LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST
Issue No.53 - Tuesday January 28, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
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Index to Today's Digest
01 Facetors Sought
02 Looking for high quality Rough in Tucson
03 RE: Who sells good rough
04 RE: Who sells good rough
05 RE: Who sells good rough
06 Supplier Wanted: stabilised turquoise rough
07 Looking for a teacher / trainer
Subject: Facetors Sought
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:25:17 -0500
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
From: "All That Glitters" <email@example.com>
Would like to add a few new facetors to our cutters list.
Some of our
cutters have promised items during a particular week of the month
and I have
been told that they will be ready in a few days - everytime I call.....
Those "few days" or "next week" have rolled
into more than a month
currently. Need people who can facet stones properly and at
a good price.
Also require delivery in a decent timeframe. Please feel free
to tell me
what you will charge to facet a few stones when necessary.
material is Tourmaline, Garnet, Tanzanite, etc.
L. Allen Brown
Gemologist - GIA
All That Glitters
Subject: Looking for high quality Rough in Tucson
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:30:08 -0500
From: "All That Glitters" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Looking for high quality rough in unusual garnet, tanzanite, sapphire,
(diaspore, color change stones, sphene, sphalerite, tsavorite, mint
garnet, mali garnet, etc.) - single stones to a few pieces, but
hundreds or melee sizes - typically seek 1.5grams up to 3grams.
you/your business have this material and you will be in Tucson,
of dealers with good prices for this material, please let me know
I can view the material while in Tucson.
L. Allen Brown
Gemologist - GIA
All That Glitters
Subject: Rough dealers
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 05:59:14 +0000
From: "Frank Romano" <email@example.com>
All right! I see we've had a few postings about favorite rough sources
already one of them was new to me. Let's keep 'em coming!
the sample I received was high quality and well
worth the price ($25 and the s/h was $10, I believe).
Keep in mind that
the Australian dollar is running almost 2:1 vs American, so $35AUD
"Gemcutters are Multifaceted Individuals"
Subject: Re: Issue No.52 - Monday January 27, 2003/DANCING DIAMONDS?
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 01:30:38 EST
I didn't open this can of peas,but since everybodys parading their
for best rough sources;could we have some input on where to turn
for the cut
diamonds we need to sell WITH our colored stones?TO GET THEM
Also might there be some formulae for ratio of diamond TO
weight. Perhaps we could get some input on cost points, or levels
RETURN " when our colored stones go "DANCING with
CHARLES W. BELL JR.
It would be nice to know of a source of smaller diamonds in 1 to
sizes and what quantity purchase would be required for "reasonable"
Subject: Who sells good rough
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:51:32 +0500
From: "Nasim Ahmad" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
I see that the subject of where to buy quality rough had come up
In the past, I and others have suggested a seller review (or whatever
want to call it), but it's never happened, due in large part to
fear of a
libel suit. Fine. So why don't we post only the GOOD
rough dealers? It
wouldn't take long to deduce who is NOT a good dealer, based on
who is. So, I'll
put the first foot forward and let's see if anybody else is brave
stand up to the challenge. My recommendations based on personal
experience and no other form of compensation are...."
Mr. Thurmond Moore 111 and members,
Well, I have been lurking for long time and, noticing the post above
good rough sources, would like to add one as well. Would also like
take this opportunity on giving a bio about myself.
I am a Pakistani-American living in Pakistan since 1987, and working
gems and precious stones from Pakistan and neighboring Afghanistan
1996. Some of the world's finest gem materials mined in these two
countries. Afghanistan probably has the best Emeralds in the world
this time at Panjsher (yes, better material than current Columbian).
Some of the world's finest Tourmalines and Kunzites are also found
Afghanistan - in the Konar and Laghman provinces. Pakistan has very
quality Emerald in Swat - among the finest in the world, though
size, as well as fine Peridot in top sizes - top gem grade roughs
occuring in sizes upto 50 grams, with bigger crystals in the 50
gram range found on occasion. The world's only deposit soley producing
pink Topaz of natural orgin and unique quality is found in Pakistan.
This hill - known as Gandao - produces Topaz and nothing else, not
counting quartz. Other than this, it just miles of sugar cane and
tobacco. Pretty amazing, and a beautiful place. Pakistan also produces
on occasion mineral specimens of good quality - mostly in Aquamarine,
coupled with Morganite, Quartz, and Sphene. These gem materials
found in an area where three of the world's great mountain ranges
The Hindu Kush; the Karakoram; and the Himalayas.
I am one of only a few Americans living and working in stones in
part of the world - perhaps the only American living in this part
world at this time :) My contacts at the mines are second to none,
work with only a few good people at both ends of the
acquisition/supplier line. The late great Mark Liccini was my closest
friend and associate in this business. I've got a good friend in
too. I am always interested in sharing knowledge and information
those who wish to same, as well as in developing good, simple business
relationships and joint ventures with those who wish the same.
As for good rough, well I did have a Tourmaline lot of the most
exceptional quality. However, I couldn't sell this in the rough
was too sweet. Had it cut by a top lapidary in Bangkok. This material
Indicolite which rivals Paraiba Tourmaline in beauty and rarity.
material shows a beautiful Paraiba blue and blue-green-teal in normal
sunlight, but does a big color change to Emerald-green in incandescent
light. The material is 100% natural, no treatment or enhancement
way. I firmly believe this to be one of the finest Tourmaline lots
the world. In six years never seen anything like it, and am pretty
it would blow away most of what Brazil and Africa have to offer.
renowned Ruby/Sapphire expert - and author of several esteemed books
gemstones - happened to see one of the pieces while I was having
cut. He said he had never seen such color in Tourmaline, and that
color and quality was among the most beautiful he had ever seen
this man has personally examined some of the finest gemstones in
world. Would be pleased to give his name and contact information
request. This lot is available for business. Aside from this, I
probably supply top quality rough materials on a regular basis.
it or not, I just missed a single Morganite crystal weighing 1 kilogram
(one kilogram). Crystal was 100% flawless and deep reddish-pink.
it by a day actually. You will probably see it somewhere in Tucson
I have been involved in the supply of top quality gem materials
Pakistan and Afghanistan for the past six years. Having spent the
half of my life in the U.S (I was born in Los Angeles, Cal), and
second part of my life here in Pakistan, I believe myself to have
inherited good morals and ethics from both parts of the world. I
be pleased to provide references of a few good people (including
Principal Officer of the U.S. Embassy in Peshawer) who could comment
my person and character - some in Los Angeles who have known my
since 1960 when he was a bachelor at UCLA.
Nasim Ahmad Associates
Thanks for the post. I enjoy hearing about different gem producing
from those who are actually there. I would welcome similar post
from any member
in gem producing areas.
Subject: stabilised turquoise rough
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:07:11 -0800
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <email@example.com>
We are interested in turquoise rough stabilised inhanced color any
but without matrix.. we are not retailer.If any body have or know
please let us know the supplier mostly from arizona..Can
help us to get the regular supply
this material.Thanks in advance
You might try Sleeping Beauty. http://www.sbturquoise.com/
Subject: Looking for a Teacher
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:05:57 EST
looking for someone in the NH area to show me or help me
to learn to cut
RESOURCES FOR LAPIDARIES ~
Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org
then enter www.liccini.com
RESOURCES FOR FACETER'S ~
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com
RESOURCES FOR GEMOLOGISTS ~
Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
My Gemologist http://www.mygemologist.com
FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~
*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, firstname.lastname@example.org.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters
Don Cameron: email@example.com
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, email@example.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, Tyler Miller, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, email@example.com
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch email@example.com
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, email@example.com)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.
(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write
TODAY'S FUNNY ~
A few more things to Think About.
When you choke a smurf, what color does it turn?
Does fuzzy logic tickle?
Why do they call it a TV set when you only get one?
How come wrong numbers are never busy?
Do radioactve cats have 18 half-lives?
If you shoot a mime, should you use a silencer?
What was the best thing before sliced bread?
Why call then hot water heaters if the water is already hot?
If you throw a cat out a car window does it become kitty litter?
If corn oil comes from corn, where does baby oil come from?
Why do they put braille on the number pads of drive-through bank
How did a fool and his money GET together?
If nothing sticks to Teflon, how do they stick Teflon on the pan?
How do they get a deer to cross at that yellow road sign?
REFLECTIONS AND TIDBITS:
" Look around... It's not about making a living, but rather
making a life."
--- Author Unknown ---
February 6 - February 11, 2003
LOWE ASSOCIATES - Robert P. Lowe Jr. invites you
to visit us in
Booth # 205 at the GJX - Gem & Jewelry Exchange, Downtown Tucson,
TOURMALINES - in Greens, Pinks, Indicolite, Rubelite, Salmon, Yellow,
Silver, Orange, Purple, Bi-color, Tri-color, - sliced, faceted,
cabochons, Paraiba and Rough. TOURMALINES in Watermelon Slices,
Singles, Matched Pairs, Sets, Cabochon Slices, plus all the other
Brazilian Colored Stones, including - Aquamarine, Citrine, Blue
Rutilated Quartz (Calibrated), Imperial Topaz, Alexandrite, Kunzite,
Brazilian Opals - Crystal & Boulder, rare Purple Topaz Specimens,
Amethyst, Morganite, Faceted Gemstone Beads, Emeralds - faceted,
cabochon, carved & Slices, Emerald Faceting Rough, Emerald Crystals,
Emerald Specimens, Emerald Jewelry - And Faceted Spessartite Garnet.
Rough - Dark Aquamarine, Amethyst, Citrine, Spessartite garnet,
Lowe Associates - Robert P. Lowe Jr.
Rua do Mirante, 573
13801-100 Mogi Mirim, SP, Brasil
e-mail: < firstname.lastname@example.org
> in USA
e-mail: < email@example.com
> in Brazil
Diamond Pacific Pixie polishing machine. All 4 Nova wheels recently
with 90 % life...2 Galaxy wheels are at 50% life. A clean, good
machine, priced at $475... E mail me at, Send2mail@aol.com.
From: "RICHARD P ROSENTHAL" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Green Siberian Nephrite Jade , Jewelry and
Carving grades available sold by the gram, pound kilo or ton excellant
prices and discounts for large amounts. also availble a small amount
"mutton fat" jade. I have slabs and also weathered
interested please reply to email@example.com
Rough to Cut
If you're looking for quality facet rough please check out Rough
We offer a wide range of quality facet rough
from Aquamarine to Zircon. Large selections in stock currently of
Garnets & Tourmalines. Please check us out & when you do,
why not give a
try to our contest, you could win a 5ct + piece of Spessartite garnet
Rough to Cut
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
From: "P. Miklik" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
AVAILABLE FOR SALE
Honey, red & brown zircons, 10g parcels @$20/parcel
Red Garnet $8/g, eye clean-slightly included
Spessartine Garnet $7.50/g, slight-moderately included
Malaya Garnet $6/g, good eye clean roughs
Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included
Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
Green/Green Blue Tourmaline $10/g, eye clean roughs
Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly
included, up to 1g.
Blue Beryl (Aquamarine) $6/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals
Green Beryl (Emerald) $10-$50/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals,
Cabbing Grade Aquamarine $3/g
Complete online discount catalog for cabbing and faceting machines,
laps, polishes, diamond saws, diamond blades, and general lapidary
Solid copper laps 1/4 thick 8" and 6" you can charge
both sides with
NOW ONLINE! RRGaetan Gem Rough - Featuring excellent, facet-grade,
Colombian Emerald rough! PLUS, Chrome Tourmaline, Achroite Tourmaline,
Golden Chrome Tourmaline, Aquamarine, Spess, Mint and Malaya Garnets,
and more! For photos and more information, visit us at rrgaetan.com.
For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host its
first National and International Faceting Competition. It
the North American Faceting Challenge -- 'NAFC.'
Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition. Please note:
The designs and rules
can be downloaded at <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003; the amount of time between
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2."
information is needed, please contact me at <email@example.com>.
FACETERS SYMPOSIUM 2003
Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention
California June 6-7-8, 2003
You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.
The Faceters Symposium will feature ten
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.
The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.
For information & costs regarding the
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.
Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630
Subject: show dates
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:32:31 -0600
From: "Archie Scott" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Lubbock Gem and Mineral Society is proud to present it's 45th annual
Gem, Mineral, Fossil,& Jewelry Show.
WHEN: May 17-18, 2003
Where: Lubbock Civic Center, Lubbock, Texas
Time: Sat.5/17: 10am-6pm
For more information contact Archie Scott
LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST PERSONALS:
KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis
ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri)
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: email@example.com
INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields.
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ firstname.lastname@example.org.
Bird - Chalmette, LA)
MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting
cabbing please e-mail me at email@example.com
TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: firstname.lastname@example.org
email@example.com or telephone
361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield
Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!
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