Issue No.45 - Thursday January 16, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
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Index to Today's Digest


02  Re: Novice information sought please
04  FS: Jade



Subject: Copyright
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:43:52 -0500
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Peter L. Herschman, M.D." <herschm@golden.net>

"That's why I was concerned about "copyfighting" concerning copyright of
stone designs."

Dear Doug "Rhodolite" and Friends,

One of the reasons I became deeply involved with faceting is the openness of
the participants in this hobby. As a member of the North York Faceting Guild
here in Toronto, Canada, I found a warm and open-hearted welcome, and an
absence of worry about copyright. Designs, often by internationally known
creators like Wilf Ross, Al Manestar and others, are freely shared and
distributed among the members and by the Newsletter written and edited by
our President, Bill Attwell. Bill's personality infuses our Guild and I
believe, is instrumental in furthering this sharing. Although I'm not at all
of the caliber of these men, I have written and presented a number of times,
always giving Bill a diskette with the presentation  for reproduction in the
Newsletter if he wished to use it. So far my work has been reprinted in
Australia, the USFG Newsletter, The Texas Faceting Guild publications, all
with appropriate credit to me, never with my explicit permission, but
certainly granted in keeping with the nature of our shared love of faceting.

I have learned a great deal reading first Paul Ahlstedt's Digest and now on
your's, Thurmond. Your generosity has been greatly appreciated by me, and
when I share with others (always crediting the source) by them. So I am
absolutely opposed to copyright of designs and many articles. In fact, I
tend to avoid those sources where the issue is germane. Perhaps my view is
narrow, but I think we can use many of the wonderful designs in Datavue
which are not copywritten.

Thanks again to all who have freely and generously given.

With best wishes,

Peter L. Herschman, M.D.


Subject: Novice information sought please
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 00:31:53 -0500
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com, core2rmh@hotmail.com
From: "Douglas Turet" <anotherbrightidea@hotmail.com>

Dan wrote:

"Hello, I'm seriously interested in learning to cut gems.  Can anyone please
give me pointers on equiptment?   I'm planning on having a missionary show
me how it's done soon. However, he's trying to sell me a  1,200.00 machine. 
I'm getting married in June and money is tight.  Can anyone provide
information on  where to obtain the best quality
used equiptment for the best price if this is the hobby for me?  I'd  like
for this to be a lifelong hobby which will allow me to cut gems for my wife
to be.  All replies sincerely appreciated!"

Hi Dan,

     Funny you should ask... about a week ago, there were several debates
about this! The best answer I can give you is that there are all kinds of
faceting machines out there, from the most basic to the most esoterically
extravagant, and each has its price point. In the "new machines" category,
at the lowest end, there's a hand-held faceting contraption called the
"Lap-Lap", which is basically a skeletonized frame made from three sections
of steel rod, welded to form a triangle, to which a dopstick and index gear
are attached, and with which their owner rubs a dopped stone back and forth
on a piece of grit-coated sheet copper, until a flat spot forms on the
     The "manual faceter" then rotates his dop and index gear to the next
setting, and so on, until the stone's facets are ground, then repeats the
process atop progressively finer grit until a polish is achieved. On the
'plus' side, it _is_ humanly possible to facet a stone this way; in fact, I
cut a small Montana Sapphire with one of these, last summer, on Ocean Beach
in San Francisco. On the 'minus' side, cutting that stone took about 12-15
hours, and with all of the other contaminants involved, the finish wasn't
anything to write home about.
     Fome there on, the next jump up would be to the faceting machines
imported by Dan Lopacki, which I'll soon be marketing, as well. As I will be
configuring them, they will be ready to ship for well under $700, complete
with full sets of cutting and polishing laps, dops, polishing compounds, dop
wax, some basic directions to get beginners (like yourself) up and running,
and a starter package of a few different kinds gem rough with which you'll
be able to both practice and, with any luck at all, begin to create some of
those things you've only seen in jewelers' windows, until now. From there on
up, the prices and qualities of machines take a faairly steep hike, stopping
briefly at that $1200 mark you'd mentioned, and then heading (sometimes
substantially) higher.
     By now, you're probably asking yourself, "What are the trade-offs?"
(And there are a few, to be sure.) For one thing, the more expensive
machines _are_ more expensive because their manufacturers are more exacting,
and their designs are more precise. So, while the inexpensive machines I'll
be offering will certainly enable you to cut beautiful stones, they will not
be as easily read to the 1/10 of a degree that most of the more expensive
machines are. As a result, many of the newer, computer-generated gem cuts
will require more effort to cut than if they were cut on a machine costing
twice as much. For another thing, some (but not all) of the more expensive
machines are prettier to look at, just as the BMW 7-series and Jaguar
X-series are, compared with many of the lower-end models.
     In the end, it all comes down to what you'd like to achieve with your
faceting, Dan. If you'd like to "cut your teeth" on something that's fairly
inexpensive, but solid enough to enable you to cut some nice stones, I think
I'll be able to help you out. If you'd rather save your money for a
higher-end facetor with more features, you'll find that someone like Rob
Kulakofsky (whom you can email at <rob@facetingmachines.com> ) can help you
out with everything you'll need. Or, you can take a spin of the proverbial
dice, shop around for a used faceting machine, and hope for the best! Either
way, if I can help answer any of your questions, please feel free to either
drop me a line or pick up the phone, and ask! Until then,

All my best,

Douglas Turet, GJ
Lapidary Artist, Designer & Goldsmith.
Another Bright Idea!
P. O. Box 162
Arlington, MA 02476, U.S.A.
Tel. (617) 325-5328
Fax: (928) 222-0815
Email: anotherbrightidea@hotmail.com


Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:13:03 -0600
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "William Smith" <westernpd@ev1.net>

I am VERY HAPPY to report that the PINK ZIRCON was just handed to me by
the Post Man. I know a lot of you have been kindly waiting for this day.
So, if I can post this, I ant everyone to get some of this material that
wants it but I only have 1000cts and all of these are shades of pink: I
have EIGHT stones that are all over 15cts and I am asking $5 a ct for
them. 28.78, 46.93, 21.33, 17.10, 17.83, 25.84, 20.45, 17.23. The other
804.51cts that run in sizes from 3cts to 14cts. The avg is about 5cts. I
want to sale these for $3 a ct. Shipping will be extra.

I am looking forward to seeing the finished gems that are cut from this
material. I am also looking forward to your emails. Please email me
direct westernpd@ev1.net


Subject: Classified
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 03:49:19 -0500
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "RICHARD P ROSENTHAL" <kenaii@earthlink.net>

Green Siberian Nephrite Jade , Jewelry and
Carving grades available sold by the gram, pound kilo or ton excellant
prices and discounts for large amounts. also availble a small amount of
"mutton fat" jade.  I have slabs  and also weathered boulders. If
interested please reply to kenaii@earthlink.net


Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org
http://webdev.archive.org/ then enter www.liccini.com


Facetron: http://www.facetron.com/
Graves: http://www.rockhounds.com/graves/
MDR: http://www.mdr-facet.com/
Polymetric: http://www.polymetricinc.com/
Ultra-tec: http://www.ultratec-facet.com
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
http://www.fac-ette.com/ 800-336-9248.
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com



Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
My Gemologist http://www.mygemologist.com


FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~

*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, wmcnay@mindspring.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: ghgemcutter@earthlink.net
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, rockpeddler@attbi.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, lklomp@cnetech.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, Tyler Miller,  tmiller277@comcast.net
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
Queensland. http://cwpp.slq.qld.gov.au/afg
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, attaway@highfiber.com
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch chuck_b@prodigy.net
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, gemsbyj@aol.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.

(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write to
( owner-lapidary@caprock-spur.com or owner-faceters@caprock-spur.com )



Several short geology plays on words

Okay, if you are a real geologist, you probably enjoy transferring geology
vocabulary into everyday situations. For example, if you agree with what
someone has said, you may say, You breccia! or My sediments exactly!

And if you are not pleased with the person's statement, you may resort to the old:

That's not gneiss!



" Don't be afraid of doing what you need to do."

---Author Unknown ---



From: "RICHARD P ROSENTHAL" <kenaii@earthlink.net>

Green Siberian Nephrite Jade , Jewelry and
Carving grades available sold by the gram, pound kilo or ton excellant
prices and discounts for large amounts. also availble a small amount of
"mutton fat" jade.  I have slabs  and also weathered boulders. If
interested please reply to kenaii@earthlink.net


Rough to Cut
If you're looking for quality facet rough please check out Rough to Cut,
http://www.roughtocut.com. We offer a wide range of quality facet rough
from Aquamarine to Zircon. Large selections in stock currently of Beryl,
Garnets & Tourmalines. Please check us out & when you do, why not give a
try to our contest, you could win a 5ct + piece of Spessartite garnet
facet rough.

Rough to Cut


Subject: AD
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "P. Miklik" <b-daw@pacbell.net>

Contact b-daw@pacbell.net

Honey, red & brown zircons, 10g parcels @$20/parcel

Red Garnet $8/g, eye clean-slightly included
Spessartine Garnet $7.50/g, slight-moderately included
Malaya Garnet $6/g, good eye clean roughs
Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included

Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
Green/Green Blue Tourmaline $10/g, eye clean roughs

Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly         
included, up to 1g.

Blue Beryl (Aquamarine) $6/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals
Green Beryl (Emerald) $10-$50/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals,
zoned green
Cabbing Grade Aquamarine $3/g


Rock Peddler
Complete online discount catalog for cabbing and faceting machines, wheels,
laps, polishes, diamond saws, diamond blades, and general lapidary supplies
at http://www.rockpeddler.com.


Gewelers Gems
e-mail: sales@jewelersgems.com
Solid copper laps 1/4 thick 8" and 6"  you can charge both sides with
diamond. http://www.jewelersgems.com/faceting_laps.htm


NOW ONLINE!  RRGaetan Gem Rough - Featuring excellent, facet-grade,
Colombian Emerald rough! PLUS, Chrome Tourmaline, Achroite Tourmaline,
Golden Chrome Tourmaline, Aquamarine, Spess, Mint and Malaya Garnets,
and more! For photos and more information, visit us at rrgaetan.com.




For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
World-Class Cutters:

This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host its
first National and International Faceting Competition.  It is called
the North American Faceting  Challenge -- 'NAFC.'   Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of  the
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since 2001,
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.   The
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition.   Please note:  The designs and rules
can be downloaded at  <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003;  the amount of time between the
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2."   If   further
information is needed, please contact me at <clmoon@pacbell.net>.

Charlie Moon





  Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
    At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
           Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003

     You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show.  The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th.  That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday.  The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June.  All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.

     The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests.  A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium.  There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels.  Get started on your
competition entry soon.

     The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.

     For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below.  Ask for one of the Packets.  Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.

Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630        email:   glennklein@yahoo.com



KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something like the
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis

ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri) A
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend to meet
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received an
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's FREE! ;o)
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: gembin@spiff.net

INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in starting
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields. Nice
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
J.Pysnack" <wjpin@home.com>

S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ tbird@bayouself.org. (Thom
Bird - Chalmette, LA)

MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at jennings@netdoor.com Thanks, Jim

TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: hankswan@earthlink.net or
gemscc@msn.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
(evenings).Hank swan

WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield

Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!


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