Issue No.47 - Monday January 20, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
Click a link below to post to the list:
for faceting questions  faceters@caprock-spur.com
for lapidary questions lapidary@caprock-spur.com
Index to Today's Digest

01  Gearloose _finally_ gets to cut a stone
02  Wood Laps
03  Re: copyrights
04  Re: African Rough Source
05  Jubilee Project Update
06  Re: Older than Dirt
07  Re: Older than Dirt



Subject: Gearloose _finally_ gets to cut a stone..
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 09:41:42 -0500
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: "Jonathan L. Rolfe" <webmaster@gearloose.com>

First stone on the new Rev XS!
Noel Rowe was one of the early builders of the Revision "H" faceting head,
to which he added a digital stepper motor and controller.
Upon seeing the new "Revision XS" faceter, he knew that the only way to get
me out of the shop, making machines and BATT laps was to "Motivate"
me..Which he did by sending me some very tempting rough to try. I was
attracted by the beautiful teal/cyan color of a piece of fluorite. I had
not cut it in twenty years, so it was with some stage fright I approached
the challenge. Using a 1200 plated diamond lap as a "hogging" lap was
novel, but the cutting and polishing was quite uneventful, except that I
ran the BATT lap at 550 RPM. For a heavy-handed speed animal like me that
was a first.
My timidity caused me to do two things: I made a thick girdle because of
fluorite's cleavage, and I also cut it as I do topaz, by skewing the
crystal slightly off-axis so that no cleavage plane coincided with any
facet main. I cut it as a freeform because I wanted to maximize yeild. OK,
I was greedy; I left a little veil in.
Noel had also included some spessartite garnet and some mint peridot that I
am dying to try. I had always neglected spessartite because I felt it
looked too much like citrine...but that shows that you have to actually SEE
the rough before arriving at such prejudices..this stuff looks like fire.
The mint peridot is going to make an incredible barion..it is just light
enough so a big stone (It's a big piece of rough!) will retain brilliance
and color saturation.
The stone is up at http://www.gearloose.com/fluorite.html
I'll get better with more practice! I HATE to say how long it has been
since I cut a stone!


Subject: [Fwd: wood laps]
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 11:12:48 -0500
To: LapidaryList@yahoogroups.com, LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Kreigh Tomaszewski <Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net>
Cc: Emily Faris <harem@wyoming.com>

I am unable to help with the question below that came into my website
because I have no experience with wooden laps. If any of you with more
experience are able to help, please copy Emily on your response. Thanks!


do you know anything about making and charging wood laps with diamond? 
i've made six maple laps and i have diamond compound from 325 to 100000.


Subject: copyrights
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:44:12 -0800
To: Faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Bud Schroeder <bshmt@juno.com>

After my inquiry about copyrighting a facet diagrams . I have received
many e-mails . Most of them giving me a good explanation. A few facetor
want to cash in the hobby. One e-mail I received ,said that he
copyrighted his diagrams to protect them for the facetors Who else would
use them ?  Dr. Herschman hit it right on the head !! What ever happend
to enjoying the hobby and have fun cutting rocks
......Bud Schroeder
   In the center of So.Cal.


Subject: Re: Issue No.46 - Friday January 17, 2003
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:01:28 -0800
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Noel Rowe <noel@roughtocut.com>

>  Can anyone here refer me to an African source for large, exemplary
> (clean) gem roughs?

Hi Doug,

have you tried Africa Gems at http://www.africagems.com/



Subject: Jubilee Project Update
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 02:41:10 +0000
From: Michael Hing <post@maiko.demon.co.uk>

Hi there everyone,
Sorry about the lack of communication, but I take my Gemmology diploma
exams next week and I have been very busy.  Quick update on the Jubilee
1) Unless anyone has any big objections, the deadline for the project
will be the Golden Jubilee of Coronation Day: 2nd June, 2003.  Still
enough time, but the clock is ticking!
2) Where to send the stones: this may be turning into a problem.
Several people have already politely expressed their doubts about
sending gemstones to someone they don't know (I appreciate your
concerns, by the way!).  For this reason, I wanted to try to arrange for
people to send their contribution directly to Buckingham Palace.
However, I have been unable to get a response and I suspect that they
may think this is some kind of scam on my part.  So I'm now trying to
contact the Golden Jubilee organisers (a Government department in
London) and hopefully I will get a response from them instead.  But if
anyone has any contacts in this field (know any diplomats?) or if anyone
has any suggestions as to a "trusted intermediary" who people could send
their stones to (people have suggested the GIA or maybe the Gemmological
Association of Great Britain), please let me know!
3) Could William and Kimberly Timko please get in touch with me ASAP
regarding the project?  Thanks!
My e-mail is "jubilee@maiko.demon.co.uk"

Responses to Last Issue's Funny


Subject: Re: Issue No.46 - Friday January 17, 2003
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 19:37:27 -0500
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Kreigh Tomaszewski <Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net>

LapidaryArtsDigest wrote:
> 16. What did all really savvy students do when mimeographed tests were
> handed out in school?
> a. Immediately sniffed the purple ink, as this was believed to get you high
> b. Made paper airplanes to see who could sail theirs out the window
> c. Wrote another pupils' name on the top, to avoid failure


The purple ink was from a 'ditto' machine, not a mimeograph.



Subject: Older than who?
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:45:37 -0800
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Gail Bumala" <laboom@cascadeaccess.com>

    Thank goodness I got three wrong, or I'd be older than God! I'm only
just 46 but grew up in small town Oregon during my formative years. I
know the songs that the generation before the one now in nursing
facilities knew. Mostly because my family talked a great deal about the
way things were, since I was born only ten years after WWII ended. Most
of the TV shows were westerns or war stories. I recall having to do duck
and cover drills. Grew up terrified of "The Bomb."
    It's so gorgeous, if I didn't have commitments, I'd pop over the
mountain to dig rocks!    Gail Bumala, Sandy, Oregon, USA 



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Facetron: http://www.facetron.com/
Graves: http://www.rockhounds.com/graves/
MDR: http://www.mdr-facet.com/
Polymetric: http://www.polymetricinc.com/
Ultra-tec: http://www.ultratec-facet.com
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
http://www.fac-ette.com/ 800-336-9248.
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com



Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
My Gemologist http://www.mygemologist.com


FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~

*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, wmcnay@mindspring.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: ghgemcutter@earthlink.net
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, rockpeddler@attbi.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, lklomp@cnetech.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, Tyler Miller,  tmiller277@comcast.net
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
Queensland. http://cwpp.slq.qld.gov.au/afg
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, attaway@highfiber.com
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch chuck_b@prodigy.net
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, gemsbyj@aol.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.

(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write to
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Subject: Re: Issue No.46 - Friday January 17, 2003
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:14:53 -0500
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Kreigh Tomaszewski <Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net>

LapidaryArtsDigest wrote:
> ====================================
> Message:01
> Subject: Thurmond, I have to complain!
> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 01:00:53 -0800
> To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
> From: Tony <lightbender@thegemdoctor.com>
> Hello Thurmond,
> I was citrine my chair reading my Lapidary Arts Digest and I'll
> telluride now, in sapphire as I'm concerned dosh garnet,  jasper
> cos you can make awful rock puns we poor list members shouldn't
> have to sulphur the consequences. I know Ha told you nobody will
> mind but Halide, he always does, you can take that for granite.
> He bakes a cake all wrong but he gets the pyrite, compliment him
> and he'll give you a slice and besides, heliodor the attention.
>  He asked me if I was getting a new car, he said "isn't that
> carnelian antique?"
>  "It still beryls along nicely" I replied.
>  " Did ya get it in a tufa one sale" he quipped.
>  " It's a great car" I retorted " I take it out on at least one
> rhodonite".
>   He then made me an offer so insulting I figured someone had
> given haematite fitting pair of briefs, so I said to him. "Go
> gypsum body else, messing with me is a decision you may rutile
> the day you die, I think there is an apollo geode!".
> I hope my complaint hasn't fallen onyx face, if it has I'll get
> it up off the fluorite away,
>  Well I'm afraid it slate and I believe I hear cries o' pain from
> the list members and I was so hoping for chrysoprase.
> Tony.
> _______
> hehehehehehehehehe. O my what did I start. LOL
> Thurmond
> __________________________________________________________

Gary Brown got me working on these years ago and I kept them because
they were so much fun. My thanks to Tony for a _great post_!

(Answers below)

1. Bovine eats feldspar
2. Lawyers sue silica miner
3. Dr.Suess' miner in Death Valley
4. Strong sun in the Arctic
5. Turner finds rosy sandstone deposits
6. The San Andreas stops moving
7. Very sudden loss of soil
8. Helicopter to transport CU
9. Geometrically formed mineral in the shape of a hand-gun
10. Idiot who loves Isometric minerals
11. Shakespeare's petroleum comedy
12. Casino on a geologic fault
13. Person who doesn't believe in volcanoes
14. Very, very hot coffee
15. Geologist who can't stop talking shop
16. Group of shiny crystals
17. Vivacious agate
18. Volcanic tax form entry
19. Rutilated quartz that really isn't
20. Climber after fossil resin
21. Senor finds ore in meadow
22. Blind, underground anthracite miner
23. Rock-hammer marks on actor Tom's fingers
24. A well behaved reef inhabitant
25. Over-dressed dame who likes small quartz Xls
26. The effect of Darwin's theories
27. The only eruption in town
28. Silica army posts
29. Tie up your Aussie gems
30. Be lonely for a rock fracture
31. Spy some dense grey silica
32. Hollow rock ball made by GM
33. Hot spring at a pharmaceutical company
34. Marker for the Sweet Home entrance
35. We got rid of the nugget!
36. Mixed up metamorphic limestone
37. Salt observed in the day-time
38. Argentina gemstone
39. Mica deposit nears surface
40. Cartoon ghost likes semi-precious gem
41. Rona's diamond
42. Machine used to shape limestone
43. Volcanic glass disappears
44. Courthouse date for claim jumping
45. Muffin maker's claim gives indigestion
46. Deer runs into open pit mine
47. Annual celebration for brick makers
48. Strike-slip fault moves a bit
49. A pebble in my argyles
50. Tysons igneous intrusion
51. Wind which blows fissile rock around
52. Chamberlain's deposit
53. Dish made of sedimentary rock
54. Area around the top of a volcano
55. Rocks identical images
56. Unforgettable dinosaur
57. Cost of banded metamorphic rock


1. cow bites albites
2. quartz torts
3. a borax lorax
4. glacier erasure
5. Ted's red beds
6. fault's halt
7. an erosion explosion
8. copper chopper
9. crystal pistol
10. cube boob
11. oil's well that ends well
12. a dip-joint clip-joint
13. igneous ignoramus
14. lava java
15. an ore bore
16. cluster luster
17. chert flirt
18. an eruption deduction
19. inclusion illusion
20. amber clamber
21. Spain plain vein
22. coal mole
23. Cruises' bruises
24. moral coral
25. a drusy floozie
26. evolution revolution
27. an exclusive extrusive
28. quartz forts
29. rope all opal
30. miss your fissure
31. flint glint
32. Geo geode
33. Pfizer geyser
34. fine mine sign
35. sold gold
36. garbled marble
37. daylight halite
38. La Paz topaz
39. a rising mass of isinglass
40. Casper's jasper
41. Barrett's carats
42. a limestone grindstone
43. obsidian oblivion
44. rock pocket docket
45. Thomas' pumices
46. quarry quarry
47. clay day
48. rift shift
49. sock rock
50. Mike's dike
51. shale gale
52. Wilt The Stilt's silt
53. slate plate
54. cone zone
55. stones clones
56. Jurassic classic
57. gneiss price



" There is nothing beyond the reach of determination."

--- Author Unknown ---



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cabochon, carved & Slices, Emerald Faceting Rough, Emerald Crystals,
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Diamond Pacific Pixie polishing machine. All 4 Nova wheels recently replaced
with 90 % life...2 Galaxy wheels are at 50% life. A clean, good working
machine, priced at $475... E mail me at,  Send2mail@aol.com.


From: "RICHARD P ROSENTHAL" <kenaii@earthlink.net>

Green Siberian Nephrite Jade , Jewelry and
Carving grades available sold by the gram, pound kilo or ton excellant
prices and discounts for large amounts. also availble a small amount of
"mutton fat" jade.  I have slabs  and also weathered boulders. If
interested please reply to kenaii@earthlink.net


Rough to Cut
If you're looking for quality facet rough please check out Rough to Cut,
http://www.roughtocut.com. We offer a wide range of quality facet rough
from Aquamarine to Zircon. Large selections in stock currently of Beryl,
Garnets & Tourmalines. Please check us out & when you do, why not give a
try to our contest, you could win a 5ct + piece of Spessartite garnet
facet rough.

Rough to Cut


Subject: AD
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "P. Miklik" <b-daw@pacbell.net>

Contact b-daw@pacbell.net

Honey, red & brown zircons, 10g parcels @$20/parcel

Red Garnet $8/g, eye clean-slightly included
Spessartine Garnet $7.50/g, slight-moderately included
Malaya Garnet $6/g, good eye clean roughs
Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included

Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
Green/Green Blue Tourmaline $10/g, eye clean roughs

Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly         
included, up to 1g.

Blue Beryl (Aquamarine) $6/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals
Green Beryl (Emerald) $10-$50/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals,
zoned green
Cabbing Grade Aquamarine $3/g


Rock Peddler
Complete online discount catalog for cabbing and faceting machines, wheels,
laps, polishes, diamond saws, diamond blades, and general lapidary supplies
at http://www.rockpeddler.com.


Gewelers Gems
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Solid copper laps 1/4 thick 8" and 6"  you can charge both sides with
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For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
World-Class Cutters:

This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host its
first National and International Faceting Competition.  It is called
the North American Faceting  Challenge -- 'NAFC.'   Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of  the
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since 2001,
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.   The
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition.   Please note:  The designs and rules
can be downloaded at  <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003;  the amount of time between the
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2."   If   further
information is needed, please contact me at <clmoon@pacbell.net>.

Charlie Moon





  Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
    At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
           Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003

     You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show.  The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th.  That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday.  The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June.  All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.

     The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests.  A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium.  There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels.  Get started on your
competition entry soon.

     The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.

     For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below.  Ask for one of the Packets.  Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.

Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630        email:   glennklein@yahoo.com


Subject: show dates
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:32:31 -0600
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Archie Scott" <asscott2@door.net>

Lubbock Gem and Mineral Society is proud to present it's 45th annual
Gem, Mineral, Fossil,& Jewelry Show.
WHEN: May 17-18, 2003
Where: Lubbock Civic Center, Lubbock, Texas
Time: Sat.5/17: 10am-6pm
      Sun.5/18: 10am-5pm
For more information contact Archie Scott
e-mail: asscott2@door.net
telephone: 806-894-1584       



KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something like the
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis

ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri) A
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend to meet
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received an
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's FREE! ;o)
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: gembin@spiff.net

INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in starting
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields. Nice
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
J.Pysnack" <wjpin@home.com>

S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ tbird@bayouself.org. (Thom
Bird - Chalmette, LA)

MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at jennings@netdoor.com Thanks, Jim

TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: hankswan@earthlink.net or
gemscc@msn.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
(evenings).Hank swan

WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield

Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!


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