Issue No.42 - Monday January 13, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
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Index to Today's Digest

02  A newbie question
03  Web Site Announcement
04  Fire Opal
05  Rev XS plans.

06  Advertisement: Dendritics Gemscales / Carat Scales



Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 02:52:44 -0600
To: Faceter's Digest <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: gembin <gembin@spiff.net>

Hi Mel Pears & All,

REFER: "If you copyright a design it protects your rights to not having
it published without your consent. The word here is PUBLISHED.  Someone else
can use it as much as they want."

I guess I'm hung up on what Clinton said, "It depends on what is... is."

What does 'PUBLISHED" mean?

Does it mean you cannot "forward" it to another, as in email?

Does it mean you cannot "forward" the Lapidary Arts Digest to another, as in

Does it mean you cannot cut a number of stones that are from a copyrighted facet
design and sell those stones to the public?

Does it mean you cannot cut a number of stones from a copyrighted facet design
and give them as gifts to acquaintances or relatives?

Does it mean you can cut a number of stones from a copyrighted facet design and
only keep them for your own personal use?

Doug "Rhodolite" Smith
Alton, Illinois, USA


Hi Doug, I can only comment on one point above. Forward the Digest to anyone
you want to. No restrictions there.


Subject: A newbie question
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 07:40:24 EST
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: JewelryGems@aol.com


I just received hundreds of carats of supposedly 'fine' garnet all with mild
to moderate inclusions and with 50% of the lot with tiny girdle chips or tiny
chips to the table.

Is garnet hard to get that is clean? All of my other stones are usually
exceptional from this place, but the Rhodolite garnet is always ... well

Is there a quick way to refinish these stones?  I have just purchased an OLD
spindle polisher grinder it works but I have no training in how to use
it...seems I should be able to polish these surface imperfections without
ruining the table.

What do I use?  I haven't purchased any machine for tumbling yet so your
advice here also would be appreciated.


"The more I learn the less I know."


Subject: Web Site Announcement
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:26:22 -0800
To: 'LapidaryArtsDigest' <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: John Bailey <director@vindico.com>

Hello, All,

I just finished posting a web site for the Juniper Ridge (facet fire opal)
Mine. On the site is information about rough for sale, fee-digging, cutting
and polishing, and a tour of the mine.

I'm personally very fond of the material (and of digging here), and I think
others may be as well if they check it out.

There's an offer on the site for free samples of facet rough.

The URL is www.juniperrridgeopal.com

As webmaster, I'd really appreciate any comments about the site.

Thanks very much, and good meets to all.

John Bailey


Subject: Fire Opal
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 09:54:23 -0500
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Tom Wilkie" <twilkie@mounet.com>

I recently purchased a couple of smallpieces of Mexican Fire Opal. I
have cut many pieces of Mexican cherry opal, but never any fire opal. 
Is a step cut normally the best for the fire opal?

Tom Wilkie  Kingsport, Tennessee


Subject: Rev XS plans.
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 08:02:08 -0500
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: "Jonathan L. Rolfe" <webmaster@gearloose.com>

At 10:06 PM 1/10/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi Jonathan, Will plans or machines be available? A complete gearloose
>faceting solution? That would be way cool !! LOL

I hope to be able to draw it up this time! It was made with more
self-discipline than the first model.  I actually took notes, instead of
dodging hot metal chips.


I can hardly wait. I am currently no machinist but I will be. LOL




Subject: Advertisement: Dendritics Gemscales / Carat Scales
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 23:33:06 -0800
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>,
From: "Steven W. De Long" <sdelong@san.rr.com>

Hi All,

I've recently been corresponding with JB (John Borchard) of Dendritics

He has closed his business (it's for sale but no takers so far) and has a
few scales left, if anyone is interested.

I just purchased his last 125 carat model.  I upgraded from an original 50
carat model I bought two years ago.  As many of you know, the Gemscales are
the Cadillac's of the pocket carat scales.  I love mine and I'm sad to see
Dendritics closing its doors so I thought I'd send this notice out as a sort
of public service announcement and a favor to JB.

The models available are:

Dendritics Millicarat Gemscale (M50)

List Price $595

Sale Price $450

Available:  Less than 5

Warranty - One year (originally two but reduced due to sale price and
closure of business)

The Millicarat has a 50 carat x .001 capacity and will weight gems to one
thousandth of a carat.  That's three decimal places; i.e. 25.021, etc.  This
scale was originally designed for the diamond market, has the same form
factor as the other gemscales (5 x 3 x 1 inches) and runs for 300 hours on a
9v battery.

Also, JB has one only of the first generation Millicarat scales for $400.

Dendritics 500

List Price $650

Sale Price $595

Available:  Less than 5

Warranty - One year (originally two but reduced due to sale price and
closure of business)

The D500 has a 500 carat x .01 capacity but also weighs in grams and
pennyweights.  It's the only scale I know of that has two displays.  One for
the customer and one for the owner.  This one is a little larger at 8 x 7 x
2 inches but still a very portable scale.  It will run for 1,250 hours (four
years) on 6 "AA" batteries and has a pan large enough to weigh 500 carats of

If you are interested in getting a great scale before they pass into history
contact JB @ jb@dendritics.com and even if you don't want a scale you should
check out the dendritics website @ www.dendritics.com. The website gives
complete descriptions of all the scales and JB has turned it into a museum
or sorts including some pretty complete descriptions of the technology
involved with the creation of the gemscales.

Also, You might be able to find one of the other models online before the
vendors run out (GIA is sold out; Jeff Graham lists the d125 on his site)
but this might be your last shot at a Millicarat, if you want super
accuracy, or a D500, if you need the extra capacity.


San Diego

PS - these scales were made in the USA.


Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:42:44 -0600
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Kathlene R. Maas" <ekmgems@ivwnet.com>

     The time has come for this old timer to get rid of a lot of her
"stuff".  The collection consists of 186 Lapidary Journals, 26 American
Gemcutter Publications, 2 Rock & Gem Magazines, and 1 Gems & Minerals
Magazine-for a total of 215 issues in all.  They are in very good
condition and span the years from 1964-1999.  Lapidary Journal issues
are complete for 10 of those years, and almost complete for 4 more
years.  American Gemcutter Publications run from Jan., 1987, to Apr.,

     I will probably put this on Ebay in the near future, but thought I
would give you folks the first opportunity to make me an offer I can't
turn down.  If you are interested, please e-mail me, and I will give you
the complete list with all the dates, copies, etc.

        Kathie Maas          ekmgems@ivwnet.com



Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org
http://webdev.archive.org/ then enter www.liccini.com


Facetron: http://www.facetron.com/
Graves: http://www.rockhounds.com/graves/
MDR: http://www.mdr-facet.com/
Polymetric: http://www.polymetricinc.com/
Ultra-tec: http://www.ultratec-facet.com
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
http://www.fac-ette.com/ 800-336-9248.
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com



Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
My Gemologist http://www.mygemologist.com


FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~

*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, wmcnay@mindspring.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: ghgemcutter@earthlink.net
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, rockpeddler@attbi.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, lklomp@cnetech.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, Tyler Miller,  tmiller277@comcast.net
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
Queensland. http://cwpp.slq.qld.gov.au/afg
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, attaway@highfiber.com
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch chuck_b@prodigy.net
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, gemsbyj@aol.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.

(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write to
( owner-lapidary@caprock-spur.com or owner-faceters@caprock-spur.com )



At a country-club party a young man was introduced to an attractive girl.
Immediately he began paying her court and flattering her outrageously.
The girl liked the young man, but she was taken a bit aback by his fast
and ardent pitch. She was amazed when after 30 minutes he seriously
proposed marriage.

"Look," she said. "We only met a half hour ago. How can you be so sure?
We know nothing about each other."

"You're wrong," the young man declared. "For the past 5 years I've been
working in the bank where your father has his account."



" Promise yourself....to be too large for worry,
Too noble for anger, too strong for fear
And too happy to permit the presence of trouble."

--- Author Unknown ---

Your Quote from Reflections & Tidbits is from the Optimist Creed.
Recited at the close of each Optimist meeting
Ken Kipnis

Thanks Ken



Rough to Cut
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from Aquamarine to Zircon. Large selections in stock currently of Beryl,
Garnets & Tourmalines. Please check us out & when you do, why not give a
try to our contest, you could win a 5ct + piece of Spessartite garnet
facet rough.

Rough to Cut


Subject: AD
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "P. Miklik" <b-daw@pacbell.net>

Contact b-daw@pacbell.net

Honey, red & brown zircons, 10g parcels @$20/parcel

Red Garnet $8/g, eye clean-slightly included
Spessartine Garnet $7.50/g, slight-moderately included
Malaya Garnet $6/g, good eye clean roughs
Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included

Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
Green/Green Blue Tourmaline $10/g, eye clean roughs

Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly         
included, up to 1g.

Blue Beryl (Aquamarine) $6/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals
Green Beryl (Emerald) $10-$50/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals,
zoned green
Cabbing Grade Aquamarine $3/g


Rock Peddler
Complete online discount catalog for cabbing and faceting machines, wheels,
laps, polishes, diamond saws, diamond blades, and general lapidary supplies
at http://www.rockpeddler.com.


Gewelers Gems
e-mail: sales@jewelersgems.com
Solid copper laps 1/4 thick 8" and 6"  you can charge both sides with
diamond. http://www.jewelersgems.com/faceting_laps.htm


NOW ONLINE!  RRGaetan Gem Rough - Featuring excellent, facet-grade,
Colombian Emerald rough! PLUS, Chrome Tourmaline, Achroite Tourmaline,
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and more! For photos and more information, visit us at rrgaetan.com.




For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
World-Class Cutters:

This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host its
first National and International Faceting Competition.  It is called
the North American Faceting  Challenge -- 'NAFC.'   Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of  the
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since 2001,
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.   The
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition.   Please note:  The designs and rules
can be downloaded at  <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003;  the amount of time between the
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2."   If   further
information is needed, please contact me at <clmoon@pacbell.net>.

Charlie Moon





  Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
    At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
           Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003

     You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show.  The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th.  That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday.  The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June.  All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.

     The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests.  A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium.  There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels.  Get started on your
competition entry soon.

     The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.

     For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below.  Ask for one of the Packets.  Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.

Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630        email:   glennklein@yahoo.com



KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something like the
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis

ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri) A
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend to meet
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received an
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's FREE! ;o)
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: gembin@spiff.net

INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in starting
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields. Nice
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
J.Pysnack" <wjpin@home.com>

S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ tbird@bayouself.org. (Thom
Bird - Chalmette, LA)

MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at jennings@netdoor.com Thanks, Jim

TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: hankswan@earthlink.net or
gemscc@msn.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
(evenings).Hank swan

WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield

Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!


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