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LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST
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Issue No. 257 - Monday, December 22, 2003
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Hi All, 

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will be produced each time there are 10 lapidary
post, something posted of great importance  or
each Friday whichever comes first.

Have a great holiday season.

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Index to Today's Digest

01  RE: New machine: XS3.
02  RE: fee to dig
03  NEW: Turbofan Laps
04  RE: fee to dig
05  RE: Young faceters
06  NEW: Bytownite questions
07  RE: WD40 use with BATT laps
08  NEW: CITRINE PROBLEMS
09  RE: WD40 use with BATT laps
10  RE: Father and son (off topic)

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Message:01

Subject: Re: REVISION XS-3!
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:36:52 -0800
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: Tony <lightbender@thegemdoctor.com>

Hello Jon,

>  it promptly got out of hand and I found
> myself booked up to 2005 before I could shut the list down.
> Oh well.  I had not REALLY intended to retire, anyway.

That's not a waiting list. Ferrarri have a much longer one than
that. Why would you want to retire anyway. Open the list I say,
do you want payment after completion or a few years in advance.
I always enjoy getting prepayment, it shows my customers have
confidence in me.

Tony.

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Message:02

Subject: Re: fee to dig
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:01:36 -0800
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: Tony <lightbender@thegemdoctor.com>

Hello Len,

There are many places to collect in BC but if you are after the
new Aqua I doubt whether you'll have much luck. There are very
few fee sites but plenty of free collecting.  The really good
stuff is a bit inaccessable though, usually involving
helicopters and bush hiking. There are a couple of books
published with maps to sites and of course the 'Geological
Survey of Canada' lists all finds. You have plenty of time to
research and contact Rockhound clubs (in my opinion the safest
and most rewarding way to collect) as there will be serious snow
cover for a few months yet.

Tony,
In Vancouver, B.C. where the sun came out and gave us a
magnificent view of the fresh snow capped peaks.

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Message:03

Subject: Re: Issue No. 255 - Wednesday, December 17, 2003
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:19:30 -0500
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: Donald Allen <donallen@gwi.net>

Hi All,
Has anyone tried these Turbofan Laps? It doesn't provide grit size.
There are a few different types. It mentions the types of materials
these can polish. I'd like to know if anyone has found these are
contamination prone and if anyone knows what grit sizes are used on the
polishing laps?

Also you could add my take on this to; Wednesday, December 17, 2003
group of funnies:

The early bird gets the worm, while additional wisdom is offered
conversely.


Don

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Message:04

Subject: B.C. Faceting Minerals
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:47:50 -0800
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: Mike Kilpatrick <kilpa@tenforward.com>

Message:09  REPLY:  Recent discoveries of fine Beryls have been
located on the B.C. border with the Yukon and N.W. Territory.  I
understand some fine Emeralds, as well as Aqua's have been found.
The Aqua's are deep blue and stable.  Sounds interesting.    Mike
Kilpatrick

Subject: fee to dig
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:09:37 -0800
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Len Britton" <elceb@olympus.net>

Are there any fee to dig areas in western B.C.? I heard they found some
new mineral and was wondering if anyone has heard of areas that might
open when the winter is over.
Len Britton

--
Sally & Mike Kilpatrick
1934  West  4th  Street
Port Angeles  WA  98363-1602 U.S.A.
e.mail:  kilpa@tenforward.com
phone:   360-452-1080


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Message:05

Subject: Young cutters
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:20:13 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Jerry Hughes <jerry@deltaonelapidary.com>

 Hi list
I tried to send a similar mail cc from the one I sent to
USFG list but it didn't get through
Its good that someone mentions new and younger cutters
It seems like we all talk about it and nobody does anything about it
Well in Waldport Or something has happened.I started alapidary school
for middle and high school kids..
  The program is done on Weds during school hrs.art 7 tech programs
The people taking the school program are charged $10.00 per year
which buys them a loup,bead board and a string of agate beads.
there is no charge for rough , the use of the machines or instruction
The rough has been  and is being  donated by
Dust Devil mining Oregon Sunstone
Poly - Metric Inst Corp
International Gem Society
The Oregon coast Agate Club
Charles Rock Shoppe Albany OR.
Delta  One Lapidary
other things donated are
Don Clark use of IGS web site
Poly Metric Inst Corp. new dops and the worlds best transfer jig
Covington Eng Co. Cab Machine.
Delta One Lapidary  1 Poly-metric faceting machine
1 prismatic faceting machine,all laps needed(on loan)
The after school program is Wed7 Thur. fron 3;00 to 6;00 pm
and is free to all.This program has 18 kids and the school
program has 18 kids.I going to add another after school
day.
The classes are held at the South Lincoln County Youth
Center.My  staff is all volenters
 I asked On USFG for feed back and gave my phone #  and heared
nothing Not even any Emails
I want to help other cutters start programs like this so (here comes the
guilt)
lets talk You who say you care about kids set up programs ,contribute to
this program,
Contribute to a similar program , but for Gods sake do something.
Yes you can contribute facet rough to our program
We are a 5013c chartable org. PLEASE NO  MONEY!!
Send to  SLCYC
% Delta One Lapidary
PO Box 2439
Waldport Or 97394

You may call us at 1 541 563 7495
As I understand this is a one of a kind program lets see that it dosnt stay
one of a kind
Jerry Hughes
Delta One Lapidary
jerry@deltaonelapidary.com
www.deltaonelapidary.com
Happy holidays

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Message:06

Subject: Bytownite
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:12:49 EST
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: DRB41347@aol.com

Hi,

I'm a new faceter and new to the group and would like to ask a question about
a stone that was given to me recently.  It's called Bytownite and I've read a
lot about it on the web but I don't think it's recognized as a separate
mineral.  My question concerns the cleavage.  My information claims perfect
cleavage in one direction and good in another.  How do I orient the stone to avoid
these cleavages? Or is there a problem other than being easily broken?  I know
that if topaz is cut on the cleavage plane it doesn't polish very well if at
all.  Any information about this stone will be much appreciated. 


Thanks for your help


Bob

Ps. Is the hardness of the stone 6, 6.5 or 7?  I seen all three listed

Thanks

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Message:07

Subject: RE: WD40 with Batt laps
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:04:02 +0000
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: lake989@att.net

I use WD 40 to clean my diamond laps every few days. Had not thought to use
with Batt lap. I mostly only use drip water on my Batt to clean sworf when
polishing. Seems to work well for me. I have had the same problem with sworf
and tried spraying extender, but not very successful. Think I will try your
system but probbaly not fix what is not broken. Sorry I do have anthing to
add to your question but the idea hit me as something I should try. Thanks!

Everett
www.kygemstones.com

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Message:08

Subject: CITRINE PROBLEMS
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:30:16 +1000
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Arch & Jan Morrison" <archnjan@serv.net.au>

Over the years I've cut both Clear Quartz and Amethyst and had no
problems polishing them either with 50K Diamond on Tin or with Cerium
Oxide on Lucite. Recently I cut for the first time a piece of Ametrine
and also a piece of Citrine and had polishing problems with both. The
Ametrine was an Emerald Cut and every time I polished the Culet it
developed a sawtooth edge. Was OK when I recut with 8K Diamond but
developed sawtooth again as soon as I polished with either 50K Diamond
or CeOx. Finally solved this problem by cutting a pair of very small
additional shallow Culet facets at 20 degrees. The Citrine was a complex
cut with a rose-style Crown. On any of the bigger facets it would
suddenly develop deep scratches (several of) just as it seemed to be
approaching an acceptable polish. And yes, it occurred with both 50K or
CeOx. In the end I had to polish these facets by hand with 50K/Tin on a
stationary lap and accept a lesser grade of polishing than I had
originally desired.
Has anyone else had similar problems? Is this a known/common problem
with Citrine? Any comments?
Arch Morrison,Buderim,Queensland - in the middle of the Australian
summer - cold seafood for Christmas dinner!

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Message:09

Subject: WD40
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:55:41 +1000
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Arch & Jan Morrison" <archnjan@serv.net.au>

SNIP<for those of you who clean your laps with WD40, do you find that
you must clean them much more often than prior to using WD40?>SNIP
I use a Zinc Lap when polishing Corundum (Sapphire) and clean it with
WD40. I then recharge the lap with 50K diamond paste and a spray of 50K
liquid lightly wiped with a tissue. When cutting slows I add further
spray of 50K liquid and lightly wipe. I don't notice a need to clean
with WD40 too often.
Arch Morrison, Sunshine Coast, Queensland,Australia

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Message:10

Subject: Re: Father and son
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:31:35 -0500
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com "LapidaryArtsDigest"
From: <tam2819@cox.net>

Re; .............What better a Christmas present than a son who wants to spend time
with his old man........!

Two grandsons who proudly introduce their grandmother to all their friends with
such great love in their eyes and the comment, "this is my cool grandmother."
Teresa
A wonderful Holiday to all and the Best New Year possible.


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