Issue No.65 - Thursday February 13, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre


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Index to Today's Digest

01  NEW:  Opal Questions
02  RE: Another Star Stone Question
03  RE: Clubs in Tucson ?
04  RE: Clubs in Tucson ?
05  NEW: Spectrascope information needed.
06  WANTED:  Nikon Coolpix 990 or 995


07  NEW: Arizona Department of Mines and Mineral Museum


Subject: About Opal
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:34:20 -0500
To: lapidary%caprock-spur.com
From: mbegin@is.jgh.mcgill.ca

A newbie question ?
 Does protecting and Opal by doublet or any other method that I do not know
decrease the value of the stone ?


Subject: Re: Issue No.63 - Tuesday February 11, 2003
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:13:07 -0500
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com, post@maiko.demon.co.uk
From: "Douglas Turet" <anotherbrightidea@hotmail.com>

Yesterday, Michael Hing asked:
"Does anyone know how coarse needle inclusions can be before they stop
forming a star?  I have a small sapphire with short, stubby, plate-like
rutile needles in it.  They are oriented and quite profuse (like
schiller in a sunstone).  Will they form a star if I cab the stone, or
will this only happen if the rutile is really fine?"

Hi Michael,

     Yes, that's it, exactly! If you'll orient your Sapphire rough such that
the silky "schiller" faces up, then crown your cab as I'd discussed last
week, you'll most likely wind up with a beautiful star! Just as was the case
with the reader I'd advised previously, I'm guessing that you rough came
from either Mysore, India or Morrogoro, Tanzania; those are the only two
locations I'm aware of, in which the Rutiles form both as major inclusions
(flat, tabular xls.) and minor ones (needles), within the corundum
substrate. Where those tabular crystals are present, see what you can do
about grinding and sanding beyond them, as their presence will not only
detract from the star cab's overall appearance but will interrupt the
stone's necessarily "satiny" background, thus making the legs of the star
seem almost negligible, by comparison. Other than that, I'd just advise that
you follow those steps I'd offered before. Especially that last one, when
all's said and done {:o)!

All the best,

Douglas Turet, GJ
Lapidary Artist, Designer & Goldsmith.
Turet Design
P. O. Box 162
Arlington, MA 02476, U.S.A.
Tel. (617) 325-5328
Fax: (928) 222-0815
Email: anotherbrightidea@hotmail.com


Subject: Re: Issue No.64 - Wednesday February 12, 2003
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:55:10 -0700
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Dave Arens <gemstonesetc@gci-net.com>

Hi Jimmy,

Welcome to Tucson!

>>Are there any Faceting Clubs here?

 (I am also looking for Paleontology and Mineral Clubs)<<

The Old Pueblo Lapidary Club has a facetors guild that meets at the club house
every Mon afternoon from about 12:30 to 3:00 or 4:00. There are faceting clases
on Mon & Tues nights starting about 6:00PM. The lapidary & silver shops are open
for member use on Mon nights from about 6:00 - 9:00 & Tue AM from about 8:30 - 12:00.

The club is located at 3118 N. Dale (1 bock S of Ft Lowell & 1 block E
of Alvernon.

Tucson Gem & Mineral Society  is into gems & minerals (mostly). It's the
group that started the Tucson show 49 years ago! Their meetings are the
1st Mon night of the month at their club house on Blackledge (about 2
blocks west of Alvernon & 1 block N of Glenn). Their annual show starts
Thur 2/13 at the Tucson convention center.


Subject: Re: Issue No.64 - Wednesday February 12, 2003
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:35:41 -0800
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: Don Rogers <Don@Campbell-gemstones.com>

At 01:56 PM 2/12/03 -0600, you wrote:
>  I recently moved to wonderful Tucson, Arizona ... YES!
>  Are there any Faceting Clubs here?

There is the Old Peblo Lapidary Club.  I was just there for the Hob Nob on
the 4th.  They have a great club house, and an awsome work shop complete
with faceting machines.  Lots and lots of skill in the group.  It should be
a lot of fun for you.



Subject: Re: Issue No.61 - Friday February 7, 2003
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:22:06 EST
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: ACMEMINER2@aol.com

Hi, everyone!

    I am looking for information on spectroscopes, the diffraction and prism
type...whats the advantages/disadvantages to each type?  Also I am looking
for a book or web site that would have the diffraction charts for some




Subject: Wanted, Nikon Coolpix 990 or 995
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 00:57:07 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Phillip L Stonebrook <plstonebrook@juno.com>

Greetings list...

Still trying to get into digital photography, and have settled upon the
Nikon Coolpix, based upon Fred Ward's and Norm Holbert's recommendations.
Now that the newer generation digitals are out with 4, 5, 6 meg pixels,
if any of you Coolpix 990 or 995 owners are contemplating updating to the
newer models and would like to sell your old unit, I would be interested.
The 3.1 meg pixel is about what I need for gem shots and general picture
taking; also can't really afford the newer, latest models.

Need decent price and fully functional working units only, complete with
manuals and PC software. If interested, contact me directly.

Any tips on used digital camera outlets on the web?

Best regards....
Phil in Florida



Subject: Arizona Department of Mines and Mineral Museum
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 01:33:42 -0700
To: "Lapidary Arts & Faceter's Digest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>

Dear Senator Burns,

I am writing you as my State Senator and a key person in determining the
fate of the Arizona Museum of Mining and Minerals.

It is my understanding that there is consideration being given to
closing the Museum of Mining and Minerals and to selling off the
building and the superb collection of Arizona minerals.  Possibly you do
not realize that the Museum is home to many Maricopa County clubs, such
as the Mineralogical Society of Arizona, the Maricopa Lapidary Society,
the Arizona Leaverites Rock and Gem Society, the Arizona Prospectors,
the Treasure Hunters Club, bead clubs, bottle collecting clubs and, of
course, the Arizona Mineral and Mining Museum Foundation.  By home I
mean that the Museum is where they meet and is the recipient of most of
their fund raising.

The Museum runs mainly on volunteer labor, and, due to Arizona's rich
mining and mineral history and outstanding rock collecting
opportunities, the Museum has many, many volunteers.  All of the folks
affiliated with the Museum are stunned and angry at the prospect of its

Closing the Museum and firing the Curator and the part time staff will
save little money for Arizona and be a permanent set back to the State
by eliminating important volunteer run education programs for Arizona's
children.  The State already funds the Department of Mines and Mineral
Museum at a very low level and has recently made major cuts in its
budget.  The money saved by killing this department will be

It is no exaggeration to say that, should you and the other committee
members vote to sell the Museum and its outstanding mineral collection,
you will have an enormous statewide group of people upset and very
angry.  There are thousands of rockhounds in Arizona.  It is no accident
that the largest collection of gem and mineral shows in the world is in
Tucson each February and that the Quartzsite Pow Wow and other shows
draw huge numbers of folks, many from within Arizona.

The Museum's outstanding collection is, for the most part, the result of
private donations.  The Legislature has never been generous enough to
this Department for it to afford to purchase outstanding collection
specimens.  Those purchases made by the Museum have normally been funded
by donations from the many organizations that consider the Museum their
home.  The collection is the result of generous donations by Arizona's
mineral collectors.  If the State attempts to sell this collection, the
act will be viewed by all who are familiar with the Museum as a legal
but despicable burglary, violating the intent of all who have generously
donated their money or their prized specimens to the Museum.

I sincerely urge you to stop this misguided attempt to save a very small
amount of annually budgeted money and to generate a one time piece of
revenue by selling the old Shriner's hall, which houses the Museum.  I
frankly do not believe the State would be able to sell the mineral
collection after the media finished interviewing the donating clubs'
officers and the surviving family members of the collection's individual

Yours truly,

John McLaughlin
6102 W. Altadena Avenue, Glendale, Arizona, 85304
(623) 979-5246   jemstone@amug.org
Member, Mineralogical Society of Arizona, Arizona Leaverites Rock and
Gem Club,
Arizona Mineral and Mining Museum Foundation



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International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org
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Old Pueblo Lapidary Club  Tucson, AZ. http://www.oplc.2ya.com/   


Facetron: http://www.facetron.com/
Graves: http://www.rockhounds.com/graves/
MDR: http://www.mdr-facet.com/
Polymetric: http://www.polymetricinc.com/
Ultra-tec: http://www.ultratec-facet.com
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
http://www.fac-ette.com/ 800-336-9248.
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com



Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
My Gemologist http://www.mygemologist.com


FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~

*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, wmcnay@mindspring.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: ghgemcutter@earthlink.net
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, rockpeddler@attbi.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, lklomp@cnetech.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, Tyler Miller,  tmiller277@comcast.net
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
Queensland. http://cwpp.slq.qld.gov.au/afg
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, attaway@highfiber.com
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch chuck_b@prodigy.net
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, gemsbyj@aol.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.

(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write to
( owner-lapidary@caprock-spur.com or owner-faceters@caprock-spur.com )



A doctor is talking to a car mechanic, "Your fee is several times more per
hour then we get paid for medical care."

"Yeah, but you see, doc, you have always the same model, it hasn't
changed since Adam; but we have to keep up to date with new models
coming every month."



" A memory may be a paradise from which we can't be driven;
It may be a hell from which we can't escape."

--- Author Unknown ---



The Lubbock Gem and Mineral Society is looking for 2 more vendors
for our Spring Show at the Lubbock Civic Center May 17th and 18th.
Setup day for the show is Friday May 16, 2003.  If you are a vendor and
would like more information concerning the show please call Ed Ries at


Subject: Subject add
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:47:26 -0500
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "RICHARD P ROSENTHAL" <kenaii@earthlink.net>

Date Febuary 6th /03      
Green Siberian Nephrite Jade
Carving ,Sculpture Grade, Some Black Spots, Ten dollars a pound up to
fifty pound pieces.
Jewelry grade, Green with Green chrome spots, Superior Transluscense and
Color, Fifty dollars per pound
Please contact Kenaii@earthlink.net    or check the material out at


Rough to Cut
If you're looking for quality facet rough please check out Rough to Cut,
http://www.roughtocut.com. We offer a wide range of quality facet rough
from Aquamarine to Zircon. Large selections in stock currently of Beryl,
Garnets & Tourmalines. Please check us out & when you do, why not give a
try to our contest, you could win a 5ct + piece of Spessartite garnet
facet rough.

Rough to Cut


Subject: AD
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "P. Miklik" <b-daw@pacbell.net>

Contact b-daw@pacbell.net

Honey, red & brown zircons, 10g parcels @$20/parcel

Red Garnet $8/g, eye clean-slightly included
Spessartine Garnet $7.50/g, slight-moderately included
Malaya Garnet $6/g, good eye clean roughs
Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included

Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
Green/Green Blue Tourmaline $10/g, eye clean roughs

Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly         
included, up to 1g.

Blue Beryl (Aquamarine) $6/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals
Green Beryl (Emerald) $10-$50/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals,
zoned green
Cabbing Grade Aquamarine $3/g


Rock Peddler
Complete online discount catalog for cabbing and faceting machines, wheels,
laps, polishes, diamond saws, diamond blades, and general lapidary supplies
at http://www.rockpeddler.com.


Gewelers Gems
e-mail: sales@jewelersgems.com
Solid copper laps 1/4 thick 8" and 6"  you can charge both sides with
diamond. http://www.jewelersgems.com

NOW ONLINE!  RRGaetan Gem Rough - Featuring excellent, facet-grade,
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Golden Chrome Tourmaline, Aquamarine, Spess, Mint and Malaya Garnets,
and more! For photos and more information, visit us at rrgaetan.com.




For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
World-Class Cutters:

This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host its
first National and International Faceting Competition.  It is called
the North American Faceting  Challenge -- 'NAFC.'   Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of  the
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since 2001,
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.   The
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition.   Please note:  The designs and rules
can be downloaded at  <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003;  the amount of time between the
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2."   If   further
information is needed, please contact me at <clmoon@pacbell.net>.

Charlie Moon





  Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
    At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
           Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003

     You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show.  The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th.  That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday.  The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June.  All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.

     The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests.  A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium.  There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels.  Get started on your
competition entry soon.

     The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.

     For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below.  Ask for one of the Packets.  Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.

Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630        email:   glennklein@yahoo.com


Lubbock Gem and Mineral Society is proud to present it's
45th Annual Gem, Mineral, Fossil,& Jewelry Show.
WHEN: May 17-18, 2003
Where: Lubbock Civic Center, Lubbock, Texas
Time: Sat.5/17: 10am-6pm
          Sun.5/18: 10am-5pm
For more information contact Archie Scott
e-mail: asscott2@door.net
telephone: 806-894-1584       



KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something like the
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis

ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri) A
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend to meet
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received an
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's FREE! ;o)
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: gembin@spiff.net

INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in starting
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields. Nice
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
J.Pysnack" <wjpin@home.com>

S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ tbird@bayouself.org. (Thom
Bird - Chalmette, LA)

MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at jennings@netdoor.com Thanks, Jim

TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: hankswan@earthlink.net or
gemscc@msn.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
(evenings).Hank swan

WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield

Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!


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