Issue No. 115 - Thursday April 24, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
From the Moderator:

Posting has been light lately. Let's see some answers.
Share your gemcutting knowledge with future generations.

There were some knappers on the list at one time. Any
of you guys still out there? If so a description of your art
would be nice.

Index to Today's Digest

01  RE: Gems By Design
02  RE: aussue cutter and 100,000 for polish
03  NEW: Beginners


Subject: Re: Issue No. 114 - Wednesday April 23, 2003
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:08:37 -0400
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: Dan Clayton <dclayton@speakeasy.org>

On Wednesday 23 April 2003 06:49 pm, you wrote:
> Has anybody tried Gems By Design. They were mentioned with designs for
> opal. I have tried twice and can not get on their site. They do not
> respond to email questions or help you to get registered.
> Any help by members would be appreciated.
> Len Britton

My server melted down and although I have restored the database
and data the main site is still flaky. Sometime it works right and
sometimes it doesn't. You don't have to register to use the site.
You can go directly to my design page which has the opal designs


or you can go to Gustavo's designs including the Lighting Hope
Suite at


You are welcome to try to use the rest of the site but you will just
test your patience at this point. Registering has never been a
requirement unless you wanted to post photos and that isn't working
now anyway. I am going to turn off the other parts of the site so
they don't distract you.

Dan Clayton


Hi Dan, I wondered what happened. Sorry to hear it. I do know what a
pain a serious crash can be. (I had hair before I entered the computer industry
25 years ago. LOL)


Subject: Re: aussue cutter and 100,000 for polish
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:20:52 EDT
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: Cutugem@aol.com

 #1 I have an Aussie friend that cuts . If you care to his address is
garnet@picknowl.com.au.  His name is Bob Kay and a mighty fine fellow he

#2 The only thing I have ever had success with on a ceramic is polishing
sapphire with 50,000. However the success I have had with that combo has been
outstanding. I do however have great success with 100,000 on a batt lap for
mirror polishes. On some material 50,000 will leave a slight haze but 100,000
does the job. Before batt I used 100,000 on a tin lap with close to similar
results. For cheap down and dirty to see what works you can thank aol for the
free cd discs that show up daily and just score them slightly from the center
hole out to the rim and charge them with the polish of your choice. Real
quick and easy and it works too. Nice thing is if they do start to scratch
just pitch it into the recycle container and get the next one out. If you use
a heavy hand they do round the facets just a tad but a bit lighter on the
hand usually cures that nicely.

Be well everyone,  Dennis on the North Coast


Hi Dennis,   I love old CD's. I was very angry when AOL quit sending me free
floppies untill I started Faceting. Now I have a network of friends and family
that will keep me supplied with old CD's for life.



Subject: Beginners
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:50:05 +0100
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Russell Taylor" <silver.leys@btopenworld.com>

Hello Thurmond,

Advice please for a beginner from your members.

As I took early retirement late last year I decided to follow up my
fascination of coloured stones (having done nothing previously about it
apart from reading), initially by registering on your digest - for a
novice like me totally mind-blowing all the information you people have
(and I have to say at this stage of my knowledge much goes right over
the top of my head).

I then decided that my next step was to take some faceting tuition to
see if the hobby was for me. Here in the UK (unlike you lucky people in
the US), it seems to be extremely difficult to find clubs/people to
provide tuition but I found a great chap in the North of England (a nice
drive of 350 miles for me!) who gave me 5 days of his time on reasonable
terms (if anyone needs tuition in the UK try www.smithcraft.co.uk) and I
produced (with some help) my first amethyst, garnet and 3\4 of a citrine
- all beauties to behold - at least in my mind anyway!

So now that I have the bug and also the time, on to my first dilemma
which I thought I would gather some views from across the pond.

If I start faceting just what do I do with the production? No doubt my
wife will be more than willing to accept the occasional jewel and then
presumably on to my immediate family; more distant family and then
friends. Where do you go from there - I am sure there is only so much
jewellery they want (on second thoughts perhaps not!!).
Do we then start looking for a profit and sell to the public? Maybe it
will be thought that I am trying to run before having learnt to walk
(having cut only 2 3/4 stones) but I need to have a feel as to where it
is taking me. Is it not a problem that to compete with the mass
production market (apart from those of you that have established
reputations) you have to value your time at next to nothing? You know
that your stone is probably better quality and has been cut to a more
exacting finish than 'similar' stones in the high street jewellers (or
through auctions such as Ebay) but the public usually does not have the
same knowledge base to make this distinction.
What say you all??

On to dilemma No. 2.
On the assumption that I am going ahead, what faceting machine should I
buy? At this stage let us assume that (within reason!) cost is not a
problem and that I want to buy new. Being a total novice, what I need is
high precision but most important ease of use ( including instructions
in words of no more than one syllable!). All I see advertised (v.little
here in the uk) is Gem Master II (it seems to have been around a while)
and UltraTec.
Is that all there is and what would be the recommendations from you
experts (plus tips to look for)?

Would much appreciate your views

Kind regards

Russell Taylor


Hi Russell,  You are absolutely correct that the wealth of information
available from the collective mind of the list is almost beyond belief.
It would be interecting to know how many total years of experience
the 950+ members of the list have. I would guess it would be 5 to 10
thousand years at least and probably much more.

I do not have any advise concerning selling your products but there was
discussion on the list in the past. You might want to look through the archives
at http://www.gemcutters.org if you have not already for that discussion thread.

I personally started faceting with a lap lap (about $100 US)which is a very rudimentary
manual faceting device. Consequently my first stone took about 12 hours to cut and
polish. One major advantage of manual cutting is the near impossibility of
overcutting a facet. I did not use the lap lap for long though. (I still use it when traveling
and at shows / fairs since it draws quite a bit of attention) I had the good
fortune of getting a used Ultra Tec from a e-bay seller who included laps and
an assortment of rough. I use this machine today but I really would like to
get my hands on a Gem Master II (Facette). I susspect that that will not happen
soon since I am a hobby cutter and it would run about $4500 US.

Rest assured that there are several different machines and each has it's own
loyal following of users. Hopefully others will chime in with their personal favorites
as well as a description of what they like best and worst about it.









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We at L&M gems are making some changes to our business.  As part of these
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This sale includes a minimum of 40% off most items.  Some items more - and
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amethyst, 50% off most rhodolite garnets, 60% off green/yellow diopside,
50% off kornerupine, 60% off a zircon parcel, 55% off that huge
actinolite, 55% off all alexandrite, 55% off all bulk malaya color garnet,
60% off mixed yellow scapolite.  The few exceptions that are that less
than 40% are 25% off red spinel and all sapphire rough, and 20% off all
select tourmaline.  We will be adding some items to the website as we are
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Please note that our normal 5-day inspection period does not apply to this
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we will not accept returns.  Additionally, all sales must be by credit
card, money order or cashier's check.  We will not be accepting personal
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going to apply to this liquidation sale.


African Tourmaline

I have some Afrcian Tourmaline Rough for sale.  Assorted bi-color pieces
red-white, green-white, green-blue, pink-blue, and pink-blue pieces that
will cut matched pairs and suites.  There are pieces 1-15 carats so call
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grade.  Tyler Allen t.allen@mindspring.com


We recently received a 100+kg parcel of the Serbian Green Opal. This is a
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We are putting some individual pieces on our website at:


Information about Serbian Green Opal can be found on our website at:


A example picture of the bulk rough can be seen on the information page
(above link).

But, we are offering bulk prices on 'A' grade material as follows:

< 500 gram        $.75 per gram
500 gram - 1kg    $.50 per gram
1kg - 5kg         $275  per kg
5kg - $25kg       $200  per kg
25kg+             $175   per kg

The minimum order on the bulk pricing is 100 grams.
Pieces range from 3/4" to 6".


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Phone: 940.727.1536
Email: info@unconventionallapidarist.com
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PO Box 1014
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Get a FREE copy of the 2003 Faceter's Engagement Calendar
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We have recently added some new material, including a new African
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