Issue No.61 - Friday February 7, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works started
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Does anyone have any tips on final polishing
of stabilized turquoise? I am guessing cerium on
pellon or leather? Colloidal silica?

Index to Today's Digest

01  RE: Star orientation methods
02  RE: Star orientation methods
03  RE: Star orientation methods
04  RE: private answers to questions
05  New - pro and cons of individual faceting machines

2 new Advertisements Today


Subject: star orientation
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 19:04:52 -0800
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Thomas M. Donahue" <oldcrow@oregonfcu.com>


The explanation for orientating  a star sapphire was very good and
easily understood.    I recently purchased some Idaho ( star ) garnet
rough.     These crystals are basically round with flats similar to
facets.     How would one go about finding the star axis.      The rock
shop I bought them from led me to believe they would all cut at least a
four rayed star and he had heard that quite a number of them had cut six
ray stars.     When I asked him about orientation, he said he personally
had no idea.    I thought it was worth a chance, they weren't too
expensive and if push comes to shove I can always facet them.

Tom Donahue
the old crow


Subject: Re: Issue No.60 - Thursday February 6, 2003;STAR SAPPHIRES(small talk)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:10:56 EST
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Bellcha7@aol.com

For the small talk (but true) side of star sapphires.One  day when I came to
work (back in the 70's) there was a big white sheet spread out in the middle
of the floor of the main cutting room.On that sheet were several burlap bags,
(each about the size of 2 lb. of grapes from your suppermarket)one of these
bags was opened to reveal a pile of rubby looking pebbles.

These burlap bags had been contained in a ruddy looking suitcase that had
been sitting under the drillpress since I had been working there.Now the
suitcase lay askew, and the boss on his knees ,was hands deep in the pile of
pebbles.They were STAR RUBYS,--years later I remember  saying to myself 'you
mean you've been coming to work here all that time and sitting under the
drillpress was a suitcase , a SUITCASE FULL of STAR RUBYS WHAT THE ---- IS

Of course the key word here is finished,they were unfinished star
rubys.They looked unsightly  there,in their muddy matrix;of course I was
young and in love with the kalideoscopic enchantment of opal at the time.

The challenge of repair work kept me from paying that much attention to the
bosses affairs--but later on in the week I noticed our staff gemologist over
in the corner with a bent up coat hanger and a can of S.T.P. , and a
gooseneck lamp with a bunch of the rubys.After a while he called me over,and
showed me that by setting that grape sized ruby just so, and with the coat
hanger dropping a bead  of S.T.P.
on top of (what I now know is the "C AXIS") of the stone a six legged star
appeared on top of the bead of S.T.P.
He then told me this would help him orient the stone to cut the proper crown,
and get the most effective length of the legs of the star.

I have never had a chance to have my own suitcase full of star rubys,but I'll
keep that
incident in mind,what I'll NEVER forget is pollishing those suckers ...But
thats another story .file under" flying hot rubies".


Subject: Re: Star sapphires
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 01:55:05 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Phillip L Stonebrook <plstonebrook@juno.com>

Greetings list and Walter...

The very easiest way to cut a "star" stone, or to check to see if you
even have rough that will "star", is to simply grind it into a sphere,
like a marble. No need to go beyond 600 grit, or even to get the sphere
perfect; just close. Then, apply mineral oil, honey, glycerine, cooking
oil; they all work; and with an unfrosted incandescent lamp (single point
source light, important) above your head, look down on the illuminated
and oil covered stone, and rotate it until you see the star (if it's star
material, any star material, you'll see it). Center it, and mark the
circumference with a marking pencil, cut it along that line (in half) to
get 2 stones, as the other half should also star. Once you do this a few
times, you'll get the idea. You'll also be able to better appreciate the
good and more technically correct, but possibly confusing to a newbie,
input you've received from others here. You will also need to learn all
they've said to repeatably cut a star stone from inspection, crystal
shape, etc. and various nuances. But, for the first few times, try this
for a quick and easy method, or to just "screen" the material to see if
it will star.

Hope this helps to simplify the learning process.

Best regards.....
Phil in Florida

<<This is my first time to post a question, so it is a new experience. I
have approximately a pound of star sapphire rough that looks like so many
rocks but they all have the ability to star. They also change appearance
drasticly when polished. I bought this rough to practice with but so far
I seem to be  missing the mark. Is there an easy method of locating the
correct position to grind the stone?


Subject: Re: private answers to questions
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 02:13:08 -0500
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "Douglas Turet" <anotherbrightidea@hotmail.com>
Cc: fob@birdamlasu.com

Hello Oya,

In yesterday's faceter's list, you wrote:

"Hello all..
Some of us are not sure how to ask a question about a specific subject
and when one see a question of her or his problem is excited that the
answer will be in the next digest. Then the next day there is a thank
you note from the person who asked the question.
Don't you think it is the best to answer the questions through the
digest so that everybody can make a use of it?"

     ...and I'm just writing to say that, in most cases, I agree with you,
completely. After all, this _is_ a forum for learning and sharing, right?
So, if a question has merit, why not share it with others and spread the
knowledge around? The only two kinds of situations in which I would
intentionally _not_ reply online would be if either, (1) the questioner's
letter contained a specific request that I respond to him or her off-line,
or, (2) the letter contained comments or other material that I thought would
be either offensive to others or embarassing to the original writer, if it
appeared in public. Otherwise, yes, I agree.
     Now, I have a question for you, Oya. A few years ago, it seemed that
everywhere I turned, dealers were offering "Turkish color-change Diaspore";
since last year, though, I haven't seen a single ad for the material. Is it
still being mined? (And, if so, do you have any that you'd be willing to
part with, either for money or exchange of some other roughs?) I'm extremely
curious about this material, since the only time I'd ordered a piece, it was
on ebay, and what eventually arrived was neither flawless nor even remotely
capable of any sort of color change. Thanks, in advance, Oya!

All my best,

Douglas Turet, GJ
Lapidary Artist, Designer & Goldsmith.
Turet Design
P. O. Box 162
Arlington, MA 02476, U.S.A.
Tel. (617) 325-5328
Fax: (928) 222-0815
Email: anotherbrightidea@hotmail.com


Subject: New - pro and cons of individual faceting machines
From: "Cheryl Weaver" <cheryl@winsoft.net.au>
To: "Lapidary Arts and Faceters Digest" <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 21:03:28 +1100

Hi everyone,
Before purchasing a faceting machine I need as much advice as I can get
on the good and not so good points of individual faceting machines from
the people who are using them every day.
Would members like to offer their personal opinions to try and help me
reduce the list of possible choices.

Cheryl from down under in Australia



Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org
http://webdev.archive.org/ then enter www.liccini.com


Facetron: http://www.facetron.com/
Graves: http://www.rockhounds.com/graves/
MDR: http://www.mdr-facet.com/
Polymetric: http://www.polymetricinc.com/
Ultra-tec: http://www.ultratec-facet.com
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
http://www.fac-ette.com/ 800-336-9248.
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com



Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
My Gemologist http://www.mygemologist.com


FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~

*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, wmcnay@mindspring.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: ghgemcutter@earthlink.net
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, rockpeddler@attbi.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, lklomp@cnetech.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, Tyler Miller,  tmiller277@comcast.net
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
Queensland. http://cwpp.slq.qld.gov.au/afg
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, attaway@highfiber.com
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch chuck_b@prodigy.net
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, gemsbyj@aol.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.

(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write to
( owner-lapidary@caprock-spur.com or owner-faceters@caprock-spur.com )



Catching many fish
A fisherman returned to shore with a giant marlin that was bigger and
heavier than he. On the way to the cleaning shed, he ran into a second
fisherman who had a stringer with a dozen baby minnows. The second
fisherman looked at the marlin, turned to the first fisherman and said,
" Only caught one, eh?"



Comfort on difficult days
Smiles when sadness intrudes
Rainbows to follow the clouds
Laughter to kiss your lips
Sunsets to warm your heart
Gentle hugs when your spirits sag
Friendships to brighten your being
Beauty for your eyes to see
Confidence for when you're in doubt
Faith so that you can believe
Courage to know yourself
Patience to accept the truth
And love to complete your life.
-- Author Unknown ---



The Lubbock Gem and Mineral Society is looking for 2 more vendors
for our Spring Show at the Lubbock Civic Center May 17th and 18th.
Setup day for the show is Friday May 16, 2003.  If you are a vendor and
would like more information concerning the show please call Ed Ries at


Subject: Subject add
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:47:26 -0500
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "RICHARD P ROSENTHAL" <kenaii@earthlink.net>

Date Febuary 6th /03      
Green Siberian Nephrite Jade
Carving ,Sculpture Grade, Some Black Spots, Ten dollars a pound up to
fifty pound pieces.
Jewelry grade, Green with Green chrome spots, Superior Transluscense and
Color, Fifty dollars per pound
Please contact Kenaii@earthlink.net    or check the material out at


TUCSON           February 6 - February 11, 2003             TUCSON
LOWE  ASSOCIATES  -  Robert P. Lowe Jr. invites you to visit us in
Booth # 205 at the GJX - Gem & Jewelry Exchange, Downtown Tucson, for
TOURMALINES - in Greens, Pinks, Indicolite, Rubelite, Salmon, Yellow,
Silver, Orange, Purple, Bi-color, Tri-color, - sliced, faceted,
cabochons, Paraiba and Rough. TOURMALINES in Watermelon Slices,
Singles, Matched Pairs, Sets, Cabochon Slices, plus all the other
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Rutilated Quartz (Calibrated), Imperial Topaz, Alexandrite, Kunzite,
Brazilian Opals - Crystal & Boulder, rare Purple Topaz Specimens,
Amethyst, Morganite, Faceted Gemstone Beads, Emeralds - faceted,
cabochon, carved & Slices, Emerald Faceting Rough, Emerald Crystals,
Emerald Specimens, Emerald Jewelry - And Faceted Spessartite Garnet.
Rough - Dark Aquamarine, Amethyst, Citrine, Spessartite garnet,
Lowe  Associates  -  Robert P. Lowe Jr.
Rua do Mirante, 573
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Telephone: 55-19-3862-4217
Telefax:   55-19-3806-4354
e-mail: < robertplowejr@juno.com > in USA
e-mail: < robertplowejr@uol.com.br > in Brazil


Rough to Cut
If you're looking for quality facet rough please check out Rough to Cut,
http://www.roughtocut.com. We offer a wide range of quality facet rough
from Aquamarine to Zircon. Large selections in stock currently of Beryl,
Garnets & Tourmalines. Please check us out & when you do, why not give a
try to our contest, you could win a 5ct + piece of Spessartite garnet
facet rough.

Rough to Cut


Subject: AD
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "P. Miklik" <b-daw@pacbell.net>

Contact b-daw@pacbell.net

Honey, red & brown zircons, 10g parcels @$20/parcel

Red Garnet $8/g, eye clean-slightly included
Spessartine Garnet $7.50/g, slight-moderately included
Malaya Garnet $6/g, good eye clean roughs
Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included

Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
Green/Green Blue Tourmaline $10/g, eye clean roughs

Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly         
included, up to 1g.

Blue Beryl (Aquamarine) $6/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals
Green Beryl (Emerald) $10-$50/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals,
zoned green
Cabbing Grade Aquamarine $3/g


Rock Peddler
Complete online discount catalog for cabbing and faceting machines, wheels,
laps, polishes, diamond saws, diamond blades, and general lapidary supplies
at http://www.rockpeddler.com.


Gewelers Gems
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Solid copper laps 1/4 thick 8" and 6"  you can charge both sides with
diamond. http://www.jewelersgems.com

NOW ONLINE!  RRGaetan Gem Rough - Featuring excellent, facet-grade,
Colombian Emerald rough! PLUS, Chrome Tourmaline, Achroite Tourmaline,
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and more! For photos and more information, visit us at rrgaetan.com.




For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
World-Class Cutters:

This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host its
first National and International Faceting Competition.  It is called
the North American Faceting  Challenge -- 'NAFC.'   Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of  the
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since 2001,
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.   The
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition.   Please note:  The designs and rules
can be downloaded at  <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003;  the amount of time between the
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2."   If   further
information is needed, please contact me at <clmoon@pacbell.net>.

Charlie Moon





  Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
    At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
           Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003

     You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show.  The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th.  That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday.  The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June.  All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.

     The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests.  A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium.  There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels.  Get started on your
competition entry soon.

     The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.

     For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below.  Ask for one of the Packets.  Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.

Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630        email:   glennklein@yahoo.com


Lubbock Gem and Mineral Society is proud to present it's
45th Annual Gem, Mineral, Fossil,& Jewelry Show.
WHEN: May 17-18, 2003
Where: Lubbock Civic Center, Lubbock, Texas
Time: Sat.5/17: 10am-6pm
          Sun.5/18: 10am-5pm
For more information contact Archie Scott
e-mail: asscott2@door.net
telephone: 806-894-1584       



KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something like the
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis

ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri) A
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend to meet
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received an
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's FREE! ;o)
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: gembin@spiff.net

INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in starting
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields. Nice
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
J.Pysnack" <wjpin@home.com>

S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ tbird@bayouself.org. (Thom
Bird - Chalmette, LA)

MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at jennings@netdoor.com Thanks, Jim

TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: hankswan@earthlink.net or
gemscc@msn.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
(evenings).Hank swan

WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield

Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!


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