Issue No. 118 - Tuesday April 29, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
Index to Today's Digest

01  RE: Pearl Removal
02  RE: Copper Laps
03  RE: Jemeter and Pearls
04  FS: Another GemMaster II for sale
05  NEW: Faceters Symposium 2003


Subject: Re: pearl Removal
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:24:46 -0700
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: Don Rogers <Don@Campbell-gemstones.com>

At 06:16 PM 4/28/03 -0500, you wrote:
>I need suggestions on how to remove pearls for reuse that have been
>drilled and glued or epoxied to a post. Would attack be harmful to
>pearls? Any suggestions would be helpful.

Attack will not harm pearls, but it sure raises hell with the synthetic
ones.  Heat is your best option though.  grasp the peal with your
fingers.  Now heat the mounting , but keep the torch away from the
pearl.  Just about the time the pearl is getting uncomfortable to hold, the
epoxy or glue should release.  twist and pull the pearl.  Just remember,
the metal is a lot hotter than the pearl so make sure you have a hot pad to
hold it for the separation.  You need to be careful here.  It is possible
to overheat and burn or discolor the pearl.  If you have multiple pearls on
the piece, you have to watch that you are not damaging the one(s) that you
are not pulling right then.



Subject: Copper laps.
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:26:19 -0400
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: "Jonathan L. Rolfe" <webmaster@gearloose.com>

Copper laps are a good old workhorse, but serve best as prepolishing laps,
unless one is working with very hard materials like sapphire.  I chose
copper for the outer band of the Redwing (
http://www.battlap.info/redwing.html ) because it was the best choice for
prepolishing with 4,000-8,000 diamond. (It sure was not chosen for COST
reasons!)  Some people have had me make inlaid combination laps with BATT
in the center of cast iron, but all considered I prefer copper, though I
recall in the '70's one could not go into a rock shop without seeing cast
iron laps for sale.  They work well, especially with oil and diamond for
polishing sapphire, but they RUST.
Copper has an affinity for diamond and is workable enough to allow diamond
to be rolled into the surface.  I have some copper laps here that are more
than twenty years old.  They represent a good bargain in price/performance,
can be charged with a variety of grits from 320 or coarser to 14400, and
last forever.  With proper charging and maintainance their cutting speed is
not much slower than the plated laps.


Subject: Re: Jemeter and Pearls
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:47:47 -0500
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Downey <alckytxn@swbell.net>

> Subject: Jemeter
> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 14:44:03 -0700
> To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
> From: "Dale" <bouver@earthlink.net>
> Hello Gang,
> I'm looking for a Jemeter, anyone got one for sale?
> Dale
> if so contact me offline bouver@earthlink.net

Howdy Dale,
When the Jemeters (analog and digital) show up on eBay they go quick
and for big bucks.
I think Hanneman sells a version but the best deal may be the relative
reflectance meter at www.kassoy.com . Haven't checked lately but it had
been on sale for about $150. You need to refer its readout to a chart
but it operates on the same exact principle as the Jemeter.
There is also a Brewster's Angle meter available from the GAGTL that
can read up to around RI 3.5 I think. But it's about $1800 (or maybe
pounds now I think of it!).

1 Lucky Texan

> Subject: pearls
> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 20:53:23 -0700
> To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
> From: "Don Roberts" <drobert2@san.rr.com>
> I need suggestions on how to remove pearls for reuse that have been
> drilled and glued or epoxied to a post. Would attack be harmful to
> pearls? Any suggestions would be helpful. The pearls have sentimental
> value to the owner and wants them reused for her daughter if possible.

> Don Roberts
> San Diego

Howdy Don,
Just a few weeks ago there were several posts about this on the Orchid
Digest (www.ganoksin.com). Try searching their archives.
The most intrigueing solution I recall was to use a
'soft'solder(electronics type) soldering iron, tinned with a little
solder, to hold on the post(fluxed?) in the pearl and unplug the iron.
When the solder was solid, the heat on the glue coupled with the
(hopefully) mechanical connection to the post, should allow it to be
pulled free. Of course, this assumes the pearl has been cut or broken
free of the base.

1 Lucky Texan


Subject: Another GemMaster II for sale
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 06:41:40 -0400
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Kevin Bloom <bloomk@comcast.net>


Circumstances have forced me to sell a machine I've only had for a few
months, which was purchased new. It's only cut a few stones and comes
with dops and 2 laps, (cutting lap and a fast lap) plus the original
tools. Will negotiate price with or without rough; also I'll drive it to
where you are in the lower 48. Asking $4000/ or best and can accept PayPal.

Kevin Bloom


Subject: Faceters Symposium 2003
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:56:47 -0700 (PDT)
To: LAPIDARY ARTS & FACETERS DIGEST <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: Glenn Klein <glennklein@yahoo.com>

Hi Everyone: Along with the nine speakers and two special guests
lined up for the Faceters Symposium 2003 at Ventura in June, we
have some great sponsors for our Hospitality Hour.  They will be
there to show their wares and talk to our interested Symposium
attendees. Along with Ultra-Tec and Facetron, we now have a 
third sponsor....Don Roberts.  Don will show you his skill and
equipment for cutting CONCAVE FACETS.  He is a distributor of
Poly-Metric OMF concave faceting machines and Xristal-Tek and
Scintillator flat faceting machines and accessories.  Don will have
the OMF (Optical Magnified Facet) unit at the Symposium.   If you
have not requested the packet of information as yet, time is
growing short.  Email me your snail mail post office address and I
will send the packet out to you PRONTO! If you intend to enter
the competitions we offer at the Symposium you had better get
your stone done soon.  There are not too many days left until the
Symposium begins. And, if you have not sent in your $90 for the
three days of the Symposium, better get that done soon too.  

Glenn Klein, Chairman
Faceters Symposium 2003
Ventura, CA
June 6-7-8, 2003









PERSONALS: (General Lapidary and Faceting)




Lurking is fine, but participation is better for learning !
Post something from your experiences in gemcutting today!


Yogi Berra Quotes

"Always go to other people's funerals, otherwise they won't come to yours."

"Baseball is 90 percent mental. The other half is physical."

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"No wonder nobody comes here; it's too crowded."

"We made too many wrong mistakes."

"You can observe a lot by just watching."

"I usually take a two-hour nap from 1 to 4." - Yogi Berra



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God who has endowed us with sense, reason,
and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.

--- Galileo Galilei ---




We at L&M gems are making some changes to our business.  As part of these
changes, we will be closing out most of the material we have on our
website at huge savings. If you want anything, now is the time to get it
while it's on sale because a lot of what doesn't sell at sale prices will
be removed.

This sale includes a minimum of 40% off most items.  Some items more - and
sometimes much more, like 75% off some items  How about 50% off on
amethyst, 50% off most rhodolite garnets, 60% off green/yellow diopside,
50% off kornerupine, 60% off a zircon parcel, 55% off that huge
actinolite, 55% off all alexandrite, 55% off all bulk malaya color garnet,
60% off mixed yellow scapolite.  The few exceptions that are that less
than 40% are 25% off red spinel and all sapphire rough, and 20% off all
select tourmaline.  We will be adding some items to the website as we are
able, so please check back for new items being added to the website, and
immediately put on sale.

Please note that our normal 5-day inspection period does not apply to this
inventory liquidation sale.  All sale merchandise will be sold "as is" and
we will not accept returns.  Additionally, all sales must be by credit
card, money order or cashier's check.  We will not be accepting personal
or business checks for this sale.  This change is temporary, and is only
going to apply to this liquidation sale.


African Tourmaline

I have some Afrcian Tourmaline Rough for sale.  Assorted bi-color pieces
red-white, green-white, green-blue, pink-blue, and pink-blue pieces that
will cut matched pairs and suites.  There are pieces 1-15 carats so call
and tell me what you are looking for.  I also have large pieces of red
and pink Tourmaline from Africa as well as orange so please email with
your request.  I also have three small Diamond Crystals for sale gem
grade.  Tyler Allen t.allen@mindspring.com


We recently received a 100+kg parcel of the Serbian Green Opal. This is a
new material coming out of southern Serbia near the border of Macedonia. It
is an awesome material for cabbing as we well as excellent material for

We are putting some individual pieces on our website at:


Information about Serbian Green Opal can be found on our website at:


A example picture of the bulk rough can be seen on the information page
(above link).

But, we are offering bulk prices on 'A' grade material as follows:

< 500 gram        $.75 per gram
500 gram - 1kg    $.50 per gram
1kg - 5kg         $275  per kg
5kg - $25kg       $200  per kg
25kg+             $175   per kg

The minimum order on the bulk pricing is 100 grams.
Pieces range from 3/4" to 6".


Unconventional Lapidarist
James Carpenter
Phone: 940.727.1536
Email: info@unconventionallapidarist.com
Web:   http://www.unconventionallapidarist.com


Incredible CZ rough available in all colors of the rainbow.  Most available
at 6 cents per ct.  Pic's available at www.pebbledesignbymolly.com   Click on
the CZ button from the home page.  We accept paypal, checks, MO, Visa, MC. 
$25 order minimum.

Mike Scanlan
Pebble Designs
PO Box 1014
Hixson TN  37343


Killer Fire Agate, from new Discovery , Deer Creek, Slaughter Mt.
quality at reasonable price. Write Azinterco@aol,com   for pictures and
prices. Or kenaii@earthlink.net


Get a FREE copy of the 2003 Faceter's Engagement Calendar
with a $100+ rough purchase at http://www.qualitygemrough.com
(see website for details).

We have recently added some new material, including a new African
find of green/yellow diopside (and we are the only people we know
who have it).  Our stock includes things like alexandrite, amethyst,
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kornerupine, sapphire, spinel, tourmaline, zircon and more.

At http://www.qualitygemrough.com you get more value for your
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Rough to Cut
If you're looking for quality facet rough please check out Rough to Cut,
http://www.roughtocut.com. We offer a wide range of quality facet rough
from Aquamarine to Zircon. Large selections in stock currently of Beryl,
Garnets & Tourmalines. Please check us out & when you do, why not give a
try to our contest, you could win a 5ct + piece of Spessartite garnet
facet rough.

Rough to Cut


Contact b-daw@pacbell.net



Rock Peddler
Complete online discount catalog for cabbing and faceting machines, wheels,
laps, polishes, diamond saws, diamond blades, and general lapidary supplies
at http://www.rockpeddler.com.


Gewelers Gems
e-mail: sales@jewelersgems.com
Solid copper laps 1/4 thick 8" and 6"  you can charge both sides with
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