LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST
Issue No.61 - Friday February 7, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
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From the Moderator:
Does anyone have any tips on final polishing
of stabilized turquoise? I am guessing cerium on
pellon or leather? Colloidal silica?
Index to Today's Digest
01 RE: Star orientation methods
02 RE: Star orientation methods
03 RE: Star orientation methods
04 RE: private answers to questions
05 New - pro and cons of individual faceting machines
2 new Advertisements Today
Subject: star orientation
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 19:04:52 -0800
From: "Thomas M. Donahue" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
The explanation for orientating a star sapphire was very good
easily understood. I recently purchased some Idaho
( star ) garnet
rough. These crystals are basically round
with flats similar to
facets. How would one go about finding the
star axis. The rock
shop I bought them from led me to believe they would all cut at
four rayed star and he had heard that quite a number of them had
ray stars. When I asked him about orientation,
he said he personally
had no idea. I thought it was worth a chance,
they weren't too
expensive and if push comes to shove I can always facet them.
the old crow
Subject: Re: Issue No.60 - Thursday February 6, 2003;STAR SAPPHIRES(small
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:10:56 EST
For the small talk (but true) side of star sapphires.One day
when I came to
work (back in the 70's) there was a big white sheet spread out in
of the floor of the main cutting room.On that sheet were several
(each about the size of 2 lb. of grapes from your suppermarket)one
bags was opened to reveal a pile of rubby looking pebbles.
These burlap bags had been contained in a ruddy looking suitcase
been sitting under the drillpress since I had been working there.Now
suitcase lay askew, and the boss on his knees ,was hands deep in
the pile of
pebbles.They were STAR RUBYS,--years later I remember saying
to myself 'you
mean you've been coming to work here all that time and sitting under
drillpress was a suitcase , a SUITCASE FULL of STAR RUBYS WHAT THE
GOING ON HERE?'
Of course the key word here is finished,they were unfinished star
rubys.They looked unsightly there,in their muddy matrix;of
course I was
young and in love with the kalideoscopic enchantment of opal at
The challenge of repair work kept me from paying that much attention
bosses affairs--but later on in the week I noticed our staff gemologist
in the corner with a bent up coat hanger and a can of S.T.P. , and
gooseneck lamp with a bunch of the rubys.After a while he called
showed me that by setting that grape sized ruby just so, and with
hanger dropping a bead of S.T.P.
on top of (what I now know is the "C AXIS") of the stone
a six legged star
appeared on top of the bead of S.T.P.
He then told me this would help him orient the stone to cut the
and get the most effective length of the legs of the star.
I have never had a chance to have my own suitcase full of star rubys,but
incident in mind,what I'll NEVER forget is pollishing those suckers
thats another story .file under" flying hot rubies".
CHARLES W. BELL JR.
Subject: Re: Star sapphires
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 01:55:05 -0800
From: Phillip L Stonebrook <email@example.com>
Greetings list and Walter...
The very easiest way to cut a "star" stone, or to check
to see if you
even have rough that will "star", is to simply grind it
into a sphere,
like a marble. No need to go beyond 600 grit, or even to get the
perfect; just close. Then, apply mineral oil, honey, glycerine,
oil; they all work; and with an unfrosted incandescent lamp (single
source light, important) above your head, look down on the illuminated
and oil covered stone, and rotate it until you see the star (if
material, any star material, you'll see it). Center it, and mark
circumference with a marking pencil, cut it along that line (in
get 2 stones, as the other half should also star. Once you do this
times, you'll get the idea. You'll also be able to better appreciate
good and more technically correct, but possibly confusing to a newbie,
input you've received from others here. You will also need to learn
they've said to repeatably cut a star stone from inspection, crystal
shape, etc. and various nuances. But, for the first few times, try
for a quick and easy method, or to just "screen" the material
to see if
it will star.
Hope this helps to simplify the learning process.
Phil in Florida
<<This is my first time to post a question, so it is a new
have approximately a pound of star sapphire rough that looks like
rocks but they all have the ability to star. They also change appearance
drasticly when polished. I bought this rough to practice with but
I seem to be missing the mark. Is there an easy method of
correct position to grind the stone?
Subject: Re: private answers to questions
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 02:13:08 -0500
From: "Douglas Turet" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
In yesterday's faceter's list, you wrote:
Some of us are not sure how to ask a question about a specific subject
and when one see a question of her or his problem is excited that
answer will be in the next digest. Then the next day there is a
you note from the person who asked the question.
Don't you think it is the best to answer the questions through the
digest so that everybody can make a use of it?"
...and I'm just writing to say that, in
most cases, I agree with you,
completely. After all, this _is_ a forum for learning and sharing,
So, if a question has merit, why not share it with others and spread
knowledge around? The only two kinds of situations in which I would
intentionally _not_ reply online would be if either, (1) the questioner's
letter contained a specific request that I respond to him or her
or, (2) the letter contained comments or other material that I thought
be either offensive to others or embarassing to the original writer,
appeared in public. Otherwise, yes, I agree.
Now, I have a question for you, Oya. A
few years ago, it seemed that
everywhere I turned, dealers were offering "Turkish color-change
since last year, though, I haven't seen a single ad for the material.
still being mined? (And, if so, do you have any that you'd be willing
part with, either for money or exchange of some other roughs?) I'm
curious about this material, since the only time I'd ordered a piece,
on ebay, and what eventually arrived was neither flawless nor even
capable of any sort of color change. Thanks, in advance, Oya!
All my best,
Douglas Turet, GJ
Lapidary Artist, Designer & Goldsmith.
P. O. Box 162
Arlington, MA 02476, U.S.A.
Tel. (617) 325-5328
Fax: (928) 222-0815
Subject: New - pro and cons of individual faceting machines
From: "Cheryl Weaver" <email@example.com>
To: "Lapidary Arts and Faceters Digest" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 21:03:28 +1100
Before purchasing a faceting machine I need as much advice as I
on the good and not so good points of individual faceting machines
the people who are using them every day.
Would members like to offer their personal opinions to try and help
reduce the list of possible choices.
Cheryl from down under in Australia
RESOURCES FOR LAPIDARIES ~
Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org
then enter www.liccini.com
RESOURCES FOR FACETER'S ~
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com
RESOURCES FOR GEMOLOGISTS ~
Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
My Gemologist http://www.mygemologist.com
FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~
*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, email@example.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters
Don Cameron: firstname.lastname@example.org
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, email@example.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, Tyler Miller, email@example.com
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, firstname.lastname@example.org
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, email@example.com
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch firstname.lastname@example.org
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, email@example.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, firstname.lastname@example.org)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.
(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write
TODAY'S FUNNY ~
Catching many fish
A fisherman returned to shore with a giant marlin that was bigger
heavier than he. On the way to the cleaning shed, he ran into a
fisherman who had a stringer with a dozen baby minnows. The second
fisherman looked at the marlin, turned to the first fisherman and
" Only caught one, eh?"
REFLECTIONS AND TIDBITS:
Comfort on difficult days
Smiles when sadness intrudes
Rainbows to follow the clouds
Laughter to kiss your lips
Sunsets to warm your heart
Gentle hugs when your spirits sag
Friendships to brighten your being
Beauty for your eyes to see
Confidence for when you're in doubt
Faith so that you can believe
Courage to know yourself
Patience to accept the truth
And love to complete your life.
-- Author Unknown ---
The Lubbock Gem and Mineral Society is looking for 2 more vendors
for our Spring Show at the Lubbock Civic Center May 17th and 18th.
Setup day for the show is Friday May 16, 2003. If you are
a vendor and
would like more information concerning the show please call Ed Ries
Subject: Subject add
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:47:26 -0500
From: "RICHARD P ROSENTHAL" <email@example.com>
Date Febuary 6th /03
Green Siberian Nephrite Jade
Carving ,Sculpture Grade, Some Black Spots, Ten dollars a pound
fifty pound pieces.
Jewelry grade, Green with Green chrome spots, Superior Transluscense
Color, Fifty dollars per pound
Please contact Kenaii@earthlink.net
or check the material out at
February 6 - February 11, 2003
LOWE ASSOCIATES - Robert P. Lowe Jr. invites you
to visit us in
Booth # 205 at the GJX - Gem & Jewelry Exchange, Downtown Tucson,
TOURMALINES - in Greens, Pinks, Indicolite, Rubelite, Salmon, Yellow,
Silver, Orange, Purple, Bi-color, Tri-color, - sliced, faceted,
cabochons, Paraiba and Rough. TOURMALINES in Watermelon Slices,
Singles, Matched Pairs, Sets, Cabochon Slices, plus all the other
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Brazilian Opals - Crystal & Boulder, rare Purple Topaz Specimens,
Amethyst, Morganite, Faceted Gemstone Beads, Emeralds - faceted,
cabochon, carved & Slices, Emerald Faceting Rough, Emerald Crystals,
Emerald Specimens, Emerald Jewelry - And Faceted Spessartite Garnet.
Rough - Dark Aquamarine, Amethyst, Citrine, Spessartite garnet,
Lowe Associates - Robert P. Lowe Jr.
Rua do Mirante, 573
13801-100 Mogi Mirim, SP, Brasil
e-mail: < firstname.lastname@example.org
> in USA
e-mail: < email@example.com
> in Brazil
Rough to Cut
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Rough to Cut
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
From: "P. Miklik" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
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Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly
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For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host its
first National and International Faceting Competition. It
the North American Faceting Challenge -- 'NAFC.'
Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition. Please note:
The designs and rules
can be downloaded at <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003; the amount of time between
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2."
information is needed, please contact me at <email@example.com>.
FACETERS SYMPOSIUM 2003
Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention
California June 6-7-8, 2003
You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.
The Faceters Symposium will feature ten
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.
The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.
For information & costs regarding the
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.
Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630
Lubbock Gem and Mineral Society is proud to present it's
45th Annual Gem, Mineral, Fossil,& Jewelry Show.
WHEN: May 17-18, 2003
Where: Lubbock Civic Center, Lubbock, Texas
Time: Sat.5/17: 10am-6pm
For more information contact Archie Scott
LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST PERSONALS:
KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis
ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri)
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: firstname.lastname@example.org
INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields.
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ email@example.com.
Bird - Chalmette, LA)
MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting
cabbing please e-mail me at firstname.lastname@example.org
TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: email@example.com
firstname.lastname@example.org or telephone
361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield
Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!
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