LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST
Issue No.63 - Tuesday February 11, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
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Index to Today's Digest
01 RE: Blue Sapphire color?
02 RE: Blue Sapphire color?
03 RE: Question on pricing
04 RE: Star orientation methods
05 NEW: Saw Blades
06 RE: Looking for a Teacher
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:04:45 -0500
From: "Jonathan L. Rolfe" <email@example.com>
At 01:48 PM 2/10/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>I would like to know the element that gives the blue color to
> Now, I know they are corundums (Al2 O3) and
I know that the red
>coloring element for rubies is chromium........but what is the
>that gives sapphires their blue color. I don't think
>cobalt..........that IS used in synthetic sapphires......but
I am more
>inclined to think it is titanium.
Iron. But in order to be blue, oxygen has to diffuse into
lattice. When sapphires are treated, they are not baked in
a reducing kiln.
When Linde` grows star sapphires, the "cornflower blue"
ones are first a
greyish brown until the oxygen diffusion step. If the diffusion
omitted, they are the 'Honey Black" color.
Titanium can color quartz and sapphire a pink color. It is
the col,or of rose quartz, for example, but its biggest contribution
sapphire is the needles formed by its oxide, rutile, that cause
that, when oriented, makes the star rubies and sapphires work.
Otherwise, this silk can sometimes be dissolved by the heat treating
process, and can clarify "sleepy" stones.
Iron is responsible for the beautiful blue in Iolite, too..a ring
Subject: Sapphire Coloration
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:06:48 -0500
From: "Peter L. Herschman, M.D." <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 11:39:51 -0600
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <email@example.com>
From: "Vernon Matthews" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
I would like to know the element that gives the blue color to sapphires.
Now, I know they are corundums (Al2 O3) and I know
that the red
coloring element for rubies is chromium........but what is the element
that gives sapphires their blue color. I don't think
cobalt..........that IS used in synthetic sapphires......but I am
inclined to think it is titanium. I'm just not sure
of anything at
Can anyone out there help??
Thanks, Vern Matthews
Dear Vern and All:
Sapphire is coloured mainly by iron and titanium where they replace
of the Al2 O3 in the crystal lattice. The process is termed molecular
transfer. One electron from an iron atom temporarily jumps to a
titanium atom, absorbing light in the process.
This information is summarized in Webster's Gems: Their Sources,
Descriptions and Indetification, 5th Edition Revised by Peter Reed
I suspect there are theories which have emerged more recently to
this process as well.
Peter L. Herschman, M.D.
Subject: Re: Issue No.62 - Monday February 10, 2003
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:17:41 EST
Doug, You are doing the lions share of the work on this project
I see and I
doubt that you will be able to locate more than a few pieces at
a time of
rough that will cut the same stone so you will be looking at a lot
of rough I
would imagine. Then to cut to size can be a bit of a chore. Sometimes
is a perfect 7 mm untill a crack shows up right on the girdle so
out makes it 6.5mm etc. etc. etc. Doing the whole magilla
is a bit much. I
have cut lots of rough for designers but it is always what I get
out of it is
what they get. I just cut two sets of malay trillions in two seperate
and getting them all four at 8mm was a real pain. Dont short change
of the deal here. Most "same" size stones are cut using
bags and bags of
rough and that way sorting through and finding matching pieces is
easier. Doing it a few stones at a time will be hair pulling at
a few thoughts on the subject. Dennis on the North Coast
Subject: Idaho Star Garnets
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:54:40 -0800
From: "Thomas M. Donahue" <email@example.com>
Rose Alene Mc Arthur:
Thank you for your response. If I understand you right,
polish the flats till I find a star and work from there.
If I find a
star in a large crystal and I cut it in half, can I expect to find
star running through the crystal and be found in both pieces.
mentioned faceting, I have cut the very dark crystals in a French
very much like a faceted cab and quite attractive.
Thanks again for
Tom Donahue firstname.lastname@example.org
Subject: Saw Blades
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 04:10:53 -0500
From: "RICHARD P ROSENTHAL" <email@example.com>
Dear list members, I am having a problem with my two foot saw, it
oil bath with a gravity feed, older type but the blad is fairly
The problemis that lately my slbs have been coming out atpered
,vertically. I cut exclusively nephrite on this saw and originally
slabs came out very uniform. Initially i could cut slabs
as thin as
about a half inch thick and they would come out very uniform. I
ocasionlaly had the saw jam or stop in the middle of a cut, this
have thrown the blade out of round. It still cuts well and should
plenty of diamond left. Mostly I am interested in a slution if anyone
can suggest one. Should i take the blade out and try to sraighten
it is curved. Perhaps others have had this problem and know the
have a solution.I am cutting for people in the trade and selling
then uniform material is nt an option for many of them asit can
them much extra work. I am cutting all my smaller stuff on my ten
hand feed] saw but this is very labor intensive, although it allows
to correct if things start to go off the mark. Much nicer just closing
the machine and coming back in thirty minutes to extract the slab.
have not drained the oil[almag]out to filter out residue from past
could this be the problem. The saw holds about five gallons through
which the blade circulates a it cuts and most of what i cut is less
eleven inches in hieght.I hate to buy another blade as they are
seven hundred a pop so I would appreciate terribly any thoughts
suggestions. Thanks Richard
Subject: Re: Issue No.56 - Friday January 31, 2003 (Looking
for a Teacher)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:47:23 -0500
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
From: "All That Glitters" <email@example.com>
Yes, the Capital Mineral Club out of Concord should have some cutters.
sponsor the Sunapee Mineral Show which I believe is held sometime
September (I believe).
L. Allen Brown
Gemologist - GIA
All That Glitters
RESOURCES FOR LAPIDARIES ~
Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org
then enter www.liccini.com
RESOURCES FOR FACETER'S ~
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com
RESOURCES FOR GEMOLOGISTS ~
Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
My Gemologist http://www.mygemologist.com
FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~
*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, firstname.lastname@example.org.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters
Don Cameron: email@example.com
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, email@example.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, Tyler Miller, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, email@example.com
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch email@example.com
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, email@example.com)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.
(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write
TODAY'S FUNNY ~
"WE WOULD RATHER DO BUSINESS WITH
1000 AL QAEDA TERRORISTS THAN WITH A
This sign was prominently displayed in the window of a business
Philadelphia. You are probably outraged at the thought of such an
inflammatory statement. One would think that anti-hate groups from
across the country would be marching on this business...
And that the National Guard might have to be called to keep the
crowds back. But, perhaps in these stressful times one might be
to let the proprietors simply make their statement . . . We are
society who holds Freedom of Speech as perhaps our greatest liberty
. And after all, it is just a sign. You may ask what kind of business
would dare post such a sign?
A Funeral Home
(Who said morticians had no sense of humor)
REFLECTIONS AND TIDBITS:
" The more you add to the truth, the more you
actually subtract from it!"
--- Author Unknown ---
The Lubbock Gem and Mineral Society is looking for 2 more vendors
for our Spring Show at the Lubbock Civic Center May 17th and 18th.
Setup day for the show is Friday May 16, 2003. If you are
a vendor and
would like more information concerning the show please call Ed Ries
Subject: Subject add
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:47:26 -0500
From: "RICHARD P ROSENTHAL" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date Febuary 6th /03
Green Siberian Nephrite Jade
Carving ,Sculpture Grade, Some Black Spots, Ten dollars a pound
fifty pound pieces.
Jewelry grade, Green with Green chrome spots, Superior Transluscense
Color, Fifty dollars per pound
Please contact Kenaii@earthlink.net
or check the material out at
February 6 - February 11, 2003
LOWE ASSOCIATES - Robert P. Lowe Jr. invites you
to visit us in
Booth # 205 at the GJX - Gem & Jewelry Exchange, Downtown Tucson,
TOURMALINES - in Greens, Pinks, Indicolite, Rubelite, Salmon, Yellow,
Silver, Orange, Purple, Bi-color, Tri-color, - sliced, faceted,
cabochons, Paraiba and Rough. TOURMALINES in Watermelon Slices,
Singles, Matched Pairs, Sets, Cabochon Slices, plus all the other
Brazilian Colored Stones, including - Aquamarine, Citrine, Blue
Rutilated Quartz (Calibrated), Imperial Topaz, Alexandrite, Kunzite,
Brazilian Opals - Crystal & Boulder, rare Purple Topaz Specimens,
Amethyst, Morganite, Faceted Gemstone Beads, Emeralds - faceted,
cabochon, carved & Slices, Emerald Faceting Rough, Emerald Crystals,
Emerald Specimens, Emerald Jewelry - And Faceted Spessartite Garnet.
Rough - Dark Aquamarine, Amethyst, Citrine, Spessartite garnet,
Lowe Associates - Robert P. Lowe Jr.
Rua do Mirante, 573
13801-100 Mogi Mirim, SP, Brasil
e-mail: < email@example.com
> in USA
e-mail: < firstname.lastname@example.org
> in Brazil
Rough to Cut
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Rough to Cut
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
From: "P. Miklik" <email@example.com>
AVAILABLE FOR SALE
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Red Garnet $8/g, eye clean-slightly included
Spessartine Garnet $7.50/g, slight-moderately included
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Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included
Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
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For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host its
first National and International Faceting Competition. It
the North American Faceting Challenge -- 'NAFC.'
Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition. Please note:
The designs and rules
can be downloaded at <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003; the amount of time between
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2."
information is needed, please contact me at <firstname.lastname@example.org>.
FACETERS SYMPOSIUM 2003
Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention
California June 6-7-8, 2003
You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.
The Faceters Symposium will feature ten
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.
The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.
For information & costs regarding the
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.
Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630
Lubbock Gem and Mineral Society is proud to present it's
45th Annual Gem, Mineral, Fossil,& Jewelry Show.
WHEN: May 17-18, 2003
Where: Lubbock Civic Center, Lubbock, Texas
Time: Sat.5/17: 10am-6pm
For more information contact Archie Scott
LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST PERSONALS:
KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis
ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri)
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: email@example.com
INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields.
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ firstname.lastname@example.org.
Bird - Chalmette, LA)
MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting
cabbing please e-mail me at email@example.com
TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: firstname.lastname@example.org
email@example.com or telephone
361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield
Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!
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