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LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST
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Issue No.50 - Thursday January 23, 2003
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Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
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Committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
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Click a link below to post to the list:
for faceting questions  faceters@caprock-spur.com
for lapidary questions lapidary@caprock-spur.com
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From The Moderator:

Hi Everyone,  The Copyright & Business topic
is starting to be a problem. I try to be fair and let
people speak their mind and I have let this topic
run its course. Unfortunately I think it has reached
a point of negative returns on letting it continue so
it will be terminated after tomorrows digest.

Thanks to those who responded to my selling in rural
America issue both on list and via private e-mail.

In Addendum to C.W. Bells posting yesterday.
He let me know that he could not reach 
Sainul Mohamed via e-mail concerning the
crystals Sainul Mohamed had advertised to the list.

Please DO contact me at owner-lapidary@caprock-spur.com
anytime you have this type of issue. Also if you advertise to
the list please make sure you do not have members filtered
with your e-mail service provider.
I can definitely tell you since I send out about 1000 e-mails
per day that E-mail problems do occur. Known good addresses
may be unavailable from time to time due to many issues. Usually
if you cannot reach an address for more than a couple of days
there is an issue, so report it at that time.

Let's get back to some cutting topics and have
some fun.

For starters I had a friend give me a 57ct piece of
Labradorite (Facet Grade water clear). Does anyone have any
experience or tips for this material ?

Thurmond

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Index to Today's Digest

01  RE: Copyright & Business
02  RE: Copyright & Business
03  RE: Rural America
04  RE: Rural America
05  RE: Rural America
06  RE: Rural America
07  RE: Rural America
08  RE: Tumbling Opal
09  LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST Vendors
10  Seeing is Beleiving

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Message:01

Subject: Copyright
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:51:40 -0500
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Peter L. Herschman, M.D." <herschm@golden.net>

Dear Mr. Galarneau and Friends:

In what seemed to be your response to my comments about Copyright, you began
with, "Bud,"
a term which is insulting unless it is one of Thurmond's nicknames. If my
reading is correct, I am sorry that you felt hurt or devalued by my
comments. In fact, I agree with your staatement, "Copyrights are legitimate
business tools and should be respected." My views were clearly expressed in
my posting Monday. I personally value the generous approach which hobbyists
share here in Toronto, and in many areas of the world. In fact, your own
comments about various subjects have been helpful to me in my own learning
about aspects of faceting. You are a very knowledgeable man, and I have
appreciated your own willingness to give of your experience to the rest of
us.

We will have to remain apart on the copyright issue. I would never knowingly
violate a copyright; nor would I buy designs which bear the mark of having
been copywritten. Datavue, men and women in guilds all over the world have
been willing to share their creativity. Nor do our fellow faceters here
resent what little competition exists from the few of us who sell the
occasional stone (I have never sold one, at least yet). I always thought
that competition was a welcome part of the American philosophy, and I'm
certain you can easily outstrip most of us, given your professional
experience. So, I am at a loss to understand your resentment of the few who
elect to sell  privately or otherwise, what they create. As a professional,
you offer many qualities which other writers (Doug Dover, Doug "Rhodolite"
Smith, Ernie Hawes) have very articulately described, which amateurs don't.

For my part, I will continue to enjoy the pleasures of giving what I know to
others, and receiving their offerings in return, all free of copyright,
which I'll simply bypass.

With best wishes,

Peter L. Herschman, M.D.

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Message:02

Subject: Re non-business sales
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:36:25 EST
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Cutugem@aol.com

Gerry, I think you are preaching to the choir. It is not your fellow faceters
on this list that you should be concerned with rather I would say your
competition is your fellow business dealers that offer wares cut in {insert
poltiically correct term] and costing partial pennies per carat to produce
and sold to the public and jewelers at such low prices it is impossible to
recover that market. I am at a loss as to what your problem is with a hobby
cutter trying to recover a small percentage of costs by selling a few stones.
I would dare say the stone sales from this group and all other hobby cutters
is miniscule at best and laughable by any business standards.  Dennis on the
North Coast

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Message:03

Subject: Rural America.....
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:40:32 EST
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: SPEAKEASYCRAFTS@aol.com

 I have been selling  my wifes and my own stones and stone carvings in rural
areas for seven years. I have found the same problem, if I wish to sell them
I must accept a very moderate price, I have sold a box full  (30 carvings)
for as little as twenty dollars apiece just to put beans on the table. My
wife and I have sold well over 3000 carvings ranging from  very intricate
roses and flowers to simple whales, dolphins and the common fare such as
bears, wolfs, owls and on and on.. What it came down to for us was need, if
the need for cash was there we would drop our prices until we sold them. We
have a very unique way of looking at the stones we carve...simply this...they
are rocks, we mine a lot of our own stones. If we sell them, they are then
money to us. If we have to buy the rough, the people must pay more for them
to enable us to regain the cash we  put out for them. We are not hobbists, we
are stone merchants, we sell rough, we sell carved stones, we sell  faceted
stones, we sell anything in stone. Our quality is and always has been
supream. In 1995 we decided we found that if we wanted to be able to do our
thing we would have to charge what the market would bare. Ours is a work of
the love and joy of creation of a work of art from common stones and we have
lived by that creeo ever since. We produce enough income each year to feed
our faces, raise a child, and buy a home in rural America on that premise.
Last year we started mining Gold and found that if we embellish our carvings
with $20,00 worth of placer gold we can get ten times what the same carving
sold for with out the gold...go figure... It`s a very simplistic way to
market our art, but the love of carving, grinding and working a stone into a
work of art is our love of life and it has taken great care of us to date.
We, neither of us, have any formal training in lapidary, faceting, carving or
any of the tooling that goes with these, we are totally self taught and have
made a lot of the machines and tools we work with ourselves. I just do not
listen to the crap that tells me it cannot be done...we just do it any
way...lol a good example of that is softer stone beads... I have been told
that they do not sell well, they break easily, they scratch and break and
cannot be sold...We have made well over 5000 different beads, all hand crafts
and guess what  all  gone. I cannot even begin to supply the demand, stones
like alabaster, soap stones, calcites, etc make beautiful beads, but care
must be taken to toughen them up and make them more durable. We use resin and
polymers to do so with the proper disclosure to the patrons all is well. But
working, living, and selling in rural America is a hard nut to crack for
sure, but I would not give it up for anyone or anything...

                                Best regards

                                        James & Sally Roberts
                                        Speak Easy Crafts
                                        Wolf Creek Oregon 97497
                                        Speakeasycrafts@aol.com

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Message:04

Subject: About selling stones, etc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:26:54 -0500
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: "Jonathan L. Rolfe" <webmaster@gearloose.com>

One funny thing I realized after posting yesterday regarding amateurs who
sell stones:
More than a decade ago, I started a family tradition whereby any niece
reaching sixteen could have _anything they wanted_.
Unfortunately, I forgot that I came from a family with six children and my
wife from a family with five.  Worse, nephews and nieces began having
babies quite a while ago.
At this rate, I would probably never have any more to sell, as it is, anyway.
The last one cost me a star sapphire in 14K.  The Word has gotten out.

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Message:05

Subject: Re: Issue No.49 - Wednesday January 22, 2003
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 04:29:24 EST
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Send2mail@aol.com

"Beer taste" for redundant bobbles.

I have had the same problem in my neck of the woods.

First, I'll scratch the surface of one issue, which is education overall, for
the past 20+ years ....There is not a widespread appreciation for the arts
anymore in the school system.

The educators and political powers that be, have a "scooby doo" mentality,
when it comes to having any true common sense, toward allowing our children,
many of whom are now purchasing adults, the freedom to pursue higher
educational endeavors, beyond just learning math, english, history and
computers.

Especially today, education is mainly to prepare the masses to go to work for
someone else and to purchase faster and faster foods..... All the while
acquiring endless, low quality, throw away in landfill bobbles...

Second, don't beat a dead horse.. Life's too short... Move your sales to a
more self aware, appreciative and self taught audience, where they would
rather purchase an amethyst ring, than purchase a plastic action figure of
scooby doo....

Good luck

S2M

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Message:06


Subject: Re: Selling Stones
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:27:45 EST
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: JerilynPtr@aol.com

Hi Thurmond,

I don't think that your problem in selling stones is your location.  For a
number of years now I have been going to local shows in the Seattle area with
several other faceters including my teacher.  The International show brings
in a lot of people but very few buy our stones.  At each show one or the
other of us will sell one or maybe two stones and the rest don't get a
nibble. 

What we do get are a few people who want to have their own stones cut which
we do for an affordable set price.  They are usually become repeat customers.
I don't make any money at it, but I get to sometimes cut some pretty
interesting stones that I would not have access to any other way. 

I do get some stone buying money from teaching private faceting classes.  It
never fails that someone at the show stops to ask if someone teaches a class.
 So, I have a little sign in front of my machine.  For every twenty or thirty
cards I give out with my name, phone number and e-mail on it (never my
address!), I get about one student.

It seems that if you want to sell your own stones it requires finding
jewelers who like what you have or ask for specific stones and cuts.  It
takes a lot of looking to tie into a few who are interested.

I wish you luck,

Jerilyn
in Kirkland

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Message:07

Subject: Business
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:57:33 -0800 (PST)
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Glenn Klein <glennklein@yahoo.com>

Hi All:

Boy Thurmond and others, you sure sound like some of my
experiences, at trying to get a little money back for all
that we invest in our faceting equipment and rough.
Yesterdays first seven posts got my attention.  I will make
some remarks about what has been said.  These are only this
one guys (MY) opinions.

I was able to sell a few of my gems through a fine jeweler
near my home several years ago...well, really about twenty
years ago.  This jeweler was an expert at designing
mountings or getting them made up to his directions.  His
good taste was apparent in everything he had in his show
cases.  He happened to like my stones when I first brought
in a Riker box full, for him to look at.  I offered to
leave the whole box of gems with him.  I told him what I
wanted for each stone, and what he sold them for was his
business, not mine.  He chose six stones out of the box.
The rest I took back home.  He had a good clientele in the
area, one that could afford to pay for quality items.
Unfortunately, my association with him stopped after he had
sold three stones of mine, because of his illness.  He had
to go out of business.  

I have not found many jewelry stores that have anything
much except what I would call junk to show.  Those jewelers
were just salesmen who happen to be pushing gems.  I think
they would do just as well selling patio covers, or water
softeners. 

And so, I have not been able to get much in the way of
income from well cut stones.  It is my feeling that if you
take up faceting only because you want to get rich selling
your stones...you are wasting your time.  It will not
happen.

My interest in faceting has always been to cut the stones
as best I could.  I entered competitions for many years,
and winning first place was my reward for all of the costs
and work.  My wife certainly does not like the way I have
spent money on this HOBBY for all of these years.  At
first, I told her that winning trophies would get people
coming to me to buy the stones.  Nope, that did not happen.


For the first twenty years I kept every good stone, so that
I would have it available for a case of competition stones.
 But in the last ten years I have had stones mounted into
pendants, for my wife to wear.  The quality of our stones
show off best and are protected most if they are mounted
into pendants.  I cannot see doing rings, etc.  My wife
liked getting the pendants very much, but still would like
me to get some income to help us in our damn GOLDEN YEARS
that we are now in.

Thurmond, your area of "beer taste" people is not unique.
Those areas are most everywhere, including in the large
cities.  The people are not interested in quality items for
the most part.  They will buy what looks best and impresses
others best, but what is available at a SALE price.  They
would not think of buying anything at retail.  That would
mean that some business guy was trying to make a profit on
his sale, and that would make him a crook.  You are
supposed to hand it to them (give it to them) on a silver
platter...some buyers think.

I never want to get into cutting stones fast and selling
them at under a hundred bucks.  I do not like the idea of
turning out lots of stones.  Nor do I want to repair a
damaged stone for a jewelry store.  I will starve first
before going to that.  To do those things would ruin
faceting for me.  I want to do it well or not at all.

My stones would have to sell to the jeweler for five
hundred bucks on up, depending on what quality the final
buyer is prepared to pay.  So, there is no market like this
around me.  It probably does not exist in more than a dozen
places in the USA. 

Doug Smith and Jonathan Rolfe wrote about those who want to
run a business without the required licenses, etc.  I agree
with your views, guys.  When I started out in my field of
window treatments, supplying drapery hardware and
installation, etc., I often ran into what I call ten per
centers.  These were self-acclaimed Decorators (now the
proper word is DESIGNERS) who would use my services to
install an installation that was terribly designed by them.
 I had to make it work, because they had the job sold.
What these decorators did was work by using everyone else
to get the job in, and they marked up all of the costs by
ten percent.  They had no established store that they were
working out of.  They had no real business overhead.

If you are going to be in business there are going to be
overhead costs.  Those costs have to be faced, and added
into the total cost of the goods.  Then the reasonable
profit has to be added in to arrive at a sale price.

Disregarding what a lot of people think, I see nothing
wrong with trying to sell ones goods at a reasonable
profit.  Unions seem to think that if the business owner
made a profit, it belongs to the workers.  They do not even
consider the risk that a business owner takes in order to
be successful.  When my wife and I operated our Drapery and
Bedspread retail shop for over our last thirty working
years, we sold good quality products at a reasonable
profit.  Our prices were never the highest or the lowest in
the area...we were somewhere in between.  But we had many,
many repeat customers.  And we did not advertise.  Word of
mouth worked for us. 

I still have a current resale permit number from the State
of California.  I have had the same number since I started
my first business in 1950, when I constructed custom-made
furniture, things like speaker cabinets for hi-fi sets (In
those days they sold speakers, without a cabinet), and
bookcases to fit a specific area, or cocktail and end
tables.  In that first business, I had the same problem as
with the gems.  I did very fine work and the customers
loved it, but I could not drum up enough of those customers
who wanted something finer, and were willing to pay for it.

I think we faceters can all say that we have far more rough
than we will ever cut, and yet we are ready to go to Tucson
and buy some more.  We all have spent a lot of money to buy
our faceting machine and all of the laps, dops, and
whatever.  Most of us have wives who would just as soon see
some money coming in for all of the work that we do to
properly finish a gemstone.  What most of us have to
realize is that this is a HOBBY.  It is not a business
where one is going to suddenly get rich, so that a Ferrari
can be purchased.

Sorry for going on so long.  The earlier posts got me
started. I could go on much longer.  I need a martini.
Forgive me, please.

Glenn Klein, Chairman
Faceters Symposium 2003

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Message:08

Subject: Tumbling
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 06:00:07 +0000
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: "Frank Romano" <romanfj@hotmail.com>

SNIP>
From: "Naomi Sarna" <nsarna@earthlink.net>

Hello again. I have purchased various types of rough and I'd like to tumble
polish some of it. Before I ruin some of the beautiful Mexican cherry opal
or labradorite, or quartz, or aquamarine, I'd like to know if it's possible
to tumble together relatively similar hardness stones, such as the
labradorite and the opal, or should they just be kept separate as a matter
of general policy? How about final polishing if not before?
<SNIP

Naomi,
Don't mix them.  The softer stones will tumble faster than the harder ones,
so you'd have to fish them out of the sludge and then continue to polish the
others (messy).  You'll also find, based on my experience, that some of the
softer stones are going to get chipped by the slightly harder ones.  And
finally, cherry opal is awfully soft - Keep a close eye on it so you don't
tumble it away.
As for polishing them together, ABSOLUTELY not.  The softies will nick and
chip.
Frank Romano
"Gemcutters are Multifaceted Individuals"

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Message:09

Subject: LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST Vendors
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:17:42 -0700
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: John McLaughlin <jemstone@amug.org>

Hi Thurmond,

I did not realize you screened every post.  Many, many thanks for your time and dedication.

I also owe an apology to Sainul Mohamed, as I assumed he had joined the list to spam it.
However, I was not positive about that, which is why I sent my response.  In truth, I love and
collect mineral specimens and good corundum specimens are most desirable.

I believe it would be desirable to have input and feedback from folks who have dealt with the
vendors on this list and on the internet.  It would be great to know who has provided fair prices
and good service and, conversely, who has walked away from transactions leaving the customer
unsatisfied.

By this I don't mean the list should be a forum for complaints about service, delivery or other
issues, especially while they are in the process of being resolved.  In fact, it is far more
useful to know of vendors with whom folks have had positive experiences, especially when there
have been issues that needed settling.  All businesses have problems.  How the problems are
handled is what's important.

Negative experiences can also be helpful.  In my opinion, they should be described only after the
issue is closed, the dust has settled and the heat of anger is gone.  A factual statement of what
transpired, devoid of name calling, guessed at motives and other baggage, can be useful
information.  A similar response from the vendor would also be appropriate.   Calling a person a
thief, jerk or other names is not useful data.  Knowing that a business has a policy of not
accepting returned products or will only issue credits for other products is valuable.

I noted that in today's Digest there is a post from Ahmed Shareek.  I happen to know Ahmed pretty
well.  He basically sells gemstones, cut by his lapidaries in Sri Lanka (sorry Gerry).  He is an
aspiring young Sri Lankan businessman who I met at an Orchid dinner in Tucson about four years
ago.  Ahmed lives in a country that makes conducting business difficult, so I have tried to
provide support and advice to him.  I have had occasions to be an intermediary when he could not
contact a US buyer directly and have seen him honor his customer's returned merchandise
instructions in every case.

I didn't intend for the above to be an advertisement for Ahmed, although I certainly think highly
of him.  After all, he is offering to cut stones for a bunch of enthusiastic lapidaries who love
to cut their own stones.  (I also need to say that I receive no compensation from Ahmed and that
my role is of friend and advisor to him.)

I would love to know what dealers of rough have provided good service and fair pricing to list
members.  Even at the Tucson shows, good rough is not laying about in quantity.   Knowing who on
the internet provides value and good service would really be nice.

Now a couple of notes on a point that Gerry raised.  First, the expensive but nice quality
"non-commercial" stones are often rare and not even easy to cut.  Some of the prices reflect the
rarity and, hopefully, quality of the stones.  Kyanite is hard to find in faceting quality and
harder still to successfully facet.  Only a hobbyist looking for a challenge and an unusual
finished stone would be wacky enough to seek it out and cut it.  Hobbies are like that!  My
neighbor creates beautiful furniture of exotic woods.  He sells his products.   He is in love with
the creative process of designing and making the furniture, not the finished products.   He will
never get fully compensated for his time and materials, but that's fine with him.   His slice of
the furniture market is so small there would be no way to measure it.

Second, some of the better rough is expensive because it represents the best part of a large
purchase.  I am somewhere between Gerry and a hobbyist, as I work full time at lapidary and
jewelry making, selling at shows.  I frequently buy by the kilo in Tucson.  Out of a kilo of
material there are a few pieces that, when cut, set and sold, will recover the cost of the entire
kilo.  Some of the other, better looking material gives me the profit I need, but a fair amount
of the material is well below A grade.

Were I selling a kilo of material as cutting rough (which I don't), I would need to get my money
out of a relatively small number of pieces, as much of the rough would not bring a lot of money.
I just finished sorting a kilo of tourmaline.  Three great blue pieces, some good pinks, no reds,
some nice greens and a lot of stuff that either looks awful or is so dark green it could pass as
schorl.  If one is buying the best of a large lot, one must pay what it is really worth.

None of this is to say that Gerry is not accurate about mediocre rough going for AAA grade
prices.

John McLaughlin
Glendale, Arizona

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Message:10

Subject: foto%20p.%20grandes.jpg (JPEG Image, 1064x1326 pixels)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:26:22 -0600
From: Downey <alckytxn@swbell.net>

<http://www.artfromgod.com/foto%20p.%20grandes.jpg>

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Any rockhound has got to see the link above.
Warning put your bibs on first. LOL

Thurmond
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RESOURCES FOR LAPIDARIES ~

Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org
http://webdev.archive.org/ then enter www.liccini.com

RESOURCES FOR FACETER'S ~

Facetron: http://www.facetron.com/
Graves: http://www.rockhounds.com/graves/
MDR: http://www.mdr-facet.com/
Polymetric: http://www.polymetricinc.com/
Ultra-tec: http://www.ultratec-facet.com
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
http://www.fac-ette.com/ 800-336-9248.
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com

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RESOURCES FOR GEMOLOGISTS ~

Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
My Gemologist http://www.mygemologist.com

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FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~

*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, wmcnay@mindspring.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: ghgemcutter@earthlink.net
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, rockpeddler@attbi.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, lklomp@cnetech.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, Tyler Miller,  tmiller277@comcast.net
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
Queensland. http://cwpp.slq.qld.gov.au/afg
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, attaway@highfiber.com
http://www.attawaygems.com/NMFG
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch chuck_b@prodigy.net
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, gemsbyj@aol.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net)
http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.
wrheitland@shaw.ca

(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write to
( owner-lapidary@caprock-spur.com or owner-faceters@caprock-spur.com )

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TODAY'S FUNNY ~

The family of tomatoes
A family of three tomatoes were walking downtown one day
when the little baby tomato started lagging behind. The big
father tomato walks back to the baby tomato, stomps on her,
squashing her into a red paste, and says, "Ketchup!"

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REFLECTIONS AND TIDBITS:

" The greatest hurdle is convincing yourself that what you want is possible."

---Author Unknown---
 
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Rutilated Quartz (Calibrated), Imperial Topaz, Alexandrite, Kunzite,
Brazilian Opals - Crystal & Boulder, rare Purple Topaz Specimens,
Amethyst, Morganite, Faceted Gemstone Beads, Emeralds - faceted,
cabochon, carved & Slices, Emerald Faceting Rough, Emerald Crystals,
Emerald Specimens, Emerald Jewelry - And Faceted Spessartite Garnet.
Rough - Dark Aquamarine, Amethyst, Citrine, Spessartite garnet,
Lowe  Associates  -  Robert P. Lowe Jr.
Rua do Mirante, 573
13801-100 Mogi Mirim, SP, Brasil
Telephone: 55-19-3862-4217
Telefax:   55-19-3806-4354
e-mail: < robertplowejr@juno.com > in USA
e-mail: < robertplowejr@uol.com.br > in Brazil

PL02122003
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Diamond Pacific Pixie polishing machine. All 4 Nova wheels recently replaced
with 90 % life...2 Galaxy wheels are at 50% life. A clean, good working
machine, priced at $475... E mail me at,  Send2mail@aol.com.

01172003
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From: "RICHARD P ROSENTHAL" <kenaii@earthlink.net>

Green Siberian Nephrite Jade , Jewelry and
Carving grades available sold by the gram, pound kilo or ton excellant
prices and discounts for large amounts. also availble a small amount of
"mutton fat" jade.  I have slabs  and also weathered boulders. If
interested please reply to kenaii@earthlink.net

01162003
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Rough to Cut
If you're looking for quality facet rough please check out Rough to Cut,
http://www.roughtocut.com. We offer a wide range of quality facet rough
from Aquamarine to Zircon. Large selections in stock currently of Beryl,
Garnets & Tourmalines. Please check us out & when you do, why not give a
try to our contest, you could win a 5ct + piece of Spessartite garnet
facet rough.

Noel
Rough to Cut
http:www.roughtocut.com

11142002P
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Subject: AD
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "P. Miklik" <b-daw@pacbell.net>

AVAILABLE FOR SALE
Contact b-daw@pacbell.net

ZIRCONS
Honey, red & brown zircons, 10g parcels @$20/parcel

GARNETS
Red Garnet $8/g, eye clean-slightly included
Spessartine Garnet $7.50/g, slight-moderately included
Malaya Garnet $6/g, good eye clean roughs
Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included

TOURMALINES
Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
Green/Green Blue Tourmaline $10/g, eye clean roughs

SAPPHIRES 
Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly         
included, up to 1g.

BERYL  
Blue Beryl (Aquamarine) $6/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals
Green Beryl (Emerald) $10-$50/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals,
zoned green
Cabbing Grade Aquamarine $3/g

11012002P
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Rock Peddler
Complete online discount catalog for cabbing and faceting machines, wheels,
laps, polishes, diamond saws, diamond blades, and general lapidary supplies
at http://www.rockpeddler.com.

09272002P
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Gewelers Gems
e-mail: sales@jewelersgems.com
Solid copper laps 1/4 thick 8" and 6"  you can charge both sides with
diamond. http://www.jewelersgems.com/faceting_laps.htm

03222002P
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NOW ONLINE!  RRGaetan Gem Rough - Featuring excellent, facet-grade,
Colombian Emerald rough! PLUS, Chrome Tourmaline, Achroite Tourmaline,
Golden Chrome Tourmaline, Aquamarine, Spess, Mint and Malaya Garnets,
and more! For photos and more information, visit us at rrgaetan.com.

11242002RP
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COMPETITIONS:

For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
World-Class Cutters:

This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host its
first National and International Faceting Competition.  It is called
the North American Faceting  Challenge -- 'NAFC.'   Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of  the
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since 2001,
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.   The
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition.   Please note:  The designs and rules
can be downloaded at  <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003;  the amount of time between the
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2."   If   further
information is needed, please contact me at <clmoon@pacbell.net>.

Charlie Moon

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SHOWDATES:

~ CALIFORNIA


FACETERS SYMPOSIUM 2003
  Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
    At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
           Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003


     You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show.  The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th.  That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday.  The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June.  All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.

     The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests.  A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium.  There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels.  Get started on your
competition entry soon.

     The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.

     For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below.  Ask for one of the Packets.  Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.

Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630        email:   glennklein@yahoo.com

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~TEXAS

Subject: show dates
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:32:31 -0600
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Archie Scott" <asscott2@door.net>

Lubbock Gem and Mineral Society is proud to present it's 45th annual
Gem, Mineral, Fossil,& Jewelry Show.
WHEN: May 17-18, 2003
Where: Lubbock Civic Center, Lubbock, Texas
Time: Sat.5/17: 10am-6pm
      Sun.5/18: 10am-5pm
For more information contact Archie Scott
e-mail: asscott2@door.net
telephone: 806-894-1584       


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LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST PERSONALS:


KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something like the
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
faceter@bigfoot.com
Larry W. Davis
******

ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri) A
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend to meet
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received an
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's FREE! ;o)
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: gembin@spiff.net
******

INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in starting
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields. Nice
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
J.Pysnack" <wjpin@home.com>
******

S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ tbird@bayouself.org. (Thom
Bird - Chalmette, LA)
*****

MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at jennings@netdoor.com Thanks, Jim
*****

TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: hankswan@earthlink.net or
gemscc@msn.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
(evenings).Hank swan
******

WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield
winfielr@inra.nimh.nih.gov
******

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