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LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST
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Issue No.54 - Wednesday January 29, 2003
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Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
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Committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
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Index to Today's Digest

01  RE: Pakistani and Afghani rough
02  RE: Diamond Sources
03  RE: Looking for a Teacher
04  FS: Diamond Melee

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Message:01

Subject: Re: Issue No.53 - Tuesday January 28, 2003
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:32:51 EST
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Cutugem@aol.com

Okay, I have to say this about Pakistani and Afghani rough. Was it not
controlled by the Taliban as a money making medium for many years? I happen
to believe it was. Also, if a dealer wants me to consider buying rough then
don't tell me that you cherry picked the really good stuff and had it cut by
commercial cutters. Harrrumphhhhh.  Dennis on the North Coast

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Hi Dennis,

I suspect that the Taliban has also made money from legitimate business ventures
in the good ol' USA.

"Harrrumphhhhh",  If I am not mistaken, would indicate membership in the Curmudgeons?  :)

 Thurmond
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Message:02

Subject: Diamond Sources
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:18:28 -0700
To: "Lapidary Arts & Faceter's Digest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: John McLaughlin <jemstone@amug.org>

"It would be nice to know of a source of smaller diamonds in 1 to 20 pt
sizes and what quantity purchase would be required for "reasonable"
wholesale prices."  Thurmond

If you have any jewelry oriented pawn shops in your area, they may be an
excellent source of small diamonds.  Pawn shops dealing more in junk -
used bikes, tools, odd items of equipment, etc. - are not usually good
sources, as they may overvalue diamonds or not know genuine diamonds
from junk.  Still, they are worth a look.

Pawn shops often break up old rings and other jewelry where the mounting
is worn out, out dated or just plain ugly.  The larger diamonds can be
sold at a profit that pays for the loan plus yields a healthy profit.
The findings are sold for their gold value and the small diamonds (1 to
10 points) often just sit.

You can use the Rio Grande Gems & Findings Catalog to give you an idea
of what the top price for a small diamond should be, as Rio is a highly
reputable outfit that describes exactly what you will receive.  They
sell diamonds from 1 point to 40 points, so you have a good reference
source to judge the value of a deal.  There may be other references that
are better.

The diamond idea is excellent.  DeBeers has spent millions building the
value of diamonds since the beginnings of the 1900s, why not take
advantage of their advertising efforts.

How about some discussion of how to add the diamonds.  The ones most of
us can afford will be 5 points and under.  How can we add them without
having to spend three weeks at a stone setting class with Blaine Lewis
or another expert?

John McLaughlin
Glendale, Arizona

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Hi John,  It is only 75 miles to the nearest pawn shop but I intend to check
them the next time I am "in town".  I also already use the Rio Catalog as
a reference source. I am planning to look at my CD on Gem Setting by
Gerold Wykoff to see what info it has on setting small stones.

Thurmond

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Message:03

Subject: Re: Looking for a Teacher
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:39:31 -0500
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com, Bob7122@aol.com
From: "Douglas Turet" <anotherbrightidea@hotmail.com>

Earlier, you wrote:
"looking for someone in the NH area to show me or help me to learn to cut
gems"

Hi Bob,

     Although I'm not actually _in_ NH, I'm not that far away, either   -- in
fact, only about 45-50 min. south of Nashua. Where are you located, and were
you interested in learning in your home, on your own machine, or on one of
mine, down here? I'll be home tonight, if you'd like to give me a ring and
discuss the possibilities. Until then,

All my best,
Doug

Douglas Turet, GJ
Lapidary Artist, Designer & Goldsmith.
Turet Design
P. O. Box 162
Arlington, MA 02476, U.S.A.
Tel. (617) 325-5328
Fax: (928) 222-0815
Email: anotherbrightidea@hotmail.com

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Message:04

Subject: diamonds
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:58:11 -0600
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "M Rugroden" <rugroden@attbi.com>

re:  I didn't open this can of peas,but since everybodys parading their
choices for best rough sources;could we have some input on where to turn for the
cut diamonds we need to sell WITH  our colored stones?TO GET THEM SOLD.


I can supply diamonds for those who want them.  Here is a list of melee.
 If you need larger let me know.  These are sold in carat lots only.  If
that's too many maybe you can split a lot with someone.  Prices are per
carat.


1.10 mm--1.55 mm I-1 $150.00, si1-vs2,$165.00, vs$425.00
1.60 mm--2.60 mm I-1 $200.00, si1-vs2 $375.00, vs $580.00
2.70 mm--3.20 mm I-1 $275.00, si1-vs2 $400.00, vs $640.00
3.30 mm--3.50 mm I-1 $325.00, si1-vs2 $445.00, vs $640.00

If you don't like them send them back within 3 days with a check to
cover the postage.  As with all things prices are subject to change
without notice.

Martin

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Hi Martin,  What is the approximate count per carat for each stated size range?

Thurmond

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RESOURCES FOR LAPIDARIES ~

Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org
http://webdev.archive.org/ then enter www.liccini.com

RESOURCES FOR FACETER'S ~

Facetron: http://www.facetron.com/
Graves: http://www.rockhounds.com/graves/
MDR: http://www.mdr-facet.com/
Polymetric: http://www.polymetricinc.com/
Ultra-tec: http://www.ultratec-facet.com
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
http://www.fac-ette.com/ 800-336-9248.
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com

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RESOURCES FOR GEMOLOGISTS ~

Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
My Gemologist http://www.mygemologist.com

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FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~

*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, wmcnay@mindspring.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: ghgemcutter@earthlink.net
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, rockpeddler@attbi.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, lklomp@cnetech.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, Tyler Miller,  tmiller277@comcast.net
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
Queensland. http://cwpp.slq.qld.gov.au/afg
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, attaway@highfiber.com
http://www.attawaygems.com/NMFG
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch chuck_b@prodigy.net
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, gemsbyj@aol.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net)
http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.
wrheitland@shaw.ca

(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write to
( owner-lapidary@caprock-spur.com or owner-faceters@caprock-spur.com )

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TODAY'S FUNNY ~

A Texan farmer goes to Australia for a vacation.
There he meets an Aussie farmer and gets talking.
The Aussie shows off his big wheat field and the
Texan says, "Oh! We have wheat fields that are at
least twice as large".

Then they walk around the ranch a little and the Aussie
shows off his herd of cattle. The Texan immediately says,
" We have longhorns that are at least twice as large as
your cows".

The conversation has, meanwhile, almost died when the
Texan sees a herd of kangaroos hopping through the field.
He asks, "And what are those"?

The Aussie asks with an incredulous look,
"Don't you have any grasshoppers in Texas"?

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REFLECTIONS AND TIDBITS:

In prayer, it is better to have a heart with no words,
than words with no heart."

--- Author Unknown ---

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CLASSIFIED ADVERTISEMENTS:

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TOURMALINES - in Greens, Pinks, Indicolite, Rubelite, Salmon, Yellow,
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Brazilian Opals - Crystal & Boulder, rare Purple Topaz Specimens,
Amethyst, Morganite, Faceted Gemstone Beads, Emeralds - faceted,
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Rough - Dark Aquamarine, Amethyst, Citrine, Spessartite garnet,
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Telephone: 55-19-3862-4217
Telefax:   55-19-3806-4354
e-mail: < robertplowejr@juno.com > in USA
e-mail: < robertplowejr@uol.com.br > in Brazil

PL02122003
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Diamond Pacific Pixie polishing machine. All 4 Nova wheels recently replaced
with 90 % life...2 Galaxy wheels are at 50% life. A clean, good working
machine, priced at $475... E mail me at,  Send2mail@aol.com.

01172003
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From: "RICHARD P ROSENTHAL" <kenaii@earthlink.net>

Green Siberian Nephrite Jade , Jewelry and
Carving grades available sold by the gram, pound kilo or ton excellant
prices and discounts for large amounts. also availble a small amount of
"mutton fat" jade.  I have slabs  and also weathered boulders. If
interested please reply to kenaii@earthlink.net

01162003
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Rough to Cut
If you're looking for quality facet rough please check out Rough to Cut,
http://www.roughtocut.com. We offer a wide range of quality facet rough
from Aquamarine to Zircon. Large selections in stock currently of Beryl,
Garnets & Tourmalines. Please check us out & when you do, why not give a
try to our contest, you could win a 5ct + piece of Spessartite garnet
facet rough.

Noel
Rough to Cut
http:www.roughtocut.com

11142002P
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Subject: AD
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "P. Miklik" <b-daw@pacbell.net>

AVAILABLE FOR SALE
Contact b-daw@pacbell.net

ZIRCONS
Honey, red & brown zircons, 10g parcels @$20/parcel

GARNETS
Red Garnet $8/g, eye clean-slightly included
Spessartine Garnet $7.50/g, slight-moderately included
Malaya Garnet $6/g, good eye clean roughs
Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included

TOURMALINES
Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
Green/Green Blue Tourmaline $10/g, eye clean roughs

SAPPHIRES 
Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly         
included, up to 1g.

BERYL  
Blue Beryl (Aquamarine) $6/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals
Green Beryl (Emerald) $10-$50/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals,
zoned green
Cabbing Grade Aquamarine $3/g

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Rock Peddler
Complete online discount catalog for cabbing and faceting machines, wheels,
laps, polishes, diamond saws, diamond blades, and general lapidary supplies
at http://www.rockpeddler.com.

09272002P
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Gewelers Gems
e-mail: sales@jewelersgems.com
Solid copper laps 1/4 thick 8" and 6"  you can charge both sides with
diamond. http://www.jewelersgems.com/faceting_laps.htm

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NOW ONLINE!  RRGaetan Gem Rough - Featuring excellent, facet-grade,
Colombian Emerald rough! PLUS, Chrome Tourmaline, Achroite Tourmaline,
Golden Chrome Tourmaline, Aquamarine, Spess, Mint and Malaya Garnets,
and more! For photos and more information, visit us at rrgaetan.com.

11242002RP
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COMPETITIONS:

For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
World-Class Cutters:

This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host its
first National and International Faceting Competition.  It is called
the North American Faceting  Challenge -- 'NAFC.'   Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of  the
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since 2001,
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.   The
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition.   Please note:  The designs and rules
can be downloaded at  <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003;  the amount of time between the
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2."   If   further
information is needed, please contact me at <clmoon@pacbell.net>.

Charlie Moon

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SHOWDATES:

~ CALIFORNIA


FACETERS SYMPOSIUM 2003
  Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
    At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
           Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003


     You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show.  The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th.  That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday.  The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June.  All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.

     The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests.  A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium.  There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels.  Get started on your
competition entry soon.

     The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.

     For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below.  Ask for one of the Packets.  Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.

Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630        email:   glennklein@yahoo.com

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~TEXAS

Subject: show dates
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:32:31 -0600
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Archie Scott" <asscott2@door.net>

Lubbock Gem and Mineral Society is proud to present it's 45th annual
Gem, Mineral, Fossil,& Jewelry Show.
WHEN: May 17-18, 2003
Where: Lubbock Civic Center, Lubbock, Texas
Time: Sat.5/17: 10am-6pm
      Sun.5/18: 10am-5pm
For more information contact Archie Scott
e-mail: asscott2@door.net
telephone: 806-894-1584       


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LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST PERSONALS:


KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something like the
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
faceter@bigfoot.com
Larry W. Davis
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ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri) A
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend to meet
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received an
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's FREE! ;o)
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: gembin@spiff.net
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INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in starting
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields. Nice
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
J.Pysnack" <wjpin@home.com>
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S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ tbird@bayouself.org. (Thom
Bird - Chalmette, LA)
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MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at jennings@netdoor.com Thanks, Jim
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TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: hankswan@earthlink.net or
gemscc@msn.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
(evenings).Hank swan
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WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield
winfielr@inra.nimh.nih.gov
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