Issue No.52 - Monday January 27, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
Click a link below to post to the list:
for faceting questions  faceters@caprock-spur.com
for lapidary questions lapidary@caprock-spur.com
Index to Today's Digest

01  "snake eye"
02  RE: LJ and Faceting Diagrams
03  RE: Who sells good rough
04  RE: Who sells good rough
05  Faceters Symposium 2003
06  Lapidary Journal collection on e-bay.
07  Looking for specific LJ issues.
08  RE: Who sells good rough
09  RE: Who sells good rough


Subject: "snake eye"
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 07:06:51 -0500
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: Jim <jsmall47@earthlink.net>

Hi Thurmond,
It has been years since I've been stymied on a cutting material id, but I
was yesterday! We went to a local farm show which has an attached craft
market; one of the vendors works with a number of cutters and silversmiths
in NM, and had some set cabs of a stone called "snake eye". In color it is
slightly less lime green than gaspeite, and mottled a little like lizard
stone; somewhat jaspery except for the eyes. It has variable hardness, so
there are areas which are little better than semi-polished and others which
are brightly polished. Some of the brightly polished areas have a
chatoyancy almost like fish-scale peristerite feldspar. The rough reputedly
comes from Siberia.
Can anyone help me with a true id, what type of mineral, and the host rock?


Jim Small
Small Wonders


Subject: LJ
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 08:28:14 -0500
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: "Jonathan L. Rolfe" <webmaster@gearloose.com>

At 10:16 PM 1/24/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Has Lapidary Journal always had a featured cut in each issue? I was thinking
>that finding some old back issues would be a good way to build my gem design

They always did as far back as I can remember.  I found myself cutting out
that page, and discarding the rest of the magazine, when they replaced
"Lapidary" with "Bead of the Month".


I grabbed a few issues off my shelves from the 60's 70's and 80's. All
had faceting diagrams.


Subject: good rough
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:32:05 -0500
To: "faceter's digest" <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Doug Dover" <ddover@carolina.rr.com>

I have ALWAYS gotten an extremely good value for the money from Grady &
Phyllis Harris at http://www.creativegems.com. I have bought amethyst and
citrine rough by the pound from them to spread among friends. I have bought
synthetic spinel, synthetic corundum,  CZ- Russian and USA made, synthetic
rutile, Jewelite, laser glass and even got a chunk of synthetic amethyst to
play with. They are some of the nicest people I have ever dealt with and if
you ever go to a show where they have a display it is a rainbow of colors,
both natural and synthetic. They have always had a selection of CZ closeout
material for 2-5 cents per carat. One of my wife's favorite stones is a blue
synthetic spinel SRB at 13mm whose rough came from them.

I agree about Jeff Graham having excellent rough for a very fair price, but
if you need a faceting diagram HE has a TREMENDOUS assortment of them FREE
other than the cost of printing them out. That alone is enough to cause me
to purchase rough from him! If it helps offset the cost of maintaining the
designs I would pay a higher price than he asks.

I have also gotten a good value from Rob at www.facetingmachines.com several
times in the past.

One of the few good experiences I have had with rough off ebay is through
Trevor at berrydopals ( www.berrydopals.com.au ) .
He is an exporter based in Australia and has lots of
miner contacts. I have bought several parcels of opal rough from him and
always felt it was a bargain. He also has a web site to purchase premium
opal parcels from all the way down to practice potch for a couple of
dollars. His shipping is very quick and he communicates almost instantly,
considering the time difference. I have NEVER waited over 12 hours for a
reply to an email

I gain nothing from these recommendations, other than trying to help another
craftsperson acquire good material. I would also like others to list dealers
they have had good experiences with. I will say again that some of the best
bargains on material I have bought came from casual outside shows. My
favorites are the one behind "The Source"  on Hwy. 441 S. in Franklin, NC
during the July GLW show and the annual show at the Grassy Creek Fire Dept.
in Spruce Pine, NC the first week in August. Both of these show cover a
couple of acres of dealers from around the country selling out of tents and
motor homes. Just make sure to bring sun screen, even at the top of the
mountains it is HOT down here in the summer!

Doug Dover
Belmont, NC


Subject: cutting rough
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 08:32:49 -0800
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "David Zaayer " <david@gemcrystals.com>

Hello members,
In regards to the posts about cutting rough, gemcrystals.com does have a page of some rough
available. In the course of collecting fine gemcrystals, some (actually quite a few) crystals
just don't measure up for collector pieces so they are relegated to the cutting bin. (Bummer,
huh?) We get hold of stuff that normally would be very difficult to find. Also, many of our
specimen suppliers have rough and I sometimes stock up for myself. As cutting is more of a
hobby for me, right now, (my day job supplies sustenance) I have way more rough than I can
possibly cut, so I thought, what the heck, and put up a rough page to supply turnover and
cash flow for more and better rough. Check it out, there are cut stones, also. And if you
don't see what you want, ask. We have much stuff not listed and will be in Tucson. We could
look if there were special requests. We will be showing at the Inn Suites, room 317 the 2nd
through the 14th. The room will be full of World Class crystal specimen dealers. Stop in and
see us.


Subject: Faceters Symposium 2003
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:47:05 -0800 (PST)
To: LAPIDARY ARTS & FACETERS DIGEST <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: Glenn Klein <glennklein@yahoo.com>

Hi All:

Does anyone know GERRY KLEIN's email address?  The one I
have for him does not go through.  Any help on this would
be appreciated, as he is one of our speakers for the
upcoming Faceters Symposium 2003 in Ventura, CA.

Please have him contact me if possible.


Glenn Klein, Chairman
Faceters Symposium 2003


Subject: Big Error--Lapidary Journal Collection
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 08:28:51 -0600
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Kathlene R. Maas" <ekmgems@ivwnet.com>

Due to my ignorance about how Ebay works, I listed the same collection
of Lapidary Journals twice.  WRONG!!!  So please ignore the second item
number I gave you (#2704005169).  I have ended that auction.  The
correct item number is #2155798209.  Sorry for the confusion my mistake
may have caused you.
        Kathie Maas         ekmgems@ivwnet.com


Subject: Lapidary Journal
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:46:39 EST
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: JackHaslup@aol.com

I am looking for the January and February 1994, issues of the Lapidary
Journal. If anyone would have these two that I could purchase I would
appreciate hearing from you.


Subject: Good Quality Facet Rough
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:47:01 -0700
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Todd" <td_gunz@yahoo.com>


    I don't post much at all any more.  Mostly because I don't cut that
much.  I thought faceting would be a great thing for me to do seeing as
I'm disabled from a failed lumbar spinal fusion surgery.  Unfortunately
the extended sitting is not something I can do.  Initially I cut quite a
few stones (60 or so), but lately the pain is just too high to sit for
long.  I've got a stone in the machine that's been partially cut in Jeff
Graham's design; "Angel Cross", since he published the design.
    I do read the Digest daily, and glean a great deal of knowledge from
it and all the posters.
    On the subject of quality facet rough, I have to agree with the
initial poster.  Those are good sources.  I might add a few more I've
bought from;
        Brian Norton (www.briannorton.com).  I've bought hundreds of
dollars of rough from him.  He offer good quality fairly priced rough
with a good grading system and descriptions.  He's also one of the few
who I've seen offer good Tanzanite in larger sizes (Something you don't
often see at all)..  I can't recommend him enough.  I've never been
disappointed with his material.  He is in Africa, and you send the money
to North Carolina, but he's trustworthy, and honest, in a trade where
those traits are hard to come by.
   Hilmar Bosch, (www.africangemstones.co.za), is a good site.  I've not
purchased from him, but have corresponded with him.  I think he's
offering the rough for the Jubilee Project too.  His rough looks well
described, fairly priced and graded.
    Shane Jackson's site Facet Rough dot com (www.facetrough.com) is a
good source.  He offers good descriptions, and fairly priced rough. 
I've never had a problem with him or the quality of his rough.
    Mike Williams site, (www.qualitygemrough.com) is another good source
for rough from Africa.  I think he has an exclusive buying agreement
with Ross from TZ Gems.  I know in the beginning, when the deal was
first made, he ruffled quite a few feathers by cutting off what people
were using as a good supplier.  It seems to have worked out okay for
Mike, and Ross too or he wouldn't have done it.  It lets people get a
chance to buy the quality of rough they wouldn't have access to in small
quantities.  Mike's always been fair to me, and his rough is accurately
described and fairly priced.
    Rob Kulakofsky, (www.facetingmachines.com) while not a facet rough
dealer per se has some good rough, and everything I've bought from him
has been good accurately described rough at a fair price for the
material.  He's who I got my Ultra-Tec and all my accessories from, and
I've never doubted his word on rough.
    That's a couple of good suppliers for you all to try.
    Good luck, happy faceting,
Todd Shinskey


Subject: Re: Who sells good rough
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:40:15 -0700
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: John McLaughlin <jemstone@amug.org>

Great post Frank.  At this point I don't have any faceting rough dealers.  For cabs I like
rough and service from The Gem Shop,
However, most of my rough comes from Quartzsite and Tucson.
I will certainly try your recommendations when I look for more faceting rough.

John McLaughlin
Glendale, Arizona

> Subject: Who sells good rough
> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 05:58:31 +0000
> To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
> From: "Frank Romano" <romanfj@hotmail.com>

> I see that the subject of where to buy quality rough had come up again.  In the past, I and
> others have suggested a seller review (or whatever you want to call it), but it's never
> happened, due in large part to fear of a libel suit.  Fine.  So why don't we post only the
> GOOD rough dealers?  It wouldn't take long to deduce who is NOT a good dealer, based on who
> is.  So, I'll put the first foot forward and let's see if anybody else is brave enough to
> stand up to the challenge.



Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org
http://webdev.archive.org/ then enter www.liccini.com


Facetron: http://www.facetron.com/
Graves: http://www.rockhounds.com/graves/
MDR: http://www.mdr-facet.com/
Polymetric: http://www.polymetricinc.com/
Ultra-tec: http://www.ultratec-facet.com
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
http://www.fac-ette.com/ 800-336-9248.
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com



Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
My Gemologist http://www.mygemologist.com


FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~

*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, wmcnay@mindspring.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: ghgemcutter@earthlink.net
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, rockpeddler@attbi.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, lklomp@cnetech.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, Tyler Miller,  tmiller277@comcast.net
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
Queensland. http://cwpp.slq.qld.gov.au/afg
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, attaway@highfiber.com
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch chuck_b@prodigy.net
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, gemsbyj@aol.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.

(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write to
( owner-lapidary@caprock-spur.com or owner-faceters@caprock-spur.com )



A few things to Think About.

Why isn't phonetic spelled the way it sounds?

Why are there interstate highways in Hawaii?

Why are there flotation devices under plane seats instead of parachutes?

Why are cigarettes sold in gas stations when smoking is prohibited there?

Why do fat chance and slim chance mean the same thing?

If you can't drink and drive, why do you need a driver's license to buy liquor, and why do bars have parking lots?

Do you need a silencer if you are going to shoot a mime?

Have you ever imagined a world with no hypothetical situations?

How does the guy who drives the snowplow get to work in the mornings?

If 7-11 is open 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, why are there locks on the doors?



 " Doubt your doubts and believe your beliefs."

--- Author Unknown ---


TUCSON           February 6 - February 11, 2003             TUCSON
LOWE  ASSOCIATES  -  Robert P. Lowe Jr. invites you to visit us in
Booth # 205 at the GJX - Gem & Jewelry Exchange, Downtown Tucson, for
TOURMALINES - in Greens, Pinks, Indicolite, Rubelite, Salmon, Yellow,
Silver, Orange, Purple, Bi-color, Tri-color, - sliced, faceted,
cabochons, Paraiba and Rough. TOURMALINES in Watermelon Slices,
Singles, Matched Pairs, Sets, Cabochon Slices, plus all the other
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Rutilated Quartz (Calibrated), Imperial Topaz, Alexandrite, Kunzite,
Brazilian Opals - Crystal & Boulder, rare Purple Topaz Specimens,
Amethyst, Morganite, Faceted Gemstone Beads, Emeralds - faceted,
cabochon, carved & Slices, Emerald Faceting Rough, Emerald Crystals,
Emerald Specimens, Emerald Jewelry - And Faceted Spessartite Garnet.
Rough - Dark Aquamarine, Amethyst, Citrine, Spessartite garnet,
Lowe  Associates  -  Robert P. Lowe Jr.
Rua do Mirante, 573
13801-100 Mogi Mirim, SP, Brasil
Telephone: 55-19-3862-4217
Telefax:   55-19-3806-4354
e-mail: < robertplowejr@juno.com > in USA
e-mail: < robertplowejr@uol.com.br > in Brazil


Diamond Pacific Pixie polishing machine. All 4 Nova wheels recently replaced
with 90 % life...2 Galaxy wheels are at 50% life. A clean, good working
machine, priced at $475... E mail me at,  Send2mail@aol.com.


From: "RICHARD P ROSENTHAL" <kenaii@earthlink.net>

Green Siberian Nephrite Jade , Jewelry and
Carving grades available sold by the gram, pound kilo or ton excellant
prices and discounts for large amounts. also availble a small amount of
"mutton fat" jade.  I have slabs  and also weathered boulders. If
interested please reply to kenaii@earthlink.net


Rough to Cut
If you're looking for quality facet rough please check out Rough to Cut,
http://www.roughtocut.com. We offer a wide range of quality facet rough
from Aquamarine to Zircon. Large selections in stock currently of Beryl,
Garnets & Tourmalines. Please check us out & when you do, why not give a
try to our contest, you could win a 5ct + piece of Spessartite garnet
facet rough.

Rough to Cut


Subject: AD
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "P. Miklik" <b-daw@pacbell.net>

Contact b-daw@pacbell.net

Honey, red & brown zircons, 10g parcels @$20/parcel

Red Garnet $8/g, eye clean-slightly included
Spessartine Garnet $7.50/g, slight-moderately included
Malaya Garnet $6/g, good eye clean roughs
Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included

Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
Green/Green Blue Tourmaline $10/g, eye clean roughs

Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly         
included, up to 1g.

Blue Beryl (Aquamarine) $6/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals
Green Beryl (Emerald) $10-$50/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals,
zoned green
Cabbing Grade Aquamarine $3/g


Rock Peddler
Complete online discount catalog for cabbing and faceting machines, wheels,
laps, polishes, diamond saws, diamond blades, and general lapidary supplies
at http://www.rockpeddler.com.


Gewelers Gems
e-mail: sales@jewelersgems.com
Solid copper laps 1/4 thick 8" and 6"  you can charge both sides with
diamond. http://www.jewelersgems.com/faceting_laps.htm


NOW ONLINE!  RRGaetan Gem Rough - Featuring excellent, facet-grade,
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and more! For photos and more information, visit us at rrgaetan.com.




For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
World-Class Cutters:

This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host its
first National and International Faceting Competition.  It is called
the North American Faceting  Challenge -- 'NAFC.'   Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of  the
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since 2001,
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.   The
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition.   Please note:  The designs and rules
can be downloaded at  <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003;  the amount of time between the
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2."   If   further
information is needed, please contact me at <clmoon@pacbell.net>.

Charlie Moon





  Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
    At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
           Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003

     You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show.  The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th.  That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday.  The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June.  All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.

     The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests.  A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium.  There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels.  Get started on your
competition entry soon.

     The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.

     For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below.  Ask for one of the Packets.  Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.

Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630        email:   glennklein@yahoo.com


Subject: show dates
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:32:31 -0600
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Archie Scott" <asscott2@door.net>

Lubbock Gem and Mineral Society is proud to present it's 45th annual
Gem, Mineral, Fossil,& Jewelry Show.
WHEN: May 17-18, 2003
Where: Lubbock Civic Center, Lubbock, Texas
Time: Sat.5/17: 10am-6pm
      Sun.5/18: 10am-5pm
For more information contact Archie Scott
e-mail: asscott2@door.net
telephone: 806-894-1584       



KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something like the
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis

ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri) A
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend to meet
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received an
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's FREE! ;o)
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: gembin@spiff.net

INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in starting
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields. Nice
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
J.Pysnack" <wjpin@home.com>

S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ tbird@bayouself.org. (Thom
Bird - Chalmette, LA)

MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at jennings@netdoor.com Thanks, Jim

TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: hankswan@earthlink.net or
gemscc@msn.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
(evenings).Hank swan

WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield

Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!


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