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LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST
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Issue No.40 - Thursday January 9, 2003
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Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
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Committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
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Index to Today's Digest

01  Re: Trade For Geiger Counter
02  Re: Diamante Faceting Machine
03  Re: copyrights and faceting designs
04  Re: copyrights and faceting designs
05   Index gear wanted for Lee

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Message:01

Subject: Trade For Geiger Counter
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 01:01:24 -0500
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: "Douglas Turet" <anotherbrightidea@hotmail.com>

Gerry wrote:
"I do not trade my rough.  My rough is what I buy as my insurance that
over the years to come I will always have rough to cut..." and

"If I ever do go into selling rough it will be as a dealer and not a
sideline.  Ethically selling rough gemstones is a business all in itself
and I am not willing at this time to devote the time to ethically sell
rough gemstones.
  No trades."



     Believe it or not, Gerry, it's no sweat off my brow... I just tried to
do the right thing by both of us. And, while I can't begin to fathom how the
subject of ethics got interjected into the midst of an uncomplicated
suggestion of a product-for-product/business-to-business barter, that's
quite alright, too...
     Forget I ever mentioned it, but try to have a happy and healthy New
Year, anyway.


Douglas Turet, GJ
Lapidary Artist, Designer & Goldsmith.
Turet Design
P. O. Box 162
Arlington, MA 02476, U.S.A.
Tel. (617) 325-5328
Fax: (928) 222-0815
Email: anotherbrightidea@hotmail.com

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Message:02

Subject: Diamante Faceting Machine
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:31:08 -0800
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Chris Silbernagel" <csilbernagel@cbadams.com>

About two years ago I attended a Faceters show in Kennewick, WA. and one
of the Dealers at the show was demonstrating a faceting machine called
the "Diamante".

Does anyone know anything about this machine, good or bad?  I would
appreciate any references, or information, that anyone may have.  Also,
how can I contact the manufacturer?

Thank you,

Chris Silbernagel
csilbernagel@cbadams.com

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Hi Chris,  Here is a link with some closeups and description of the machine.
http://www.facetingmachines.com/diamante.shtml
I bet Rob can help you with any info you might need.

Thurmond

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Message:03

Subject: Copyrights
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 20:26:55 +0000
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "Michael Edgett" <chicket@msn.com>

Bud,
If you go to the U.S. Patent and Trademark site they explain copyrights as
protection of an "original work of authorship". THEY explain a copyright as
protecting the author from others copying the design and distributing it.
This protection includes the use of a copyright or tradename for that item.
This does not keep anyone from using that design in the creation of an item.
I gather, from their site, that a patent is the only protection offered
against others actually copying the item itself. The cost of obtaining a
patent alone, not to mention trying to enforce it, on something like a
gemstone design would seem to me to be a waste of time, (although there are
a number of patented designs in the system).

Mike E.

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Message:04

Subject: Patents
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 20:56:26 +0000
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "Michael Edgett" <chicket@msn.com>

My last post on copyrights got me going on this patent thing and I think
that it's really interesting what has been patented in just the last few
years regarding faceting and gemstones. I found one, #5,657,646
granted to a Mr. Rosenberg. Looking at this it seems to me to be extremely
similar to a lot of faceting diagrams that have been in circulation for the
past thirty years. I mean no offense to Mr. Rosenberg in this post, but I'm
not sure what advantage would be gained by anyone in patenting something
like this, or even why a patent would be granted. This technique is obvious,
and has been done before in many different outlines. Try this link and do a
quick search if you'd like to have a look.

http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html

What do the rest of you think of this?


Mike E.

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Message:05

Subject: index gear wanted
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 17:55:06 -0600
To: "Facet Digest" <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Larry Davis" <ldavis32@cox.net>

I am in need of a 96 index gear for a Lee OK head.

If you have one or know of one let me know.

Larry Davis

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RESOURCES FOR LAPIDARIES ~

Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org
http://webdev.archive.org/ then enter www.liccini.com

RESOURCES FOR FACETER'S ~

Facetron: http://www.facetron.com/
Graves: http://www.rockhounds.com/graves/
MDR: http://www.mdr-facet.com/
Polymetric: http://www.polymetricinc.com/
Ultra-tec: http://www.ultratec-facet.com
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
http://www.fac-ette.com/ 800-336-9248.
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com

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RESOURCES FOR GEMOLOGISTS ~

Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
My Gemologist http://www.mygemologist.com

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FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~

*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, wmcnay@mindspring.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: ghgemcutter@earthlink.net
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, rockpeddler@attbi.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, lklomp@cnetech.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, Tyler Miller,  tmiller277@comcast.net
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
Queensland. http://cwpp.slq.qld.gov.au/afg
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, attaway@highfiber.com
http://www.attawaygems.com/NMFG
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch chuck_b@prodigy.net
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, gemsbyj@aol.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net)
http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.
wrheitland@shaw.ca

(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write to
( owner-lapidary@caprock-spur.com or owner-faceters@caprock-spur.com )

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TODAY'S FUNNY ~

A driving school test

The following are a sampling of real answers received on exams given by the
California Department of Transportation's driving school.

Q: Do you yield when a blind pedestrian is crossing the road?
A: What for? He can't see my license plate.

Q: Who has the right of way when four cars approach a four-way stop at the same time?
A: The pick up truck with the gun rack and the bumper sticker saying, "Guns don't kill people. I do."

Q: When driving through fog, what should you use?
A: Your car.

Q: How can you reduce the possibility of having an accident?
A: Be too drunk to find your keys.

Q: What problems would you face if you were arrested for drunk driving?
A: I'd probably lose my buzz a lot faster.

Q: What changes would occur in your lifestyle if you could no longer drive lawfully?
A: I would be forced to drive unlawfully.

Q: What are some points to remember when passing or being passed?
A: Make eye contact and wave "hello" if she is cute.

Q: What is the difference between a flashing red traffic light and a flashing yellow traffic light?
A: The color.

Q: How do you deal with heavy traffic?
A: Heavy psychedelics.

Q: What can you do to help ease a heavy traffic problem?
A: Carry loaded weapons.

Q: Why would it be difficult to be a police officer?
A: It would be tough to be an idiot all day long.
 
 
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REFLECTIONS AND TIDBITS:

" Compared to friendship, gold is dirt."

--- Author Unknown ---
   
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To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
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COMPETITIONS:

For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
World-Class Cutters:

This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host its
first National and International Faceting Competition.  It is called
the North American Faceting  Challenge -- 'NAFC.'   Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of  the
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since 2001,
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.   The
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition.   Please note:  The designs and rules
can be downloaded at  <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003;  the amount of time between the
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2."   If   further
information is needed, please contact me at <clmoon@pacbell.net>.

Charlie Moon

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Subject: First USFG faceting list design competition.
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:29:21 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Dan Clayton <dclayton@speakeasy.org>

First USFG faceting list design competition.

Design: Hexagon or Hexagon Cushion in  Colorless or Colored Topaz

Judging: Highest number for total ISO values at 0, 10, 20,30, 40
and 50 degree tilt with five degree head shadow in GemFramx will
win. Example parameters are given below to achieve this configuration.
Online designs must be submitted by January 10, 2003. Design and
cut entries should have the design posted by that date but stone judging
will take place at the OPLC Hobnob in Tucson in February 2003.

Publication: All entries will be posted on the USFG faceting list site
and possibly on the USFG site as well. Designs may be included in
a USFG list CD. Designers maintain copyright to their designs but
must allow posting on the USFG faceting list site. Posting or publishing
elsewhere is not only permitted but encouraged.

Followup: Additional contests may be held for other shapes and
materials if there is sufficient interest and participation.

RI                                       1.61
head shadow                      5 degrees
ignore glare                     no (default)
tilt movie                       yes (default)
starting tilt direction    0
ending tilt direction     5 (default)
maximum tilt angle      50
tilt increment                   10
suppress VGA                     no (default)
concave                          no (default)
COS files                        no (default)
ISO files                                no ( you can enter yes if you wish
 but it will fill your disk )
DISP files                       no (default)
exit files                               no (default)
starting file #                  increment each run if you wish to save images

Values for ISO  will be summed and used as ISO total.
ISO Total will be deciding factor in judging but there will be 30
points deducted for a missed meetpoint. Fractional

Special recognition will be given to most original design as determined
by team of four judges selected by Jeff Ford or delegate/s.

Classes:

 Individual,
 all work must be done by one individual. In the
case of a fractional indices or an incomplete design a design
coach will explain how the problem can be fixed and the
entry will be moved to Coached class.

Team/Coached,
more than one individual from a club, guild or area may work together
 as a team. If an individual wishes coaching they may do so but most
work must be done by the entrant with only suggestions by coach. This
means Fred Van Sant or some other designer can not do a design that you
enter as your own. I encourage friends, club/guild members to enter as a
team. Do not hesitate to enter if you need some coaching. We have design
mentors who are happy to help you.

 Modified,
for a public domain design or a copyrighted design that the copyright holder
gives you permission to use. You enter design with modified angles, new tiers
or deleted tiers which gives "optimum" performance as determined by ISO
total. We will post at least two very basic designs you can enhance as you
please.

Design and Cut,
design will be posted and ISO Total noted but beauty of the finished stone
will be the judging criteria. Stones will be judged at the OPLC Hobnob in
Tucson. Individual, Team/Coached and Modified designs will be judged
separately.




I hope this format will encourage design and optimization  oldtimers and
newcomers to get involved and hopefully develop their skills. All
entries will be posted on the site and may drive some traffic and interest.
I think ISO Total is as good as any single value to evaluate design
performance but we will look to improve criteria in the future.


Dan Clayton


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SHOWDATES:

~ CALIFORNIA


FACETERS SYMPOSIUM 2003
  Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
    At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
           Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003


     You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show.  The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th.  That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday.  The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June.  All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.

     The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests.  A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium.  There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels.  Get started on your
competition entry soon.

     The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.

     For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below.  Ask for one of the Packets.  Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.

Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630        email:   glennklein@yahoo.com



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LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST PERSONALS:


KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something like the
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
faceter@bigfoot.com
Larry W. Davis
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ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri) A
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend to meet
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received an
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's FREE! ;o)
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: gembin@spiff.net
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INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in starting
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields. Nice
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
J.Pysnack" <wjpin@home.com>
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S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ tbird@bayouself.org. (Thom
Bird - Chalmette, LA)
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MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at jennings@netdoor.com Thanks, Jim
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TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: hankswan@earthlink.net or
gemscc@msn.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
(evenings).Hank swan
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WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield
winfielr@inra.nimh.nih.gov
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