Issue No.43 - Tuesday January 14, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
Click a link below to post to the list:
for faceting questions  faceters@caprock-spur.com
for lapidary questions lapidary@caprock-spur.com
Index to Today's Digest

04  Re: Newbie Garnet question
05  Re: Newbie Garnet question
06  Re: Newbie Garnet question
07  Novice information sought please
08  OPLC get together in Tucson

09  Complete GIA Diamond Correspondence Course
10  Classified Ad How-To



Subject: RE: Copyrights
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:52:58 -0500
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Baz" <Bazaar@starband.net>

In stainglass when something is copyrighted you can make it for yourself but
not to sell.


Subject: Re: Copyright designs et al
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:54:49 -0800
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: Tony <lightbender@thegemdoctor.com>

Hello Doug,

The idea of copyright and patent is to allow only the holder to
profit from their intellectual property, yes donation and gift
is trafficking even if the profit is only gratitude. What is
patented or copyrighted is the issue. If you purchase a
publication containing a copyright design you have the right to
use that design for any purposes that doesn't impinge on the
authors rights. e.g. You can't reproduce it for any form of
distribution, whether hand drawn, entered as data into a
computer programme, photocopied or scanned. You can't give away
instructions or drawings of the design with the stone, nor can
you call it your design or rename it. You can cut as many stones
as you want and dispose of them any way you feel fit but any
references to the design should be credited to the author but at
the very least you have to deny designing it.

The easiest way to disclose this information and to make your
work that much more credible is to supply a gemcutters
certificate with every stone that leaves your studio. The more
provenance you supply the more believable and valuable your gem
becomes, unsigned art has diminished value. Furthermore a little
name dropping doesn't hurt,  a customer will appreciate knowing
that his artist of choice is not only connected but appears to
have researched their project as well, even if they have never
heard of any names that you drop. Such as:
" The gemstone described in this certificate was cut by Anthony
Lloyd-Rees using copyright " Star of Alton " diagrams and
instructions designed by Master Gem Cutter Doug "Rhodolite"
Smith and published in "Gemcuts that changed civilisation as we
know it"

A patent is a little different as it involves not just the design
but the material too. In this case you can not reproduce that
design in that material. As most gem patents are for cuts on
diamonds this should present no problem for us as coloured stone
cutters.  You cannot however use the name to sell your product,
the closest you could come would be something like:
"Fashioned after Basil Watermeyer's patented diamond design known
as the Barion Cut and optimised for the properties of Topaz" As
the design in this case is for the described material only, you
may have the right to reproduce the design optimised for a
different material.

  Safest solution is to not distribute or reproduce any designs
other than your own or known PD designs, but cut any designs you
can get your hands on.


Subject: Re: Issue No.42 - Monday January 13, 2003
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:25:13 EST
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: MAPPLES@aol.com

Subj: Copyright
To: Doug and all:

> Does it mean you cannot "forward" it to another, as in email?

Good questions Doug. I am more familiar with Patents having been employed by
the Patent and Trademark Office, however, I am sure by the letter of the law
that if you have a copyright on file it cannot be copied in any form paper or
electronic. But that is only an opinion.

Can you sing a copyrighted song? I am sure you can however, I have heard that
you cannot sing "Happy Birthday" without paying a royalty.   Mel


Subject: RE. Reploshing stones??
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:57:55 EST
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Cutugem@aol.com

Teri, I am assuming by your description that you are purchasing stones that
have already been cut?? If so then the only way to get a chip out of the
girdle and not have a crooked stone is to recut the stone. Teeny chips
perhaps could be smoothed over and just leave you with a flat spot or a thick
girdle. Table chips can be also cut out and depending on the depth it just
cuts down on the crown height. If they are better cut stones you will kill
the meetpoints but if they are (gee have to be poilitically correct here}
production cut {hows that?} then it wont matter since no two facets match
anyway. Garnet does have a tendency as does quartz and some others to chip if
struck just right. Actually the more chip prone stones are set to protect the
girdle. That may be why others are not so chewed up.  Dennis on the North


Subject: Chipped Garnets
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:21:22 -0800
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Webb Long <webblong@mindspring.com>

Teri wanted to know about the chips on the Garnets?   It all comes down to
what chipped is?  It sounds to me like she got a batch of "faceted by
jam-peg in the far east!    Webb  Long


Subject: Re: Newbie questions
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:46:56 +0000
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: denney.wilson@att.net

The question of included rhodolite garnet was a good one but hard to answer.  I
know a couple of people who actually commercially mine the stuff here in NC and
I can tell you that there is clean material available.  However, it is not as
common as for some other garnet types.  Most clean pieces are very small, at
least around here (a 10 ct piece of rough is a real rarity).  Rhodolite from
Africa is a little cleaner, sometimes, but the color may not be quite as good. 
Inclusions are still the rule for larger pieces.  As to the chips, I asume you
purchased cut stones, from the mention of girdles.  If this is true, you
probably got cutting rejects, which would make the inclusions a likely larger
problem.  You can recut stones, but if they are already small, you may not have
much left when you finish, especially if you want clean ones.  If you have
never faceted before, you will have quite a bit of time and lots of material to
learn on with this stuff but be aware that the costs for getting started may be
higher than you wish, especially if you have not even purchased a tumbler yet! 
Good luck.


Subject: Novice information sought please
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:21:26 -0600
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: "Ren atta" <core2rmh@hotmail.com>

I'm seriously interested in learning to cut gems.  Can anyone please give me pointers
on equiptment?   I'm planning on having a missionary show me how it's done soon.  
However, he's trying to sell me a  1,200.00 machine.  I'm getting married in June and
money is tight.  Can anyone provide information on  where to obtain the best quality
used equiptment for the best price if this is the hobby for me?  I'd  like for this to be a
lifelong hobby which will allow me to cut gems for my wife to be.  All replies   sincerely

Thanks for your time,

Dan Handorff


Subject: OPLC get together in Tucson
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:17:45 -0500
To: "Lapidary Arts-faceting" <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Rock Peddler" <rockpeddler@attbi.com>

Wanted to let everyone know about the faceters get-together the evening of
Feb 4 in Tucson at the Old Pueblo Lapidary Club.The address is 3118 N Dale
Ave. It starts about 6pm and they usually collect some money and send out
for pizza at some point. I understand there will be some demonstrations -
also rough dealers. We will have a table and plan to bring our good natural
rough, which will be on sale; will also have some synthetics at 10% off our
usual prices. Please come and say hello - we love to meet people we've only
talked to on the phone, or emailed with. This is the third or 4th year for
this bash and everyone always has a good time.  Hope to see you all there

Jeanne & Bob Ridolfi - Rock Peddler
www.rockpeddler.com, www.facetinglaps.com, our special lap discount site
800-416-4348; M-F, 10:30am - 4:30pm, eastern time



Subject: Complete GIA Diamond Correspondence Course
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:14:39 -0600
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Kathlene R. Maas" <ekmgems@ivwnet.com>

Hello List,
     Along with all the Lapidary Journals, American Gemcutters
Publications, etc., that I need to move out, I have a complete GIA
diamond course from 1980 which I want to give you the first chance at. 
It consists of four, large hardbacked 3-ring binders full of
instructional material, charts, diagrams, pictures, etc.  It is
complete, right down to the corrected tests---43 chapters' worth.  It
dates back to 1980.  I have kept everything, and it is all in excellent
condition.  What is it worth?????  I guess, whatever any of you is
willing to pay.  I really don't know.  Let me know if you are
interested, and maybe you can give me some idea.
         Kathie Maas       ekmgems@ivwnet.com


Subject: Re: Issue No.42 - Monday January 13, 2003
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 20:17:09 EST
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Scanlanmg@aol.com


How do I go about listing under 'Classified Advertisements' ?



Mike Scanlan
Pebble Designs
PO Box 1014
Hixson TN  37343


Hi Mike, Just post your advertisement in plain text with the subject
Ad or FS. Any Ad placed will run until the end of the month it is placed
in unless you request a permanent Ad in which case it will only be purged
at the first of a calendar year or by request of the ad owner.




Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org
http://webdev.archive.org/ then enter www.liccini.com


Facetron: http://www.facetron.com/
Graves: http://www.rockhounds.com/graves/
MDR: http://www.mdr-facet.com/
Polymetric: http://www.polymetricinc.com/
Ultra-tec: http://www.ultratec-facet.com
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
http://www.fac-ette.com/ 800-336-9248.
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com



Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
My Gemologist http://www.mygemologist.com


FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~

*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, wmcnay@mindspring.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: ghgemcutter@earthlink.net
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, rockpeddler@attbi.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, lklomp@cnetech.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, Tyler Miller,  tmiller277@comcast.net
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
Queensland. http://cwpp.slq.qld.gov.au/afg
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, attaway@highfiber.com
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch chuck_b@prodigy.net
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, gemsbyj@aol.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.

(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write to
( owner-lapidary@caprock-spur.com or owner-faceters@caprock-spur.com )



A pair of tourists were out in the fields when they discovered an abandoned
well near an old farm house. Of course they're curious so they drop a small
stone into the well, but they never hear it hit bottom. They search and find a
larger rock and drop it into the well but once again hear nothing. They decide
they need something larger and search the farm yard for a larger object. After
much struggle, they manage to drag a large railroad tie to the edge of the well
and drop it over the edge.

After several seconds, a goat tears across the yard and without any hesitation,
dives head first into the open hole. The two tourists stand in amazement. About
then a farmer appears and tells them he is looking for a lost goat. The tourists tell
the farmer about the goat diving into the well.

"That couldn't be my goat", the farmer replies, "My goat was grazing in the field
roped to a railroad tie!"



Subject: Optimist Creed
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:19:05 -0800
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Kenneth Kipnis" <kkipnis@knology.net>

Hi Thurmond:
I thought that you and the rest of the list would like to know the rest of
the Optimist Creed

Promise yourself to be so strong that nothing can disturb your peace of mind.
To talk health, happiness, prosperity to every person you meet.
To make all of your friends feel that there is something in them.
To look at the sunny side of everything and make your optimism come true.
To think only of the best, to work only for the best, and to expect only the best.
To be just enthusiastic about the success of others as you are about your own.
To forget the mistakes of the past and press on to the greater achievements of the future.
To wear a cheerful countenance at all times and to give every living creature you meet a smile.
To give so much time to the improvement of yourself that you have no time to criticize others.
To be too large for worry, too noble for anger, too strong for fear,
and too happy to permit the presence of trouble.



Rough to Cut
If you're looking for quality facet rough please check out Rough to Cut,
http://www.roughtocut.com. We offer a wide range of quality facet rough
from Aquamarine to Zircon. Large selections in stock currently of Beryl,
Garnets & Tourmalines. Please check us out & when you do, why not give a
try to our contest, you could win a 5ct + piece of Spessartite garnet
facet rough.

Rough to Cut


Subject: AD
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "P. Miklik" <b-daw@pacbell.net>

Contact b-daw@pacbell.net

Honey, red & brown zircons, 10g parcels @$20/parcel

Red Garnet $8/g, eye clean-slightly included
Spessartine Garnet $7.50/g, slight-moderately included
Malaya Garnet $6/g, good eye clean roughs
Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included

Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
Green/Green Blue Tourmaline $10/g, eye clean roughs

Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly         
included, up to 1g.

Blue Beryl (Aquamarine) $6/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals
Green Beryl (Emerald) $10-$50/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals,
zoned green
Cabbing Grade Aquamarine $3/g


Rock Peddler
Complete online discount catalog for cabbing and faceting machines, wheels,
laps, polishes, diamond saws, diamond blades, and general lapidary supplies
at http://www.rockpeddler.com.


Gewelers Gems
e-mail: sales@jewelersgems.com
Solid copper laps 1/4 thick 8" and 6"  you can charge both sides with
diamond. http://www.jewelersgems.com/faceting_laps.htm


NOW ONLINE!  RRGaetan Gem Rough - Featuring excellent, facet-grade,
Colombian Emerald rough! PLUS, Chrome Tourmaline, Achroite Tourmaline,
Golden Chrome Tourmaline, Aquamarine, Spess, Mint and Malaya Garnets,
and more! For photos and more information, visit us at rrgaetan.com.




For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
World-Class Cutters:

This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host its
first National and International Faceting Competition.  It is called
the North American Faceting  Challenge -- 'NAFC.'   Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of  the
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since 2001,
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.   The
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition.   Please note:  The designs and rules
can be downloaded at  <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003;  the amount of time between the
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2."   If   further
information is needed, please contact me at <clmoon@pacbell.net>.

Charlie Moon





  Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
    At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
           Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003

     You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show.  The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th.  That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday.  The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June.  All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.

     The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests.  A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium.  There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels.  Get started on your
competition entry soon.

     The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.

     For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below.  Ask for one of the Packets.  Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.

Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630        email:   glennklein@yahoo.com



KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something like the
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis

ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri) A
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend to meet
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received an
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's FREE! ;o)
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: gembin@spiff.net

INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in starting
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields. Nice
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
J.Pysnack" <wjpin@home.com>

S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ tbird@bayouself.org. (Thom
Bird - Chalmette, LA)

MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at jennings@netdoor.com Thanks, Jim

TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: hankswan@earthlink.net or
gemscc@msn.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
(evenings).Hank swan

WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield

Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!


is produced by
Thurmond Moore III

Tempie Francis, Attorney at Law / Legal Advisor


The LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST is never sent unsolicited.
You are receiving it because you subscribed to it at our digest subscription page at:


To unsubscribe, just use the link below and follow the instructions there:


List Posting Guidelines and rules can be found at:
Web Site  http://www.gemcutters.org
Archives: http://www.gemcutters.org/archives.htm
Published Monday thru Friday, except holidays
from Spur,Texas
The Lapidary Arts Digest is moderated by:
Thurmond Moore III

List Policy: http://www.gemcutters.org/rules.htm
Share your love of lapidary with a friend!