LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST
Issue No.57 - Monday February 3, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
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Index to Today's Digest
01 New: advice wanted on grading & selling natural
02 BIO: Rose Alene McArthur
03 garnet abrasive
05 Re: Solid Copper Lap Report
06 Re: Vibrasonic / 50 lb Viking, Advise needed
Subject: New: advice wanted on grading & selling natural
From: "Cheryl Weaver" <email@example.com>
To: "Lapidary Arts and Faceters Digest" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 13:55:20 +1100
I have been lurking in the background for some time watching and
absorbing information posted which has been extremely enlightening
someone as new to this hobby as I am ( 18mths). I almost bailed
you took over as I was shelled shocked by the posting by the previous
moderator but I can now honestly say I am pleased I stayed and watched.
I do need some help and guidance and hope that you and other members
will be of assistance.
I have been fossicking in the Harts Ranges in Australia and will
returning there soon and would like to start selling the result
labours I.e. good quality natural zircon rough for a fair price
to finance my fossicking trips and the purchase of a faceting machine.
My questions are:-
1. What is the best way to grade and sell the rough to inorder to
the widest appeal to faceters?
2. With photos of the rough what would faceters like to be able
in the photos and what is the best way of taking the shots to ensure
Cheryl from down under in Australia
Hi Cheryl, Glad you stuck it out with the list and that you
enjoy the content.
Although I don't have the answers to your questions I am sure some
list members will.
Subject: BIO: Rose Alene McArthur
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:18:32 -0800
From: "Orville & Rose Alene" <email@example.com>
Hello, it is good to find you here.
My husband and I are retirees living in Central Idaho and members
Hell's Canyon Gem Club. We have a lively interest in all the
arts, although we haven't tried them all yet. Even when you
the equipment, time can be at a premium. I started out rockhounding
a girl and got in three years of college as a geology major before
raising six children pushed the rocks into the background for about
thirty-five years. Then we were in the San Francisco club for a
before moving back to Idaho. You could say, I have more head
than hands on experience, since we keep a file of articles on lapidary
related subjects from several different magazines going back into
1960s, and sometimes the 1950s. We are looking forward to reading
Take Care, Rose Alene McArthur
Hi Rose, Welcome. Do you have any kin in Texas?
was a McArthur.
Subject: garnet abrasive
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:23:29 -0800
From: "Orville & Rose Alene" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
At an auction, we ended up with four and a half sacks of garnet
abrasive. This is a locally produced commercial product from
Idaho, the same general area that Idaho Star Garnets come from.
is not a grain size printed on the bag. I guess I would describe
being about like coarse grained quartz sand. Someone said
that it is
used as a grit in tumblers. Does anyone know the correct way
to use it?
Would it be put in as your only abrasive and put through several
of tumbling and then go on to a pre polish, or what or what??
Thank You, Rose Alene McArthur
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:54:19 -0800
From: Bud Schroeder <email@example.com>
Hi Thurmond This time I am not going to
start something controversial.
We all have in our rough collections some flat crystals. The most
sapphires. I started by using a diagram of the crown of a
oval. Then I
tranfered and cut the same crown on the other side.After cutting
second one . I mounted them in ear ring findings and made a pair
dangles for my wife. I really started something. All the women want
........... Bud Schroeder
In the center of So, Cal.
Hi Bud, Arn't they called "Tablets"?
Subject: Re: Solid Copper Lap Report
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 02:02:46 -0800
From: Phillip L Stonebrook <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Greetings list and Mike Lavergne...
I've just received your solid copper 8" lap, and after charging
prepolished one pavilion on it. What a pleasure to use your 1/4"
flat and true, which is really going to cut down on the wear and
my polishing lap .. and at a good price too.
As I mentioned earlier, 2 of my Lapcraft "copper toppers"
delaminated (reasons unknown, 1 of which was a replacement for the
problem and only a few months old) which caused me fits to get good
meets, as well as some very unusual polishing gyrations. Well, I
I'll now salvage the "master lap" portion from these after
a trip thru
In this commercial world, where mediocrity seems to be the norm
than the exception, it's a pleasant surprise to find a quality well
machined product. I'll be ordering more shortly (I really don't
charge the other side in a different grit).
Fellow (and fellow-ette) faceters - Just wanted to take the time
spread the word on a good product; all the usual disclaimers. They
rather than the link shown in the advertising section of the LAFDigest,
which doesn't seem to work
Phil in Florida
Hi Phil and Mike. I have been using the solid copper laps
that Mike offers
since he first had them last year. I love them. I am heavy handed
and as a
result have destroyed several nickel bonded laps. Copper does not
issue. Between copper, Redwing Batts and Batts I hardly use anything
than an occasional blue spectra or ceramic.
Subject: Re: Vibrasonic / 50 lb Viking, Advise needed
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 13:14:16 EST
I have recently been trying to learn the tricks of the Vibratory
trade, with very little success.
I have a 50 pound hopper Viking machine..It is an open bowl, no
hopper. Diamond Pacific sells these machines now, as they recently
the company.. They have little knowledge of the 50 pound machine
operations, so I am asking for some overall advise and especially
anyone who has actually used the 50 pound hopper to tumble with..
I am tumbling agates, both rough and flat slabs and I have the basics
fairly well..... so the machine is doing its job... But on a scale
of 1 to 10
of what I feel the machine should be performing at, as compared
to the action
I have seen on other vibratory machines, including the mini sonics
smaller vibrasonics, I feel the 50 pound hopper is doing only a
5 level of
performance....Just slow rotational movement and very little action
Any advise as to grit carriers, media types, where to set the offset
Currently am using angle cut ceramic media cylinders, "old
miser" carrier and
have the weights set on 2.3 ..
Thanks for any bits of advise.
I do not have the model you do but I do use a 45 lb Raytec Adjustavibe.
I do not use any "media" only rock of sizes from 1/8"
to 3". Also I have been
told that slabs ahould not be tumbled with non-slabs. I run mine
at maximum vibration
levels. Also the load should be rinsed with water then only about
a cup of water added.
Too much water will kill the action of the vibration. I rinse the
load and replace the grit
every 12 hours with this one. It takes no more than 7 days from
rough to polished product.
Any time I have a great deal of difficulty getting a final "mirror"
polish with the "big one",
I break the load down to 4lbs in size and use my Lot-O-Tumbler for
polish. I do this a
lot with Apache Tears but it is usually not necessary with materials
as hard as agate.
RESOURCES FOR LAPIDARIES ~
Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org
then enter www.liccini.com
RESOURCES FOR FACETER'S ~
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com
RESOURCES FOR GEMOLOGISTS ~
Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
My Gemologist http://www.mygemologist.com
FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~
*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, email@example.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters
Don Cameron: firstname.lastname@example.org
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, email@example.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, Tyler Miller, email@example.com
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, firstname.lastname@example.org
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, email@example.com
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch firstname.lastname@example.org
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, email@example.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, firstname.lastname@example.org)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.
(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write
TODAY'S FUNNY ~
I have a Microsoft waiter
Waiter: Hi, my name is Bill, and I'll be your Support Waiter. What
seems to be the problem?
Patron: There's a fly in my soup!
Waiter: Try again, maybe the fly won't be there this time.
Patron: No, it's still there.
Waiter: Maybe it's the way you're using the soup; try eating it
with a fork instead.
Patron: Even when I use the fork, the fly is still there.
Waiter: Maybe the soup is incompatible with the bowl; what kind
of bowl are you using?
Patron: A SOUP bowl!
Waiter: Hmmm, that should work. Maybe it's a configuration problem;
how was the bowl set up?
Patron: You brought it to me on a saucer; what has that to do with
the fly in my soup?!
Waiter: Can you remember everything you did before you noticed the
fly in your soup?
Patron: I sat down and ordered the Soup of the Day!
Waiter: Have you considered upgrading to the latest Soup of the
Patron: You have more than one Soup of the Day each day?
Waiter: Yes, the Soup of the Day is changed every hour.
Patron: Well, what is the Soup of the Day now?
Waiter: The current Soup of the Day is tomato.
Patron: Fine. Bring me the tomato soup, and the check. I'm running
[Waiter leaves and returns with another bowl of soup and the check]
Waiter: Here you are, Sir. The soup and your check.
Patron: This is potato soup.
Waiter: Yes, the tomato soup wasn't ready yet.
Patron: Well, I'm so hungry now, I'll eat anything.
[The waiter leaves.]
Patron: Waiter! There's a gnat in my soup!
Soup of the Day . . . . . . . . . . $5.00
Upgrade to newer Soup of the Day. . $2.50
Access to support . . . . . . . . . $1.00
REFLECTIONS AND TIDBITS:
Found this great quote. I haven't confirmed it but the source is
"Fossils in the ground, wrapped in red tape, are worthless,
exposed in an outcrop will quickly be weathered and destroyed if
Stephen J. Gould
February 6 - February 11, 2003
LOWE ASSOCIATES - Robert P. Lowe Jr. invites you
to visit us in
Booth # 205 at the GJX - Gem & Jewelry Exchange, Downtown Tucson,
TOURMALINES - in Greens, Pinks, Indicolite, Rubelite, Salmon, Yellow,
Silver, Orange, Purple, Bi-color, Tri-color, - sliced, faceted,
cabochons, Paraiba and Rough. TOURMALINES in Watermelon Slices,
Singles, Matched Pairs, Sets, Cabochon Slices, plus all the other
Brazilian Colored Stones, including - Aquamarine, Citrine, Blue
Rutilated Quartz (Calibrated), Imperial Topaz, Alexandrite, Kunzite,
Brazilian Opals - Crystal & Boulder, rare Purple Topaz Specimens,
Amethyst, Morganite, Faceted Gemstone Beads, Emeralds - faceted,
cabochon, carved & Slices, Emerald Faceting Rough, Emerald Crystals,
Emerald Specimens, Emerald Jewelry - And Faceted Spessartite Garnet.
Rough - Dark Aquamarine, Amethyst, Citrine, Spessartite garnet,
Lowe Associates - Robert P. Lowe Jr.
Rua do Mirante, 573
13801-100 Mogi Mirim, SP, Brasil
e-mail: < email@example.com
> in USA
e-mail: < firstname.lastname@example.org
> in Brazil
Rough to Cut
If you're looking for quality facet rough please check out Rough
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Rough to Cut
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
From: "P. Miklik" <email@example.com>
AVAILABLE FOR SALE
Honey, red & brown zircons, 10g parcels @$20/parcel
Red Garnet $8/g, eye clean-slightly included
Spessartine Garnet $7.50/g, slight-moderately included
Malaya Garnet $6/g, good eye clean roughs
Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included
Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
Green/Green Blue Tourmaline $10/g, eye clean roughs
Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly
included, up to 1g.
Blue Beryl (Aquamarine) $6/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals
Green Beryl (Emerald) $10-$50/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals,
Cabbing Grade Aquamarine $3/g
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Solid copper laps 1/4 thick 8" and 6" you can charge
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For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host its
first National and International Faceting Competition. It
the North American Faceting Challenge -- 'NAFC.'
Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition. Please note:
The designs and rules
can be downloaded at <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003; the amount of time between
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2."
information is needed, please contact me at <firstname.lastname@example.org>.
FACETERS SYMPOSIUM 2003
Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention
California June 6-7-8, 2003
You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.
The Faceters Symposium will feature ten
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.
The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.
For information & costs regarding the
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.
Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630
Lubbock Gem and Mineral Society is proud to present it's
45th Annual Gem, Mineral, Fossil,& Jewelry Show.
WHEN: May 17-18, 2003
Where: Lubbock Civic Center, Lubbock, Texas
Time: Sat.5/17: 10am-6pm
For more information contact Archie Scott
LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST PERSONALS:
KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis
ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri)
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: email@example.com
INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields.
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ firstname.lastname@example.org.
Bird - Chalmette, LA)
MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting
cabbing please e-mail me at email@example.com
TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: firstname.lastname@example.org
email@example.com or telephone
361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield
Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!
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