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LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST
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Issue No.44 - Wednesday January 15, 2003
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Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
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Committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
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Index to Today's Digest

FACETING MESSAGES:

01  Re: Newbie Garnet question
02  Re: Newbie Garnet question
03  RE: COPYRIGHTS
04  OPLC get together in Tucson and "The Contest"
05  Tucson 2003 Invitation

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FACETING MESSAGES


Message:01

Subject: RE: a newbie [rhodolite garnet] question
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 19:37:54 -0800
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Jill St. Michael" <jsdp@san.rr.com>

Hi Teri,

I can add a comment about the rough Rhodolite I've graded - kilos, piece by
piece, from a variety of sources/suppliers. I'd say, of the entire lot,
regardless of the source, about 30% has ever been good, quality, facet grade
material. Most varieties of Garnet - Andradite, Spessartite, Hessonite,
Tsavorite (green grossular), Pyrope and Rhodolite - are very often included.
The most common inclusions I've seen in Rhodolite are bubbles (tiny to
large), crystals, silk, and occasionally, "tree stumps." At least that's
what they look like under 10x... :-)

Hope to hear others' experience with this material's inclusions...or ANY
material's inclusions, for that matter. It's a fascinating topic and
enormously helpful with gem ID.

Jill

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Message:02

Subject: Re: Garnets
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 08:50:44 EST
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: JewelryGems@aol.com

Hi,
I have studied the art of gem faceting enough to know it is something I will
get into down the road. I know that these stones are too small for recut I
just am disgusted at the wasted time and money.

Politely, I made an error in buying from this supplier. Past good batches and
then bam very bad that is an old cooking trade problem. Hiding the bad apples
under good ones to slip a bad case through. (I am a retired chef)

I will just frankly find a new supplier and keep buying from several sources.

I will also let the previous supplier know that this practice was not
acceptable and that I am very concerned.

I appreciate all the information. I have a lot to learn about gemstones.

I like it because it seems there is never a way too know too much and always
something to learn. Just like cooking. 

I sell faceting stones to pay the bills so that I may work the rest of my
time in my studio carving cameos and now gemstones.

thanks,

I will be reading and listening.

Teri

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Message:03

Subject: RE: Copyright
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 01:44:54 -0600
To: Faceter's Digest <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: gembin <gembin@spiff.net>

Hi All,

Thanks to all of you for the information on copyrights concerning faceting
designs. My reason for asking is we had a bad experience with copyrights about
17 years ago.

A group of us St. Louis area Lennox heating/cooling dealers had been advertising
for several years on TV co - sponsoring the St. Louis Cardinal Baseball Games.
Our ad agency suggested we make a outstanding Christmas commercial to show
viewers our appreciation for their patronizing us. We went "all out" for this TV
commercial.

It was in November. Our ad agency had arranged for our group (12 couples) to
sing a Christmas Carol in front of a beautiful mansion home that the home owner
had graciously given us permission. It was cold as "Billy Be Derned" that night
and the agency had brought a snow blowing machine as the weather was forecast to
be clear. We were all dressed in suits, ties and the ladies were knockouts in
their attire with their pompous hair - do's. We also were about ready to freeze
it was sooo cccolddd!

The TV camera crew were taking the picture inside the huge living room with the
camera opening on an extreme close-up on a beautiful fancy large red ornament
hanging on a limb. Then the camera zoomed back showing the entire beautifully
decorated 10 foot high Christmas tree standing in front of Cape Cod paned glass
windows. Then zooming with the edge of the Christmas tree showing, out the
windows onto our group holding carol booklets as the carolers. About that time
real snow flakes started falling!

Each time they shot, we sang the entire Christmas Carol. Then we had to stand
there while the camera crew examined the tape to see if it was a "take". We had
to have them retake many times. The snow turned into a blizzard! Each take,
someone would move wrong, not sing, not smile, wipe their nose or shiver. We
were all wet frozen pups, women's hair do's turned to mops, but when they
finally "wrapped it" about an hour or so later, it was an outstanding commercial
with the carol beautifully done! We were really proud of it.

It aired on various St. Louis TV stations for about a week. Then the copyright
thing hit us. The Christmas Carol, "XXXXXXXXXXXX" was copyrighted! We had to pay
a royalty for each TV showing. Future showings would throw us far over budget.
We had to pay a bundle for that commercial... and then had to pull it!

That's why I was concerned about "copyfighting" concerning copyright of faceted
stone designs.

Thanks for your information,
Doug "Rhodolite" Smith
Alton, Illinois, USA

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Message:04

Subject: OPLC get together in Tucson and "The Contest"
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 21:14:06 -0800
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: Don Rogers <Don@Campbell-gemstones.com>

Just to let anyone who might be interested, I am going to be at the OPLC
Hob Nob and show off my RayDial.  Unfortunately, from Dave's last note to
me, he and Marcus will not be there.  It is a shame as I would love to meet
them.  Anyway, Rob has offered one of the clubs machines with the W/B
indicator for the contest.  It should be fun.  After all, this is what it
is all about isn't it?

Don

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Message:05

Subject: Tucson 2003 Invitation
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 06:03:52 -0300
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Robert P. Lowe Jr." <robertplowejr@uol.com.br>

TUCSON           February 6 - February 11, 2003             TUCSON
LOWE  ASSOCIATES  -  Robert P. Lowe Jr. invites you to visit us in
Booth # 205 at the GJX - Gem & Jewelry Exchange, Downtown Tucson, for
TOURMALINES - in Greens, Pinks, Indicolite, Rubelite, Salmon, Yellow,
Silver, Orange, Purple, Bi-color, Tri-color, - sliced, faceted,
cabochons, Paraiba and Rough. TOURMALINES in Watermelon Slices,
Singles, Matched Pairs, Sets, Cabochon Slices, plus all the other
Brazilian Colored Stones, including - Aquamarine, Citrine, Blue Beryl,
Rutilated Quartz (Calibrated), Imperial Topaz, Alexandrite, Kunzite,
Brazilian Opals - Crystal & Boulder, rare Purple Topaz Specimens,
Amethyst, Morganite, Faceted Gemstone Beads, Emeralds - faceted,
cabochon, carved & Slices, Emerald Faceting Rough, Emerald Crystals,
Emerald Specimens, Emerald Jewelry - And Faceted Spessartite Garnet.
Rough - Dark Aquamarine, Amethyst, Citrine, Spessartite garnet,
Lowe  Associates  -  Robert P. Lowe Jr.
Rua do Mirante, 573
13801-100 Mogi Mirim, SP, Brasil
Telephone: 55-19-3862-4217
Telefax:   55-19-3806-4354
e-mail: < robertplowejr@juno.com > in USA
e-mail: < robertplowejr@uol.com.br > in Brazil


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RESOURCES FOR LAPIDARIES ~

Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org
http://webdev.archive.org/ then enter www.liccini.com

RESOURCES FOR FACETER'S ~

Facetron: http://www.facetron.com/
Graves: http://www.rockhounds.com/graves/
MDR: http://www.mdr-facet.com/
Polymetric: http://www.polymetricinc.com/
Ultra-tec: http://www.ultratec-facet.com
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
http://www.fac-ette.com/ 800-336-9248.
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com

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RESOURCES FOR GEMOLOGISTS ~

Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
My Gemologist http://www.mygemologist.com

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FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~

*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, wmcnay@mindspring.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: ghgemcutter@earthlink.net
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, rockpeddler@attbi.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, lklomp@cnetech.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, Tyler Miller,  tmiller277@comcast.net
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
Queensland. http://cwpp.slq.qld.gov.au/afg
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, attaway@highfiber.com
http://www.attawaygems.com/NMFG
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch chuck_b@prodigy.net
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, gemsbyj@aol.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net)
http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.
wrheitland@shaw.ca

(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write to
( owner-lapidary@caprock-spur.com or owner-faceters@caprock-spur.com )

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TODAY'S FUNNY ~

Real news headlines

These are actual newspaper headlines gathered from papers across the country.

Man shoots neighbor with machete: The Miami Herald, July 3

Tomatoes come in big, little, medium sizes: The Daily Progress, Charlottesville, Virginia, March 30

Dirty-Air Cities Far Deadlier Than Clean Ones, Study Shows: The New York Times, March 10

Man Run Over by Freight Train Dies: The Los Angeles Times, March 2

Scientists see quakes in L.A. future: The Oregonian, January 28

Wachtler tells graduates that life in jail is demeaning: The Buffalo News, February 26

Free Advice: Bundle up when out in the cold: Lexington Herald-Leader, January 26

Prosecution paints O.J. as a wife-killer: Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel, January 25

Economist uses theory to explain economy: Collinsville Herald-Journal, February 8

 

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REFLECTIONS AND TIDBITS:

" He who knows not and knows not he knows not, he is a fool.
Shun him.
He who knows not and knows he knows not, he is simple.
Teach him.
He who knows and knows not he knows, he is asleep.
Wake him.
He who knows and knows he knows, he is wise.
Follow him."

--- Author Unknown ---

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "P. Miklik" <b-daw@pacbell.net>

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TOURMALINES
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Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
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SAPPHIRES 
Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly         
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BERYL  
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laps, polishes, diamond saws, diamond blades, and general lapidary supplies
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COMPETITIONS:

For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
World-Class Cutters:

This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host its
first National and International Faceting Competition.  It is called
the North American Faceting  Challenge -- 'NAFC.'   Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of  the
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since 2001,
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.   The
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition.   Please note:  The designs and rules
can be downloaded at  <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003;  the amount of time between the
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2."   If   further
information is needed, please contact me at <clmoon@pacbell.net>.

Charlie Moon

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SHOWDATES:

~ CALIFORNIA


FACETERS SYMPOSIUM 2003
  Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
    At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
           Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003


     You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show.  The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th.  That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday.  The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June.  All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.

     The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests.  A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium.  There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels.  Get started on your
competition entry soon.

     The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.

     For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below.  Ask for one of the Packets.  Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.

Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630        email:   glennklein@yahoo.com



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LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST PERSONALS:


KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something like the
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
faceter@bigfoot.com
Larry W. Davis
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ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri) A
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend to meet
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received an
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's FREE! ;o)
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: gembin@spiff.net
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INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in starting
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields. Nice
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
J.Pysnack" <wjpin@home.com>
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S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ tbird@bayouself.org. (Thom
Bird - Chalmette, LA)
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MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at jennings@netdoor.com Thanks, Jim
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TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: hankswan@earthlink.net or
gemscc@msn.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
(evenings).Hank swan
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WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield
winfielr@inra.nimh.nih.gov
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