To our knowledge, these are
the very first
diamonds that can prove a physical link that they are not "bloody
no matter what is being mass marketed currently. Articles
project have appeared in the Greenpeace magazine and several other
publications, most of which are in German, so I can't understand
written about me.......
The rough was bought under Fair Trade conditions from the Liquobong
Miner's Cooperative in Lesotho, and cut at the Surat Diamond Cutter's
Cooperative, also a Fair Trade shop (no child labor, adults paid
wage for a quality product, etc.) funded by the Quakers, and our
of concerned participants.
Anyone interested in diamond melee can contact me via my e-mail
There have been several layers of middle men cut out of this project,
may be worth anyone's while to at least check it out.
Subject: Re: Issue No.54 - Wednesday January 29, 2003
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:53:12 -0800
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <firstname.lastname@example.org>
From: Noel Rowe <email@example.com>
Actually the Afgani gem dealers that I know were(are) Northern Alliance
guys. They hate the Taliban with a passion & support the US
rebuild Afghanistan 100%. they were pro USA long before Sept. 11.
Taliban were actually making a good deal of money off of opium poppies
and were doing a very good job of destroying the culture & economy
Afghanistan. Prior to the Taliban wheat was the main crop. what
interesting is that even during the height of the war gems were
coming out of Afghanistan.
Rough To Cut
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:21:54 -0800
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
From: "MR" <email@example.com>
I really haven't counted them. It would be fairly easy to
figure out using
the charts in a catalog like Rio Grande.
This is not my main source of income, just a sideline. I have
a very busy
shop and need to be at the wheel. Reading and responding to
the list is a
pleasure that I take some time for.
I don't mean to be rude or discounting of your question. I
just don't have
the time. It's a good problem to have.
Hi Martin, Glad to hear you are so busy. Everyone should have
You are correct the Rio Catalog does contain this info.
Subject: Setting your stones
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:52:21 -0400
From: "divrr" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
I'm a very long time lurker both here and on other
Having read recent posts I get the feeling some members
may need help
in getting their cut stones set. Possibly I can be of help.
I've been in the business of custom jewelry (in the
scratch) for over 25 years. Had my own store which I stocked mostly
one-of-a-kind originals for 20 years before I got side tracked.
this point I have a full working shop which I don't use as often
should. I do facet, but making jewelry is my area of expertise.
In the last year I've been looking for opportunities
to do more
jewelry work without having a store. I'd love the opportunity to
with any digest members who'd be interested and more than happy
provide additional info on my background as well. Hope to
some of you.
Hi Dan, If it would not give away any secrets I am sure some of
the "do it yourselfers"
on the list would enjoy a brief discussion of the setting of small
Subject: Re: Issue No.52 - Monday January 27, 2003/DANCING DIAMONDS?
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:58:56 -0500
From: "Douglas Turet" <email@example.com>
Two days ago, Charles asked:
"I didn't open this can of peas,but since everybodys parading
for best rough sources;could we have some input on where to turn
for the cut
diamonds we need to sell WITH our colored stones?TO GET THEM
Also might there be some formulae for ratio of diamond TO
weight. Perhaps we could get some input on cost points, or levels
RETURN " when our colored stones go "DANCING with
CHARLES W. BELL JR."
and Thurmond added:
It would be nice to know of a source of smaller diamonds in 1 to
sizes and what quantity purchase would be required for "reasonable"
One of the things I've come to realize
about this business is that,
like almost any other, whenever I look for "reasonable",
I'm usually faced
with the need to redefine what that means. Where Diamonds are concerned,
that has come to mean "a relatively good price on exceptionally
(i.e. "cut") goods THAT MATCH, from stone to stone. Unlike
the vast majority
of jewelers and goldsmiths, I am not willing to accept stones that
"almost good enough", alongside the colored stones and
metals I've put my
heart and soul into crafting with the utmost in care and precision.
I'm only interested in seeing clean, white goods with matching makes,
for that luxury, I realize that I will need to pay a slightly more;
all, _someone_ has to sit there and measure every stone, so someone's
pay for that priviledge.
There is one dealer I have found who consistently
meets my standards
for excellence, and he is Steve Brinkman, president of Safris, Ltd.,
Boston. (The company's main number is (617) 367-0132 and their Fax#
367-3914.) Steve and his wife are among the finest, most honest
had the honor of doing business with, and I cannot recommend them
enough. During a conversation this afternoon, I mentioned this list
questions to him, and received his assurances that he would treat
referred to him as well as he and Ethlynne have treated me. As such,
be sure to mention my name when you call, and ask for Steve by name.
And, although I know that it would not
normally need to be said, I'll
make an exception for certain subscribers' sakes, here: I am in
affiliated with the Safris company, except as one of their many
clients, and will not receive any sort of gain from recommending
you, save for the good will that comes from helping friends to connect
work with other friends.
Glad to help out!
All the best,
Douglas Turet, GJ
Lapidary Artist, Designer & Goldsmith.
P. O. Box 162
Arlington, MA 02476, U.S.A.
Tel. (617) 325-5328
Fax: (928) 222-0815
Subject: Re: Good/Reputable Rough Dealers Revisited
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:57:09 -0800
From: Phillip L Stonebrook <firstname.lastname@example.org>
<<I see that the subject of where to buy quality rough had
come up again.
In the past, I and others have suggested a seller review (or whatever
want to call it), but it's never happened, due in large part to
fear of a
libel suit. Fine. So why don't we post only the GOOD
rough dealers? It
wouldn't take long to deduce who is NOT a good dealer, based on
So, I'll put the first foot forward and let's see if anybody else
brave enough to stand up to the challenge. My recommendations based
personal experience and no other form of compensation are....>>
<<All right! I see we've had a few postings about favorite
and already one of them was new to me. Let's keep 'em coming!>>
I'll add one more to the growing list, a local dealer (fellow club
and faceting friend, no financial connection or ulterior motive
than supporting a reputable dealer that has good selection and great
prices) who is now my primary rough supplier with prices I haven't
since the 80's. I have faceted many of his offerings with great
(my favorite: ruby), so my recommendation comes only after personal
experience. In the past, he has made buying trips to these mining
with all the requisite laughable stories associated. He continues
mining friend associations for his own faceting needs and for their
advantage to feed their families. His advert is below. Contact him
directly for your needs.
Phil in Florida
> > I have rhodolite from Seza, Tanzania. Not into sorting
or selling by
> > the piece. All facet grade material - 2 colors (the
> > stuff and the red stuff) mixed about 50/50. Sizes
up to several
> > grams. $1.00 per gram, firm. Scoop price.
> > Mixed color tourmalines from East Africa (Yellow, green,
> > Mostly about 1 gram sizes, but range up to 4 grams and
down to small
> > stuff. Again, facet rough, not cabbing material.
Cuts a nice
> > stone. $1.00 per gram, firm. Scoop price.
> > Assorted corundums and chrysoberyls from various places,
> > Tunduru and Songea regions. Inquire for pricing of stones
> > multiple carats (there's no coupe de ville in the bottom
> > cracker jack box - only serious buyers, no samples).
> > Various other gem materials. Inquire for availability.
> > faceter, I only buy facet rough, so that's what I have.
> > philosophy is that the sale of one rock isn't going to
> > village, only by selling lots of rocks will that happen.
> > show pictures - that adds to overhead and maintenance,
> > maintain a website, I work, run my business and attend
> > studies, e-mail me, I'll get back to you.
Good rough for a fair
> > price, no frills, no hype.
> > John Almasi
Subject: cd on gem setting
From: breed8 <email@example.com>
You mentioned something about a cd on gem setting by Gerold Wykoff.
Could you please let me know where I might be able to get a copy
of that CD ?
Regards, Bill Reed
Hi Bill, Jerry Wykoff is selling on e-bay. Here is a link.
If that doesn't work search for seller jerwyk . Jerry is also a
member of this list.
RESOURCES FOR LAPIDARIES ~
Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org
then enter www.liccini.com
RESOURCES FOR FACETER'S ~
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com
RESOURCES FOR GEMOLOGISTS ~
Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
My Gemologist http://www.mygemologist.com
FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~
*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, firstname.lastname@example.org.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters
Don Cameron: email@example.com
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, email@example.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, Tyler Miller, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, email@example.com
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch email@example.com
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, email@example.com)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.
(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write
TODAY'S FUNNY ~
When I went to lunch today, I noticed an old lady sitting on a park
bench sobbing her eyes out. I stopped and asked her what was wrong.
said, "I have a 22 year old husband at home. He makes
love to me every
morning and then gets up and makes me pancakes, sausage, fresh fruit
freshly ground coffee." I said, "Well, then why
are you crying?" She said,
"He makes me homemade soup for lunch and my favorite brownies
makes love to me for half the afternoon." I said, "Well,
why are you
crying?" She said, "For dinner he makes me a gourmet meal
with wine and my
favorite dessert and then makes love to me until 2:00 a.m. I said,
why in the world would you be crying?" She said, "I
can't remember where I
Two elderly ladies had been friends for many decades. Over the years
they had shared all kinds of activities and adventures. Lately,
activities had been limited to meeting a few times a week to
One day they were playing cards when one looked at the other and
don't get mad at me.....I know we've been friends for a long time.....but
just can't think of your name! I've thought and thought, but I can't
remember it. Please tell me what your name is. Her friend glared
For at least three minutes she just stared and glared at her. Finally
said, "How soon do you need to know?
REFLECTIONS AND TIDBITS:
THE SENILITY PRAYER
Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked anyway,
fortune to run into the ones I do, and the eyesight to tell the
February 6 - February 11, 2003
LOWE ASSOCIATES - Robert P. Lowe Jr. invites you
to visit us in
Booth # 205 at the GJX - Gem & Jewelry Exchange, Downtown Tucson,
TOURMALINES - in Greens, Pinks, Indicolite, Rubelite, Salmon, Yellow,
Silver, Orange, Purple, Bi-color, Tri-color, - sliced, faceted,
cabochons, Paraiba and Rough. TOURMALINES in Watermelon Slices,
Singles, Matched Pairs, Sets, Cabochon Slices, plus all the other
Brazilian Colored Stones, including - Aquamarine, Citrine, Blue
Rutilated Quartz (Calibrated), Imperial Topaz, Alexandrite, Kunzite,
Brazilian Opals - Crystal & Boulder, rare Purple Topaz Specimens,
Amethyst, Morganite, Faceted Gemstone Beads, Emeralds - faceted,
cabochon, carved & Slices, Emerald Faceting Rough, Emerald Crystals,
Emerald Specimens, Emerald Jewelry - And Faceted Spessartite Garnet.
Rough - Dark Aquamarine, Amethyst, Citrine, Spessartite garnet,
Lowe Associates - Robert P. Lowe Jr.
Rua do Mirante, 573
13801-100 Mogi Mirim, SP, Brasil
e-mail: < firstname.lastname@example.org
> in USA
e-mail: < email@example.com
> in Brazil
Diamond Pacific Pixie polishing machine. All 4 Nova wheels recently
with 90 % life...2 Galaxy wheels are at 50% life. A clean, good
machine, priced at $475... E mail me at, Send2mail@aol.com.
From: "RICHARD P ROSENTHAL" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Green Siberian Nephrite Jade , Jewelry and
Carving grades available sold by the gram, pound kilo or ton excellant
prices and discounts for large amounts. also availble a small amount
"mutton fat" jade. I have slabs and also weathered
interested please reply to email@example.com
Rough to Cut
If you're looking for quality facet rough please check out Rough
We offer a wide range of quality facet rough
from Aquamarine to Zircon. Large selections in stock currently of
Garnets & Tourmalines. Please check us out & when you do,
why not give a
try to our contest, you could win a 5ct + piece of Spessartite garnet
Rough to Cut
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
From: "P. Miklik" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
AVAILABLE FOR SALE
Honey, red & brown zircons, 10g parcels @$20/parcel
Red Garnet $8/g, eye clean-slightly included
Spessartine Garnet $7.50/g, slight-moderately included
Malaya Garnet $6/g, good eye clean roughs
Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included
Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
Green/Green Blue Tourmaline $10/g, eye clean roughs
Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly
included, up to 1g.
Blue Beryl (Aquamarine) $6/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals
Green Beryl (Emerald) $10-$50/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals,
Cabbing Grade Aquamarine $3/g
Complete online discount catalog for cabbing and faceting machines,
laps, polishes, diamond saws, diamond blades, and general lapidary
Solid copper laps 1/4 thick 8" and 6" you can charge
both sides with
NOW ONLINE! RRGaetan Gem Rough - Featuring excellent, facet-grade,
Colombian Emerald rough! PLUS, Chrome Tourmaline, Achroite Tourmaline,
Golden Chrome Tourmaline, Aquamarine, Spess, Mint and Malaya Garnets,
and more! For photos and more information, visit us at rrgaetan.com.
For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host its
first National and International Faceting Competition. It
the North American Faceting Challenge -- 'NAFC.'
Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition. Please note:
The designs and rules
can be downloaded at <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003; the amount of time between
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2."
information is needed, please contact me at <email@example.com>.
FACETERS SYMPOSIUM 2003
Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention
California June 6-7-8, 2003
You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.
The Faceters Symposium will feature ten
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.
The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.
For information & costs regarding the
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.
Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630
Subject: show dates
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:32:31 -0600
From: "Archie Scott" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Lubbock Gem and Mineral Society is proud to present it's 45th annual
Gem, Mineral, Fossil,& Jewelry Show.
WHEN: May 17-18, 2003
Where: Lubbock Civic Center, Lubbock, Texas
Time: Sat.5/17: 10am-6pm
For more information contact Archie Scott
LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST PERSONALS:
KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis
ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri)
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: email@example.com
INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields.
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ firstname.lastname@example.org.
Bird - Chalmette, LA)
MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting
cabbing please e-mail me at email@example.com
TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: firstname.lastname@example.org
email@example.com or telephone
361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield
Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!
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