Issue No. 252 - Monday, December 01, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
Hi All, 

There were not 10 post so the digest was not produced
for the last week.
Remember the membership decides the Digest frequency
by posting volume. Less than 10 post = NO DIGEST for that


Index to Today's Digest

01  RE: Hi-tech Diamond Faceting Machine?
02  FS: Ultra-Tec Package
03  RE: polishing honduras opal
04  NEW: Shirts Quants
05  RE: Hi-tech
06  NEW: 2004 International Northwest Faceters' Symposium
07  RE: Growing Opal
08  AD: Corian Laps
09  NEW: stones
10  NEW: ebay / scam / emails (off topic)


Subject: Hi-Tech Machine
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:35:03 EST
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Ngems@aol.com

Hi - Tech "faceting" machine - check to see if it is not an "All-In-One"
machine. If so, they come in both a 6" and 8" model and are used for cabbing. they
do a good job, but you have to replace the lap to a finer grit every time you
finish with one grit. I've used one and found that I'd dop up about a dozen
stones at one time, and go through all dozen with the coarse lap, change laps
and do all of them on that lap, etc. until you get the polish you want on each.
Norm Holbert
Port St. Lucie, FL


Subject: Ultra-Tec Faceting Machine
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:28:30 -0600
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Mark Freeman" <res1gd08@verizon.net>

I have an Ultra-Tec Faceting machine I want to sell.  I also have two
solid steel Crystalite (600 & 1200) laps, 3 other Crystalite laps (180,
1200, 3000), a Bat Lap,  15-20 dops, transfer jig, tabling adapter,
citrine, peridot, tourmaline, topaz, garnet, chrome diopside, moldavite,
amethysts, and other rough.  1 lb of cerium oxide, =BD lb of aluminum
oxide, a few books..... You can contact me at res1gd08@verizon.net.   I
do not have pictures because I do not have a digital camera but have cut
about 10 stones with the machine and it is in good condition.  I will
sell everything I have for $1500.00.


Subject: polishing honduras opal
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:18:36 -0500
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Tim Vogle <birdman@mindspring.com>

I have used the following for many years with great success.

Start out with the standard 80 or 100 grit wheel.  get the stone the shape
you want it and then take about 30 seconds on the wheel pushing real hard
(to the point of almost breaking the stone).   Then go to a 220 and buff
out the rough spots and to the same 30  seconds of pushing hard.  Continue
the rest normally (without the hard push).  After your final polish  soak
the opal in luke warm water with  sudsy ammonia and Ivory Snow laundry (the
flake kind) overnight.  Stirring every our or so for the first 3 or 4 hours.

This final step takes all the junk out of the pores and leaves a nice
polish one the stone.


Tim Vogle Enterprises
DBA Slabs & Cabs
PO Box 421
Redan, GA 30074
770213-5300 beeper


Subject: Re: Issue No. 251 - Monday, November 24, 2003
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 01:06:39 -0800 (PST)
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Dale Rhode <rhodescabbin@yahoo.com>

Dear Rockhounds,
It is with a heavy heart that I send this message out. Shirts Quants of
Prinville died afew minutes ago after a week long battle from a stroke.
Mr Quants is well known in the Lapidary field, and has been all his 88
years of life. He discovered and or mined many of the fine rocks we
cab today.
I first met Shirts about 4 years ago and since that time we had became
very good friends. he is the first, I mean the First man that I can say
I never heard a curse word come from his mouth. His ethical Standards
of Rockhounding were a simple set of standards upon which he conducted
business. He was always giving and sharing of his rocks and knowledge.
The type of person that after 5 minutes of first meeting him you felt like
family-Shirts door was always open, always an extra log around the camp fire.
We shared many dreams, one was opening up the Carey Beds this past
Summer. It just never happened. I thank God for the trips we made to the
Ochcos, the fish we caught, rocks we found, and stories we shared. I am
blessed for having the honor of being called a friend by this person as many
of you are too.
An empty chair with a rock hammer is in the rock circle tonight and for many
many nights to come. Shirts-we miss you to much already.
I ask the moderator to please allow this link of a story I wrote about Shirts a
couple years ago. There is nothing for sale on this page, it is for education
only. Take a moment to read just "Some," of this man's accomplishments
and contributions to the world of rockhounding. Thank You,
Dale Rhode


Subject: Re: Issue No. 250 - Friday, November 21, 2003
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:38:21 -0300
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: David Stanley <davids@mail.cdlto.com.br>

   Re: HI-Tech Diamond
          The number is 805 522-6211. Jack. We like there products.
              David Epstein


Subject: 2004 International Northwest Faceters' Symposium - May 21-23 Mt. Vernon WA USA
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:44:09 -0800
To: Lapidary arts and faceters digest <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: Dan Clayton <dclayton@speakeasy.net>

I hope to see you at the 2004 International Northwest Faceting Symposium in Mt
Vernon Washington, USA. The dates are May 21-23 2004. It will be held at the
Cottonwood Inn and Convention Center in Mt Vernon Washington. It will be
hosted by the North Puget Sound Faceting Guild. The Facet Shoppe and Alpha
Supply will be vendors. There will be many outstanding speakers and displays.
You can get a show packet with more information as well as designs and rules
for the single stone competition from:

Bob Jimenez - Symposium Chairman
4440 Honeymoon Bay Road
Greenbank WA 98253

Phone - 360-331-4088


Subject: Re: The Georgic of Opal husbandry
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 00:34:56 -0800
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: Tony <lightbender@thegemdoctor.com>

Hello Thurmond,

Luckily you have a well developed sense of humour. I think that
Len Cram's choice of words and of course his other
eccentricities lend much credence to the perception of growing
opals in opal dirt as being the territory of the raving weirdo.

Names like Judith Osmer, Pierre Gilson and Carroll Chatham
conjure up images of white coated scientists busily coaxing
valuable gems from chemicals in their labs. A high tech industry
with all the fears and paranoia of high tech security. I believe
Len has found very cheap and low tech security as he is doing
essentially no different to these people. He doesn't have a high
security complex to house his experiments, it's actually a shed.
Of course his complete lack of interest in any commercial
potential reduces his risk that much further

Most of Len's discussion on the subject doesn't help convince you
that he has anything of value or has much scientific awareness
of what he is doing. The only stones he is willing to show are
no more than curiosities rather than stunning valuable gems. Of
course no opal miner is about to show off wealth or brag of

The big problem with growing your own is as you point out
> "Opal though not crystalline shares many characteristics of
> crystals due to the necessity of an orderly array of spheres."
the soup necessary to grow an opal is also quite willing and
capable of growing a crystal and the effect of this is quite
obvious in opal synthetics. The stone appears to have columnar
composition to some extent or another. For instance Gilson
stones are less obvious than the Kyocera. The effect is not
unlike the appearance of the hexagons in fiber optic glass but
doesn't produce the chatoyance.

Many many years ago I was cleaning out my sediment trap bucket
after cutting a considerable amount of opal, several pounds.  At
the time I remarked how nice it would be to put it all back
together in one stone. Oh how we guffawed and chortled.



Subject: Corian Laps
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:02:58 -0800
To: Lapidary arts and faceters digest <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: Dan Clayton <dclayton@speakeasy.net>

Hello Faceters,

You have probably heard of corian laps but don't have a source.
In case you never heard of corian laps they are made from
the counter top material, I think Dupont has the trademark. It is
a very hard material but not as hard or impervious as ceramic.
It seems to hold far less diamond or oxide than BATT since it
does not have the grain structure of a BATT. It can be charged
while I do not think a ceramic is ever charged. Corian is quite
forgiving and inexpensive. I think corian does great job as
a polishing lap but i have never used it for prepolish, maybe
we can get some comments on that subject. If you want to
try a corian lap or two contact Roy Wikman of the Columbia
Willamette Faceters Guild at


He has 8 inch laps for $25 or 6 inch laps for $20.

Hope you all had a great thanksgiving.

Dan Clayton


Subject: stones
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:59:53 +0000
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Michael Hing <faceting2@maiko.demon.co.uk>

Hi everyone,
I know I haven't been in touch for a while but I've been really busy for
a variety of reasons and probably have about 3MB of faceting messages to
read at some stage!  But, to cut a long story short, I now work for a
fancy jewellery company.  I will be going to Geneva for a training
session on Wednesday and will get to meet the production people, so if
anyone has a gemstone business and is interested in selling gems, let me
know and I will pass on your details if I think there is a fit.  We are
"haute joaillerie", so bear this in mind.

N.B. E-mail me privately unless you want everyone else to see the



Subject: ebay / scam / emails
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:40:17 -0500
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Peter In Maine" <kulaczp@pivot.net>

Beware of legit looking emails from Ebay...........Got 2 today and sent them
back to Ebay.........They confirmed the scam.......Even the sender was

Just a note for those selling there..........The emails wanted updated
information and told of someone trying to access my account..........Huh?

Peter / Maine has no snow yet........


None Today








PERSONALS: (General Lapidary and Faceting)






Lurking is fine, but participation is better for learning !
Post something from your experiences in gemcutting today!

From: Doug Smith <gembin@spiff.net>

The Big Band Era:

Back in the '40s , big dance bands flourished. Glenn Miller, Benny
Goodman, Tommy Dorsey; to name a few. Another big band leader was Kay
Kyser and his "College of Musical Knowledge". He always came onto the
stage wearing a graduation robe and cap saying, "Evenin' Folks, How
Y'All?" His leading trumpet player was Ish Kabibble (with a "soup bowl"
haircut and was full of nonsense) always shouted,  "Kay, what's the
difference between a duck?"  Kay would reply, "I don't know, Ish
Kabibble. What is the distance between a duck?" Ish Kabibble's answer,
"Two Feet!"  Total nonsense, but the audience would roar with laughter.

One night Kay announced he would dedicate the next song to the younger
married couples in the audience. Whereupon the band played "Always".

Next, Kay said he would dedicate a song to the middle age married
couples and the band played "Once In Awhile".

"Last, but not least," Kay said, "I want to dedicate the next song to
our older married couples."

Before Kay could strike up the band, some old geezer way back in the
audience jumped up and hollered, "Kay, before you play "Memories", play,
"We Did It Before, And We Can Do It Again!"


From: Doug Smith <gembin@spiff.net>

Who...  ME ???

This is a story about four people: Everybody, Somebody, Anybody, and
Nobody. There was an important job to be done and Everybody was asked to
do it. Everybody was sure Somebody would do it. Anybody could have done
it, but Nobody did it. Somebody got angry about that because it was
Everybody's job. Everybody thought Anybody could do it, but Nobody
realized that Everybody wouldn't do it. It ended up that Everybody
blamed Somebody when actually Nobody asked Anybody.


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