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LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST
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Issue No.49 - Wednesday January 22, 2003
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Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
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Committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
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Click a link below to post to the list:
for faceting questions  faceters@caprock-spur.com
for lapidary questions lapidary@caprock-spur.com
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From The Moderator:

Hi Everyone, Just a comment on selling stones.
I have never sold any of my work in rural America
where I live or at a nearby "craft mall" where I wasted
a lot of money trying.  People in this part of the world
seem to have "beer taste" regardless of the size of
their "pocketbooks". They would much rather buy
"stamped out shiny things" than a quality piece of  work.
Initially people are encouraging when they learn about my hobby
but when it comes down to buying something it just does
not happen. I would love to sell a few gems to offset the
cost of the hobby, but how do you develop a market where
none exist. I have seen the stones that the only Jeweler / Manufacturer
in a 55 mile radius puts in their products as well as the workmanship
of the finished product. I could outcut their stones in my sleep.
They are not interested in quality stones because they already charge
TOP dollar for their products and increased stone cost would cut
profits so selling to them is out.
The only Commercial entities that I would be a "threat" to would be
the home shopping channels (LOL) since there are NO jewelry stores, jewelers
or other options for most folks in rural America.
Any ideas for selling QUALITY goods in low population density areas
would be appreciated.

Thurmond

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Index to Today's Digest

01  RE: Copyright & Business
02  RE: Copyright & Business
03  RE: Copyright & Business
04  RE: Copyright & Business
05  RE: Copyright & Business
06  RE: Copyright & Business
07  RE: Copyright & Business
08  Enviromental Concerns
09  Pink Zircon Update
10  China Hollow Blue Biggs
11  Tumbling stones of similar hardness
12  Ads or spam?
13  Reply to Sapphire Crystals FS
14  AD: Gem Cutting Services
15  AD: CZ rough for Sale

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Message:01

Subject: amatuer cutters
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:03:27 -0500
To: "faceter's digest" <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Doug Dover" <ddover@carolina.rr.com>

I held off when it seemed like Gerry was attacking another list member who
offered an equitable trade, but now he is coming into my backyard. If you
feel that "amateur/non-business" cutters ruin a show then you should not
attend.  I sell few of the stones I cut, but when I do it is to recover the
cost of the rough I cut several stones out of. I primarily gift the fruit of
my labor to friends and family. You, as a self described business cutter
should be crying about third world imports of cut stones, not what a few of
us trying to recoup cost do. The vast majority of people I know who cut do
so for FUN, not as a vocation. I am the president of a gem and mineral club
and program director of a faceter's club so I come into contact with over a
hundred enthusiasts every month. At the shows I attend I LOVE to see
non-business dealers there, because they also LOVE THE HOBBY!! They are not
necessarily trying to retire off the profits they make. These are the
dealers I see handing a handful of rocks to kids and expecting nothing in
return except "Thank You". The hobby we love seems to be dying of old age
and the kind of attitude you espouse does not help.  All too often the "Pro"
dealers are all about making another sale, not keeping the hobby afloat. I
deal with rough purchases on a business like manner. If the rough looks like
something I want to cut, I buy it. If I get hosed, then it is my tough luck.
I also try to spread out the good fortune when I do run into a nice deal by
including friends in on the purchase. I have in the past been associated
with other lists and left them, when I found them to be fronts for sales of
materials.
What I guess I am trying to say to you is "Lighten UP"! I don't mean this as
an attack on you personally, but an advisory that the many non-business
cutters out there are here to stay. Get used to it.


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Message:02

Subject: Copyright & Business
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:57:38 -0500
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "J Wagstaff" <wagstajo@kos.net>

Gerry wrote:
"Every person I have met who cuts their own stones sells them."
I have been cutting for almost 10 years and have not sold a single
stone.  This has pleased my wife and daughter up to now (lots of nice
earrings etc.) BUT this is changing.  I have been advised that it is
costing too much for rough and I either have to sell some stones or quit
facetting.(which I do not want to do)
"Everyone that learns how to cut ends up cutting stones for other
businesses"...   I wish I could.  I tried every jewellery shop within an
hours drive (about a dozen) and if it is not a diamond, sapphire, ruby,
emerald,tanzanite or tsavorite they are not interested, even if they
were free.  No market.
" The rough game being played on new hobbyists is shameful.  They are
buying stones with very little commercial value and paying way more than
the market value of the stones." ...........  Even on ebay I have been
seeing marginal rough going for prices higher than from reputable
dealers on a selected piece.(which probably encourgages dealers to up
their prices)

JWagstaff

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Message:03

Subject: RE: Copyright & Business
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:25:36 -0600
To: Faceter's Digest <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: gembin <gembin@spiff.net>

Hi Gerry Galarneau and All,

You Said: "Every person I have met who cuts their own stones sells them.
Everyone that learns how to cut ends up cutting stones for other businesses.
Hobbyist cutters that sell their stones and cut for businesses often do not have
a business license, are not listed as a business, and do not care to be in
business.  They want to take the money and have no business transaction."

I hear you buddy! Having been in the heating & cooling business over 50 years
keeping our 35 office employees, salesmen, installers and servicemen busy was a
concern... we called those hobbyist cutters you refer to as trunk mechanics in
my business. Any guy with a screwdriver, pliers and hammer were our competition.
Every time one of them gave up another jumped in to replace him.

We overcame trunk mechanics by doing expert work and workmanship better than
trunk mechanics did and sold our customers on the idea we would be around next
year so they could always count on us to take care of them 365 days a year night
or day, and we would still be in business next year. Since I closed my stores 9
years ago, I am still paying for my business phone monthly to refer former
customers to some of my former installers and servicemen that now have their own
business' and are carrying on the tradition.

What I'm driving at, Gerry, as a business professional you can overcome hobbyist
cutters... turn those stones into stepping stones. We hobbyists cutters will be
around forever, and rightfully so. We live in a free society. Believe me, I'm
not criticizing you... I understand your position. I only wish to let you know
how we handled the trunk mechanics problem. They got their scraps and we kept
going merrily along our way. As us faceters say, "It worked for me!"

Best Regards,
Doug "Rhodolite" Smith
Alton, Illinois, USA

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Message:04

Subject: The Old Amateur/Pro Thing.
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:50:05 -0500
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: "Jonathan L. Rolfe" <webmaster@gearloose.com>

At 01:28 PM 1/21/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Hobbyist cutters that
>sell their stones and cut for businesses often do not have a business
>license, are not listed as a business, and do not care to be in
>business.  They want to take the money and have no business transaction.

This is true in any field where there are good amateurs (And occasional bad
pros).  Wedding photography is notorious for it, for example.  But with all
the synthetics, Lab-Growns, etc. one would think a consumer would prefer to
buy from someone who will be around the following week.  A person paying
for a fixed address, or a business license whereby they can be located is
paying for a business identity, and those charges have to be passed
on.  But who wants something that "MIGHT" be an emerald?  Someone selling
an occasional stone should not be any real threat to an established
business of good reputation, because whomever bought that stone was most
likely not a prospective retail customer for an established business, anyway.
In like manner, part of the reason I am so Anti-Spam is simply because I DO
have a business license, and a hefty advertising budget for the size of my
business, so naturally I dislike someone out for a free ride.
The bright side, if there is one, is that bank transactions are being
scrutinized more carefully, and the Tax People are getting more
creative.  It is harder to hide "Hobby" or  underground income, and will be
more so in the future.
(I am not saying I am falling over with enthusiasm about the Civil
Liberties aspects of that, but it's a reality.)

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Message:05

Subject: RE: Galarneau's business remarks
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:50:35 -0700
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Ernie Hawes <ehawes7@comcast.net>

RE: "You may think this is cynical on my part, but this exactly what I
have run into in my 25 years as a business stone cutter.  Every person I
have met who cuts their own stones sells them.  Everyone that learns how
to cut ends up cutting stones for other businesses. Hobbyist cutters
that sell their stones and cut for businesses often do not have a
business license, are not listed as a business, and do not care to be in
business.  They want to take the money and have no business transaction.
 If you do not sell the stones you cut, you are the first and only
person I have ever met who does not sell their stones."

I think there's anther side to this coin.  The IRS doesn't recognize
hobbyist businesses that only have occasional sales.  Business
deductions for these folks are usually disallowed. Also, shows that I've
attended usually require dealers to have proof of a business license,
and often require collection of sales tax.  As an active amateur cutter
since 1974, I have sold very few stones, and am not required by IRS
regulation to report occasional hobbyist sales as business transactions.
 If I could, my costs would have exceeded returns many times over. I
could never get what my time is worth, let alone the cost of materials,
supplies and equipment depreciation.  The IRS frowns on businesses that
always lose money.  Frankly, I have given away many more stones as gifts
than I have sold, and over the years I have been fortunate to have built
a sizeable collection for my own enjoyment.  I believe that to be the
experience of the vast majority of faceters.  And frankly, I know many
faceters who have never sold a stone.  Our reward comes mostly from
creating something beautiful, not in making money.

I also don't understand the comments about people offering free help,
but always wanting something in return.  The faceting discussion lists
on the Internet are constantly providing free help from faceters all
over the world.  I've personally taught quite a number of people how to
facet, often using my own equipment, and have never charged anyone for
my services.  I'm sure there are a lot of others just like me doing
their part to further our wonderful hobby.  The hobbyist cutters, even
those few who cut several stones a week, will never be able to compete
with the professional cutters, and I really don't think that is their
desire.  We often think that we'd like to make our hobby pay for itself,
but in nearly thirty years of faceting, I doubt that I know more than
one or two people who can truthfully say that their cut stone sales pays
for their hobby.  The comments about people being scammed by so-called
rough dealers on the Internet probably has a considerable amount of
substance, but I have real doubts as to how those remarks apply to
writers of self-help books and especially people who teach.

Sorry if I've rambled on, but I felt that another perspective needed to
be given.

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Message:06

Subject: re: Copyright & Business
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 01:35:33 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: bob wimberley <knapper@napanet.net>

Hi Gerry, I'm afraid I'm another one of those rarities - a faceter that
hasn't sold a stone. After two years and several thousand bucks in
equipment (Facetron), stones (bought or dug myself) and education (I'm
about halfway through the GIA G.G. program) I have yet to make a profit
(monitarily, at least). What I do have is an immensly challenging and
personally rewarding HOBBY that allows me to meet a large number of frendly
people who are very willing to share their faceting with me.
   You're right though, someday I'd LOVE to be good enough to make a couple
of bucks from my hobby. I DO have a busness license 'cause I can't get into
some of the shows at Tuscon without it. You said that new hobbyists "are
buying stones with very little commercial value and paying way more than
the market value of the stones." but then you complained that "non-business
cutters trying
to sell their goods out number the legitimate customers." It seems to me
that if the hobbyist is really paying so much more than he or she should
just for the rough, I don't see how he/she can sell it cut for less than
the commercial busnessman who buys rough by the kilo and has it cut in Burma.
   Re: "Copyrights are legitimate business tools and should be respected."
Right on, bro. If somebody wants to put a lot of sweat and tears into
designing a raft of designs and make a few bucks selling them to the
community, he deserves a little protection. When I was starting out, I
bought lots and lots of designs. It turns out I bought more designs than
I'll ever be able to cut, but then I probably have more rough than I'll
ever be able to cut, either. What few designs I am ever able to make will
be public domain, since that is probably the only way I can pay back the
community for their advice and support.  My two bits worth.
Bob
Napa Valley

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Message:07


Subject: cutting for fun
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:37:37 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Bud Schroeder <bshmt@juno.com>

Hi In reply to Gerry and the list.  You just found a hobby cutter that
cuts just for the fun of cutting. Of course I have five children .
Eighteen Grandchildren and Twenty Greatgrandchildren. I don't cut on
request, only at my speed. I just finished a  10 x 8 Garnet pendant. It
only took three weeks. The reason I worked so fast the weather kept me
indoors. I am sure that my granddaughter will like it ,It's her
birthstone.
................ Bud Schroeder
                In the center of So. Cal.

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Message:08

Subject: RE: Issue No.48 - Tuesday January 21, 2003
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:29:17 -0500
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Naomi Sarna" <nsarna@earthlink.net>

Hello all; What we do for fun or profit can be full of unexpected, scary
health hazards.  I had a flood in August and I've been ill with respiratory
problems since the cold weather came and I closed the windows. My apartment
was tested and in my bedroom was a big mold problem, but not just from the
flood. My faceting machine is in a corner of my bedroom and tucked under and
behind some stuff was a waste flow tube from my Ultra-Tec. I hadn't paid
much attention to it since everything seemed to be working well, but as I
was tearing everything apart to find where the mold was living, I discovered
the tube was full of black mold, apparently living off the debris from
cutting which had coated the tube. I have installed a new tube and applied
fungicide all over, but it gives one pause to think how many of us have this
hidden demon and the health problems which arise from it. I now flush a
little bleach down the tube after cutting and cleaning up and hope this
takes care of it. I also sleep with a HEPA filter. I wonder what others do
to maintain healthy standards who have to squeeze their machines into the
bedroom because of space problems? I'd love to hear other solutions. Naomi
in New York

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Message:09

Subject: PINK ZIRCONS
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:13:48 -0600
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "William Smith" <westernpd@ev1.net>

I just finished mailing out the last orders on the Pink Zircon Rough and
I am looking forward to hearing form everyone that cuts a stone from
this material. I know some people missed out but do not fear I just got
more in. The prices are the same and if anyone else wants some just drop
me a line and westernpd@ev1.net

Thanks Again,

William
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Message:10

Subject: China Hollow Blue Biggs
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:14:42 -0800 (PST)
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Dale Rhode <rhodescabbin@yahoo.com>

Hi All,

I have been working with China Hollow Mines located between Biggs Jct and
Wasco Oregon. This past year we discovered several new deposits of some
FANTASTIC Jasper and Agate. The agate, dubbed Dolphite in honor of Howard
Dolph of Rufus is some of the best Agate I have ever seen. Excellent Sphere
material and great for knapping. It is gemmy orange/reds/blue and colors I
can't even describe....The China Hollow Blue Biggs will most likely be changed
to China Hollow Picture Jasper as it is harder then typical Biggs. The blues in it
are breath taking and because of it's hardness it takes a super polish. Now we
don't know how deep either deposit will run. But the prospects have been
promising...With the experience and knowledge this group has I would really
be appreciative if some of ya'll could give this material a try...We will give HUGE
discounts on folks who will work the material for re-sale under it's given name...
China Hollow Mines owner Don Hilderbrand can be reached at his home for
further inquires just give him a call at 1-541-442-5512 or email him at:
ghilder@gorge.net or chinahollowmines@yahoo.com or email me. Also please
visit the China Hollow Page for more information at:
http://maxpages.com/biggsjasper/CHINA_HOLLOW_BIGGS_N_DOLPHITE?cart=2603e2dc2cc

Thanks a bunch!!!!

Dale Rhode of Rhodes Cabbin And Gems

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Message:11

Subject: RE: Issue No.48 - Tuesday January 21, 2003
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:38:05 -0500
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Naomi Sarna" <nsarna@earthlink.net>

Hello again. I have purchased various types of rough and I'd like to tumble
polish some of it. Before I ruin some of the beautiful Mexican cherry opal
or labradorite, or quartz, or aquamarine, I'd like to know if it's possible
to tumble together relatively similar hardness stones, such as the
labradorite and the opal, or should they just be kept separate as a matter
of general policy? How about final polishing if not before?

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Message:12

Subject: Spam?
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:05:04 -0700
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: John McLaughlin <jemstone@amug.org>

> Subject: Ceylon Sapphire Crystals
> From: NJ826826@aol.com
>
> Is anybody like to buy nice Ceylon Natural sky blue Sapphire Crystal & mix colors
> crystal in translucent - Opaque..Collector's specimens these crystals are grown in
> hexagonal (six sided) structure, with additional faces sloping towards a point at one
> end. Selling them for U.S $0.50 per Carat (10 carats - 75 carats size stones). Good for
> making Pendants out of it.
>
> Now its available cheap for all members.
>
> Sainul Mohamed

Does anyone know who Mr. NJ826826 is?  It appears to be spam, but maybe he is legit.   At
least he is not trying to get a fortune in "Sapphire Crystal & mix colors" out of Sri
Lanka via a Nigerian intermediary who eventually asks for a large sum of money from us.
He actually seems to have seen a corundum crystal, though last time I looked their
sloping faces pointed to two ends, when not snickering.

John McLaughlin
Glendale, Arizona

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Hi John,  It is not possible for anything to be sent to the list unless I include it myself.
Sainul Mohamed is a list member and can post ads for inclusion as can any member.
However, if I begin to get too many ads as opposed to educational content I will be
forced to limit the number of ads that can be posted from any member in one month.

Thurmond

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Message:13

Subject: Re: Issue No.48 - Tuesday January 21, 2003 CEYLON SHAPPHIRE crystals
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:22:12 EST
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Bellcha7@aol.com

att. SAINUL MOHAMED:Please send method of payment.   bellcha@yahoo.com  
THANK YOU  CHARLES W. BELL JR.

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Hi Charles and everyone.  When you see an ad for rough offered or wanted please
respond directly to the individual rather than posting to the list. Future replys to ads will
not be published.

Thurmond
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Message:14

Subject: AD: gem cutting
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:09:22 +0600
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Ahmed Shareek <shareek@jewelrycombine.com>

Hi friends ,
Do you have parcels of rough just kept a side because you cant be bothered
with cutting small stones ? Or may be even you dont have the time ?
Well here is an opportunity have them faceted at very low rates .... rates
start at $ 0.30 and the cutting Quality is Superb , go to My web site at
http://www.ahmeds.com/shop
See what my customers have told , see the cutting rates .... And send the
stuff to me ( smile )
I will have cutting capacity after Tucson, so go on take those parcels out .
Regards
Ahmed Shareek
gems@ahmeds.com

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Message:15

Subject: AVAILABLE FOR SALE
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:33:41 EST
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Scanlanmg@aol.com

Pebble Designs recently received our first lot of CZ rough.  This Russian
material is hard to beat for the quality, most at $.06 per ct.  Cheap for
beginners practice and classy enough for the professional cutter.  Pictures
are available from the website.  Click the CZ button on the home page.

www.pebbledesignsbymolly.com

Regards,

Mike

Mike Scanlan
Pebble Designs
PO Box 1014
Hixson TN  37343
USA
www.pebbledesignsbymolly.com

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RESOURCES FOR LAPIDARIES ~

Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org
http://webdev.archive.org/ then enter www.liccini.com

RESOURCES FOR FACETER'S ~

Facetron: http://www.facetron.com/
Graves: http://www.rockhounds.com/graves/
MDR: http://www.mdr-facet.com/
Polymetric: http://www.polymetricinc.com/
Ultra-tec: http://www.ultratec-facet.com
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
http://www.fac-ette.com/ 800-336-9248.
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com

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RESOURCES FOR GEMOLOGISTS ~

Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
My Gemologist http://www.mygemologist.com

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FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~

*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, wmcnay@mindspring.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: ghgemcutter@earthlink.net
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, rockpeddler@attbi.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, lklomp@cnetech.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, Tyler Miller,  tmiller277@comcast.net
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
Queensland. http://cwpp.slq.qld.gov.au/afg
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, attaway@highfiber.com
http://www.attawaygems.com/NMFG
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch chuck_b@prodigy.net
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, gemsbyj@aol.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net)
http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.
wrheitland@shaw.ca

(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write to
( owner-lapidary@caprock-spur.com or owner-faceters@caprock-spur.com )

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TODAY'S FUNNY ~

Catching the bear
Two men went bear hunting. While one stayed in the cabin,
the other went out looking for a bear. He soon found a huge
bear, shot at it but only wounded it.

The enraged bear charged toward him, he dropped his rifle
and started running for the cabin as fast as he could. He ran
pretty fast but the bear was just a little faster and gained on
him with every step. Just as he reached the open cabin door,
he tripped and fell flat.

Too close behind to stop, the bear tripped over him and went
rolling into the cabin.

The man jumped up, closed the cabin door and yelled to his
friend inside, "You skin this one while I go and get another!"

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REFLECTIONS AND TIDBITS:

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--- Author Unknown ---
 
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From: "RICHARD P ROSENTHAL" <kenaii@earthlink.net>

Green Siberian Nephrite Jade , Jewelry and
Carving grades available sold by the gram, pound kilo or ton excellant
prices and discounts for large amounts. also availble a small amount of
"mutton fat" jade.  I have slabs  and also weathered boulders. If
interested please reply to kenaii@earthlink.net

01162003
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Rough to Cut
If you're looking for quality facet rough please check out Rough to Cut,
http://www.roughtocut.com. We offer a wide range of quality facet rough
from Aquamarine to Zircon. Large selections in stock currently of Beryl,
Garnets & Tourmalines. Please check us out & when you do, why not give a
try to our contest, you could win a 5ct + piece of Spessartite garnet
facet rough.

Noel
Rough to Cut
http:www.roughtocut.com

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Subject: AD
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "P. Miklik" <b-daw@pacbell.net>

AVAILABLE FOR SALE
Contact b-daw@pacbell.net

ZIRCONS
Honey, red & brown zircons, 10g parcels @$20/parcel

GARNETS
Red Garnet $8/g, eye clean-slightly included
Spessartine Garnet $7.50/g, slight-moderately included
Malaya Garnet $6/g, good eye clean roughs
Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included

TOURMALINES
Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
Green/Green Blue Tourmaline $10/g, eye clean roughs

SAPPHIRES 
Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly         
included, up to 1g.

BERYL  
Blue Beryl (Aquamarine) $6/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals
Green Beryl (Emerald) $10-$50/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals,
zoned green
Cabbing Grade Aquamarine $3/g

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Rock Peddler
Complete online discount catalog for cabbing and faceting machines, wheels,
laps, polishes, diamond saws, diamond blades, and general lapidary supplies
at http://www.rockpeddler.com.

09272002P
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Gewelers Gems
e-mail: sales@jewelersgems.com
Solid copper laps 1/4 thick 8" and 6"  you can charge both sides with
diamond. http://www.jewelersgems.com/faceting_laps.htm

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NOW ONLINE!  RRGaetan Gem Rough - Featuring excellent, facet-grade,
Colombian Emerald rough! PLUS, Chrome Tourmaline, Achroite Tourmaline,
Golden Chrome Tourmaline, Aquamarine, Spess, Mint and Malaya Garnets,
and more! For photos and more information, visit us at rrgaetan.com.

11242002RP
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COMPETITIONS:

For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
World-Class Cutters:

This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host its
first National and International Faceting Competition.  It is called
the North American Faceting  Challenge -- 'NAFC.'   Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of  the
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since 2001,
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.   The
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition.   Please note:  The designs and rules
can be downloaded at  <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003;  the amount of time between the
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2."   If   further
information is needed, please contact me at <clmoon@pacbell.net>.

Charlie Moon

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SHOWDATES:

~ CALIFORNIA


FACETERS SYMPOSIUM 2003
  Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
    At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
           Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003


     You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show.  The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th.  That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday.  The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June.  All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.

     The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests.  A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium.  There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels.  Get started on your
competition entry soon.

     The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.

     For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below.  Ask for one of the Packets.  Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.

Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630        email:   glennklein@yahoo.com

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~TEXAS

Subject: show dates
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:32:31 -0600
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Archie Scott" <asscott2@door.net>

Lubbock Gem and Mineral Society is proud to present it's 45th annual
Gem, Mineral, Fossil,& Jewelry Show.
WHEN: May 17-18, 2003
Where: Lubbock Civic Center, Lubbock, Texas
Time: Sat.5/17: 10am-6pm
      Sun.5/18: 10am-5pm
For more information contact Archie Scott
e-mail: asscott2@door.net
telephone: 806-894-1584       


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LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST PERSONALS:


KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something like the
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
faceter@bigfoot.com
Larry W. Davis
******

ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri) A
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend to meet
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received an
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's FREE! ;o)
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: gembin@spiff.net
******

INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in starting
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields. Nice
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
J.Pysnack" <wjpin@home.com>
******

S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ tbird@bayouself.org. (Thom
Bird - Chalmette, LA)
*****

MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at jennings@netdoor.com Thanks, Jim
*****

TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: hankswan@earthlink.net or
gemscc@msn.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
(evenings).Hank swan
******

WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield
winfielr@inra.nimh.nih.gov
******

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