Issue No.53 - Tuesday January 28, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
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Index to Today's Digest

01  Facetors Sought
02  Looking for high quality Rough in Tucson
03  RE: Who sells good rough
04  RE: Who sells good rough
05  RE: Who sells good rough
06  Supplier Wanted: stabilised turquoise rough
07  Looking for a teacher / trainer


Subject: Facetors Sought
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:25:17 -0500
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "All That Glitters" <atggems@netzero.net>

Would like to add a few new facetors to our cutters list.  Some of our
cutters have promised items during a particular week of the month and I have
been told that they will be ready in a few days - everytime I call.....
Those "few days" or "next week" have rolled into more than a month
currently.  Need people who can facet stones properly and at a good price.
Also require delivery in a decent timeframe.  Please feel free to tell me
what you will charge to facet a few stones when necessary.   Typically the
material is Tourmaline, Garnet, Tanzanite, etc.


L. Allen Brown
Gemologist - GIA
All That Glitters


Subject: Looking for high quality Rough in Tucson
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:30:08 -0500
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "All That Glitters" <atggems@netzero.net>
Cc: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>

Hi -

Looking for high quality rough in unusual garnet, tanzanite, sapphire,
unusual stones
(diaspore, color change stones, sphene, sphalerite, tsavorite, mint
garnet, mali garnet, etc.) - single stones to a few pieces, but not
hundreds or melee sizes - typically seek 1.5grams up to 3grams.  If
you/your business have this material and you will be in Tucson, or know
of dealers with good prices for this material, please let me know where
I can view the material while in Tucson.


L. Allen Brown
Gemologist - GIA
All That Glitters


Subject: Rough dealers
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 05:59:14 +0000
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: "Frank Romano" <romanfj@hotmail.com>

Hi everyone!
All right! I see we've had a few postings about favorite rough sources and
already one of them was new to me.  Let's keep 'em coming!  Here's another:  
http://aussieblackjade.com/  the sample I received was high quality and well
worth the price ($25  and the s/h was $10, I believe).  Keep in mind that
the Australian dollar is running almost 2:1 vs American, so $35AUD is about
Frank Romano
"Gemcutters are Multifaceted Individuals"


Subject: Re: Issue No.52 - Monday January 27, 2003/DANCING DIAMONDS?
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 01:30:38 EST
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Bellcha7@aol.com

I didn't open this can of peas,but since everybodys parading their choices
for best rough sources;could we have some input on where to turn for the cut
diamonds we need to sell WITH  our colored stones?TO GET THEM SOLD.

Also might there be  some formulae for ratio of diamond TO  finnishedstone
weight. Perhaps we could get some input on cost points, or levels of "NO
RETURN " when our colored stones go "DANCING with  DIAMONDS"?


It would be nice to know of a source of smaller diamonds in 1 to 20 pt
sizes and what quantity purchase would be required for "reasonable"
wholesale prices.



Subject: Who sells good rough
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:51:32 +0500
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Nasim Ahmad" <nasimite@super.net.pk>

"Hi, everybody!
I see that the subject of where to buy quality rough had come up again. 
In the past, I and others have suggested a seller review (or whatever you
want to call it), but it's never happened, due in large part to fear of a
libel suit.  Fine.  So why don't we post only the GOOD rough dealers?  It
wouldn't take long to deduce who is NOT a good dealer, based on who is.  So, I'll
put the first foot forward and let's see if anybody else is brave enough to
stand up to the challenge.  My recommendations based on personal
experience and no other form of compensation are...."

Mr. Thurmond Moore 111 and members,

Well, I have been lurking for long time and, noticing the post above for
good rough sources, would like to add one as well. Would also like to
take this opportunity on giving a bio about myself.

I am a Pakistani-American living in Pakistan since 1987, and working in
gems and precious stones from Pakistan and neighboring Afghanistan since
1996. Some of the world's finest gem materials mined in these two
countries. Afghanistan probably has the best Emeralds in the world at
this time at Panjsher (yes, better material than current Columbian).
Some of the world's finest Tourmalines and Kunzites are also found in
Afghanistan - in the Konar and Laghman provinces. Pakistan has very top
quality Emerald in Swat - among the finest in the world, though small in
size, as well as fine Peridot in top sizes - top gem grade roughs
occuring in sizes upto 50 grams, with bigger crystals in the 50 grams+
gram range found on occasion. The world's only deposit soley producing
pink Topaz of natural orgin and unique quality is found in Pakistan.
This hill - known as Gandao - produces Topaz and nothing else, not
counting quartz. Other than this, it just miles of sugar cane and
tobacco. Pretty amazing, and a beautiful place. Pakistan also produces
on occasion mineral specimens of good quality - mostly in Aquamarine,
coupled with Morganite, Quartz, and Sphene. These gem materials are
found in an area where three of the world's great mountain ranges meet:
The Hindu Kush; the Karakoram; and the Himalayas.

I am one of only a few Americans living and working in stones in this
part of the world - perhaps the only American living in this part of the
world at this time :) My contacts at the mines are second to none, and I
work with only a few good people at both ends of the
acquisition/supplier line. The late great Mark Liccini was my closest
friend and associate in this business. I've got a good friend in Texas
too. I am always interested in sharing knowledge and information with
those who wish to same, as well as in developing good, simple business
relationships and joint ventures with those who wish the same.

As for good rough, well I did have a Tourmaline lot of the most
exceptional quality. However, I couldn't sell this in the rough as it
was too sweet. Had it cut by a top lapidary in Bangkok. This material is
Indicolite which rivals Paraiba Tourmaline in beauty and rarity. The
material shows a beautiful Paraiba blue and blue-green-teal in normal
sunlight, but does a big color change to Emerald-green in incandescent
light. The material is 100% natural, no treatment or enhancement in any
way. I firmly believe this to be one of the finest Tourmaline lots in
the world. In six years never seen anything like it, and am pretty sure
it would blow away most of what Brazil and Africa have to offer. A world
renowned Ruby/Sapphire expert - and author of several esteemed books on
gemstones - happened to see one of the pieces while I was having the lot
cut. He said he had never seen such color in Tourmaline, and that the
color and quality was among the most beautiful he had ever seen - and
this man has personally examined some of the finest gemstones in the
world. Would be pleased to give his name and contact information on
request. This lot is available for business. Aside from this, I could
probably supply top quality rough materials on a regular basis. Believe
it or not, I just missed a single Morganite crystal weighing 1 kilogram
(one kilogram). Crystal was 100% flawless and deep reddish-pink. Missed
it by a day actually. You will probably see it somewhere in Tucson this

I have been involved in the supply of top quality gem materials from
Pakistan and Afghanistan for the past six years. Having spent the first
half of my life in the U.S (I was born in Los Angeles, Cal), and the
second part of my life here in Pakistan, I believe myself to have
inherited good morals and ethics from both parts of the world. I would
be pleased to provide references of a few good people (including the
Principal Officer of the U.S. Embassy in Peshawer) who could comment on
my person and character - some in Los Angeles who have known my father
since 1960 when he was a bachelor at UCLA.

Thank you.

Nasim Ahmad
Nasim Ahmad Associates


Thanks for the post. I enjoy hearing about different gem producing regions
from those who are actually there. I would welcome similar post from any member
in gem producing areas.



Subject: stabilised turquoise rough
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:07:11 -0800
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: a.r.tahir@attglobal.net

Dear Sir,
We are interested in turquoise rough stabilised inhanced color any size
but without matrix.. we are not retailer.If any body have or know
please  let us know  the supplier mostly from arizona..Can some body
help us to get the regular supply
this material.Thanks  in advance
AbdulRazzaque Tahir,


You might try Sleeping Beauty. http://www.sbturquoise.com/



Subject: Looking for a Teacher
From: Bob7122@aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:05:57 EST
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com

  looking for someone in the NH area to show me or help me to learn to cut
                             thank you



Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org
http://webdev.archive.org/ then enter www.liccini.com


Facetron: http://www.facetron.com/
Graves: http://www.rockhounds.com/graves/
MDR: http://www.mdr-facet.com/
Polymetric: http://www.polymetricinc.com/
Ultra-tec: http://www.ultratec-facet.com
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
http://www.fac-ette.com/ 800-336-9248.
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com



Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
My Gemologist http://www.mygemologist.com


FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~

*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, wmcnay@mindspring.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: ghgemcutter@earthlink.net
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, rockpeddler@attbi.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, lklomp@cnetech.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, Tyler Miller,  tmiller277@comcast.net
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
Queensland. http://cwpp.slq.qld.gov.au/afg
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, attaway@highfiber.com
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch chuck_b@prodigy.net
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, gemsbyj@aol.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.

(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write to
( owner-lapidary@caprock-spur.com or owner-faceters@caprock-spur.com )



A few more things to Think About.

When you choke a smurf, what color does it turn?

Does fuzzy logic tickle?

Why do they call it a TV set when you only get one?

How come wrong numbers are never busy?

Do radioactve cats have 18 half-lives?

If you shoot a mime, should you use a silencer? 

What was the best thing before sliced bread?

Why call then hot water heaters if the water is already hot?

If you throw a cat out a car window does it become kitty litter?

If corn oil comes from corn, where does baby oil come from?

Why do they put braille on the number pads of drive-through bank machines?

How did a fool and his money GET together?

If nothing sticks to Teflon, how do they stick Teflon on the pan?

How do they get a deer to cross at that yellow road sign?



" Look around... It's not about making a living, but rather making a life."
--- Author Unknown ---



TUCSON           February 6 - February 11, 2003             TUCSON
LOWE  ASSOCIATES  -  Robert P. Lowe Jr. invites you to visit us in
Booth # 205 at the GJX - Gem & Jewelry Exchange, Downtown Tucson, for
TOURMALINES - in Greens, Pinks, Indicolite, Rubelite, Salmon, Yellow,
Silver, Orange, Purple, Bi-color, Tri-color, - sliced, faceted,
cabochons, Paraiba and Rough. TOURMALINES in Watermelon Slices,
Singles, Matched Pairs, Sets, Cabochon Slices, plus all the other
Brazilian Colored Stones, including - Aquamarine, Citrine, Blue Beryl,
Rutilated Quartz (Calibrated), Imperial Topaz, Alexandrite, Kunzite,
Brazilian Opals - Crystal & Boulder, rare Purple Topaz Specimens,
Amethyst, Morganite, Faceted Gemstone Beads, Emeralds - faceted,
cabochon, carved & Slices, Emerald Faceting Rough, Emerald Crystals,
Emerald Specimens, Emerald Jewelry - And Faceted Spessartite Garnet.
Rough - Dark Aquamarine, Amethyst, Citrine, Spessartite garnet,
Lowe  Associates  -  Robert P. Lowe Jr.
Rua do Mirante, 573
13801-100 Mogi Mirim, SP, Brasil
Telephone: 55-19-3862-4217
Telefax:   55-19-3806-4354
e-mail: < robertplowejr@juno.com > in USA
e-mail: < robertplowejr@uol.com.br > in Brazil


Diamond Pacific Pixie polishing machine. All 4 Nova wheels recently replaced
with 90 % life...2 Galaxy wheels are at 50% life. A clean, good working
machine, priced at $475... E mail me at,  Send2mail@aol.com.


From: "RICHARD P ROSENTHAL" <kenaii@earthlink.net>

Green Siberian Nephrite Jade , Jewelry and
Carving grades available sold by the gram, pound kilo or ton excellant
prices and discounts for large amounts. also availble a small amount of
"mutton fat" jade.  I have slabs  and also weathered boulders. If
interested please reply to kenaii@earthlink.net


Rough to Cut
If you're looking for quality facet rough please check out Rough to Cut,
http://www.roughtocut.com. We offer a wide range of quality facet rough
from Aquamarine to Zircon. Large selections in stock currently of Beryl,
Garnets & Tourmalines. Please check us out & when you do, why not give a
try to our contest, you could win a 5ct + piece of Spessartite garnet
facet rough.

Rough to Cut


Subject: AD
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "P. Miklik" <b-daw@pacbell.net>

Contact b-daw@pacbell.net

Honey, red & brown zircons, 10g parcels @$20/parcel

Red Garnet $8/g, eye clean-slightly included
Spessartine Garnet $7.50/g, slight-moderately included
Malaya Garnet $6/g, good eye clean roughs
Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included

Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
Green/Green Blue Tourmaline $10/g, eye clean roughs

Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly         
included, up to 1g.

Blue Beryl (Aquamarine) $6/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals
Green Beryl (Emerald) $10-$50/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals,
zoned green
Cabbing Grade Aquamarine $3/g


Rock Peddler
Complete online discount catalog for cabbing and faceting machines, wheels,
laps, polishes, diamond saws, diamond blades, and general lapidary supplies
at http://www.rockpeddler.com.


Gewelers Gems
e-mail: sales@jewelersgems.com
Solid copper laps 1/4 thick 8" and 6"  you can charge both sides with
diamond. http://www.jewelersgems.com/faceting_laps.htm


NOW ONLINE!  RRGaetan Gem Rough - Featuring excellent, facet-grade,
Colombian Emerald rough! PLUS, Chrome Tourmaline, Achroite Tourmaline,
Golden Chrome Tourmaline, Aquamarine, Spess, Mint and Malaya Garnets,
and more! For photos and more information, visit us at rrgaetan.com.




For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
World-Class Cutters:

This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host its
first National and International Faceting Competition.  It is called
the North American Faceting  Challenge -- 'NAFC.'   Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of  the
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since 2001,
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.   The
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition.   Please note:  The designs and rules
can be downloaded at  <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003;  the amount of time between the
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2."   If   further
information is needed, please contact me at <clmoon@pacbell.net>.

Charlie Moon





  Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
    At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
           Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003

     You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show.  The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th.  That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday.  The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June.  All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.

     The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests.  A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium.  There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels.  Get started on your
competition entry soon.

     The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.

     For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below.  Ask for one of the Packets.  Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.

Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630        email:   glennklein@yahoo.com


Subject: show dates
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:32:31 -0600
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Archie Scott" <asscott2@door.net>

Lubbock Gem and Mineral Society is proud to present it's 45th annual
Gem, Mineral, Fossil,& Jewelry Show.
WHEN: May 17-18, 2003
Where: Lubbock Civic Center, Lubbock, Texas
Time: Sat.5/17: 10am-6pm
      Sun.5/18: 10am-5pm
For more information contact Archie Scott
e-mail: asscott2@door.net
telephone: 806-894-1584       



KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something like the
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis

ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri) A
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend to meet
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received an
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's FREE! ;o)
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: gembin@spiff.net

INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in starting
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields. Nice
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
J.Pysnack" <wjpin@home.com>

S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ tbird@bayouself.org. (Thom
Bird - Chalmette, LA)

MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at jennings@netdoor.com Thanks, Jim

TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: hankswan@earthlink.net or
gemscc@msn.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
(evenings).Hank swan

WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield

Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!


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