Issue No. 107 - Monday April 14, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works of
Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
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Topical Focus for This Week: AMBER AND COPAL CUTTING

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Index to Today's Digest

01  RE:  Cold Dopping induced stress
02  RE:  amber/copal cutting clinic topic
03  RE:  Thanks, Opals and Opal Addiction
04  NEW:  Bob Keller's "Rockhounds.com" site
05  NEW:  raytracing
06  NEWS: Walter Carrs
07  NEW:  Emerald Sources?
08  NEW:  Off The Dop.


Subject: Cold Dopping induced stress
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 20:37:54 -0400
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>, Douglas Turet
From: Kenda Wright <kendaw@worldnet.att.net>

> Subject: Re: Issue No. 104 - Wednesday April 9, 2003
> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 02:03:05 -0400
> To: faceters@caprock-spur.com, dclayton@speakeasy.org, covill@msn.com
> From: "Douglas Turet" <anotherbrightidea@hotmail.com>

>  I've always preferred wax's elasticity to either of them.

So, I understand stress induced by epoxy as it shrinks.  That makes sense.
I watched a beautiful green tourmaline crystal crack as I cut. So, I believe
everything you said.

What is your method to use wax on both sides without overheating the
stone while keeping the temperature high enough to make good
bond on side two?

I could never perfect the wax-to-wax technique so, my normal
method is brown wax on side one, cut pavilion. Transfer with epoxy,
cut crown. Remove side one brown wax by heating the dop
over a flame to release the wax.  Same to releas epoxy bond on side two.
Then clean up with denatured alcohol.   This seems to work well,
except with heat sensitive stones.

I split a beautiful yellow appatite initially dopping with brown wax because
the wax was too hot for the stone.  So, heat seems to be a
stress inducer for some heat sensitive stones (apatite).  And, epoxy induces
stress in tourmaline.   So, I guess I shoudl pay attention to more techniques
for how to bond and release tourmaline to the dops.

John, in Lexington


Subject: Re: Amber, Copal, Pearl.
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 11:41:27 -0700
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: Tony <lightbender@thegemdoctor.com>

Hello Thurmond,

Amber presents few problems for cutting but polishing is another
matter. The old standbys will smear and tear any facet, very
very wet leather (yikes) will give about a good a polish as
amber takes and round off your facet edges completely. Dopping
can also be a problem as dop wax will affect the polish as will
alcohol used as a cleaner. To get around this problem you will
have to resort to a bizarre cutting order. Cut and polish crown,
dop to cut table, cut and polish pavilion, hand held to polish
table. Most glues will eat amber so they shouldn't be
considered, Acetone dissolves amber rapidly. A surprisingly good
polish can be achieved by rubbing the stone against denim cloth
vigorously, but this would be for cabbed stones.

I have a small amber collection, none of which are faceted but
all of my pieces have spider or insect inclusions. I have
repaired and repolished many pieces of amber over the years and
have never seen any that looked attractive faceted, beads are
the closest.

I can't imagine why anyone would want to do anything with copal
resin, this stuff will crumble whilst being cut and is a pain to
polish even by amber standards. Even with bug inclusions it has
only minimal value so you need to have something special trapped
inside for it to be worth bothering with.

Hello Naomi,
Pearl faceting has become popular recently and is certainly a
saver for a pearl that is damaged, wrinkly, or otherwise
unsellable. The important factor is the depth of nacre, if you
cut through it you get a dead spot or even worse you find the
seed. This means facets are going to be small. Obviously this
limitation will prevent much creativity. Polishing is no real
problem with cerium on plastic.

 I would only recommend faceting for pearls that will not sell as
there is very little if any value to be gained by cutting one in
this fashion. If you must try this I would suggest you practice
with a piece of abalone shell or M.O.P. to get a feel for how to
work this material. A low dome checkerboard rose cut in abalone
shell can be quite dramatic.



Subject: Thanks
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 12:30:17 +0100
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Gustavo Castelblanco" <mail@montana78.freeserve.co.uk>


I wanted to thank all the people who shared their knowledge about opals
on and off the list.
After reading very carefully and taking notice about the advise and
information given to me about the Enchanted Opal I have come to the
conclusion that the stone will be better cut into a cab. I will loose
too much weight otherwise and may not have a good result if I facet it.

I am getting very interested in opals. I have never really look at the
parcel I bough till I saw Phil's stones. I hope I don't become an opal
maniac as it will take me away from faceting. Maybe I should find the
happy medium line between both. Still I have to learn to cab and it will
be a while before I tackle any decent stone.




Subject: Bob Keller's "Rockhounds.com" site
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 14:58:13 -0400
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "Douglas Turet" <anotherbrightidea@hotmail.com>

Hi everyone,

     For about the past week, or so, I've been trying to access Bob Keller's
"Bob's Rock Shop" URL (see subject line), but it's been inaccessible through
both the msn.com and Yahoo! portals. Can anyone  suggest either a viable
point of access to the site, or provide me with access to another tangent
ratio calculator, so that I can adjust some designs for low-R.I. materials?
My recent design requests have turned up some interesting options, but I
can't ttry them without making adjustments, first. (Oh, and to those who
might be tempted to send the actual, specific formulae for angle
adjustments, please don't: I'm quite mathematically challenged, and won't
know how to make use of them. What I'm seeking is the kind of setup Bob had
on his site, where you plug in the original series of angles, then tell the
"calculator" which angle the "goal" setting should be at, and press "Go",
and it prints out the rest. Does anyone else have something like this
available? If so, please write or phone me with the details.

Many thanks, indeed,

Douglas Turet, GJ
Lapidary Artist, Designer & Goldsmith.
Turet Design
P. O. Box 162
Arlington, MA 02476, U.S.A.
Tel. (617) 325-5328
Fax: (928) 222-0815
Email: anotherbrightidea@hotmail.com


Subject: raytracing
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 00:21:10 -0500
To: IFA Faceter's Digest <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: Downey <alckytxn@swbell.net>

Howdy Folks,

While doing a little research into an optics experiment I'm playing
around with, I came across the article at
http://www.gia.org/wd_1383ar_2282.htm   .
So, does anyone know if GemCad or other raytracing programs take
polarization states into account when calculating paths and brightness?

1 Lucky Texan


Subject: Walter Carrs
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT)
To: LAPIDARY ARTS & FACETERS DIGEST <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: Glenn Klein <glennklein@yahoo.com>

Hi Everyone: Rhoda and I just got a call from Beryl Carrs, with the news that
Walter Carrs passed away this morning. Walter was one of our best United
States competition faceters.  He was a great supporter of the United States
team and will be greatly missed by us other competition faceters. Walter was
also one of our United States Air Force hero's of World War II, where as a
Colonel he participated in the infamous Ploesti raid over Romania, and he
later crashed landed his B-24 on another mission over Italy....after having
his other crew members all bail out first. We have lost a great American.
Glenn Klein

Subject: Re: Issue No. 105 - Thursday April 10, 2003
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 23:11:22 -0600
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "George Mather" <Concordml@msn.com>

One more question please, where do you get your emeralds?


Subject: Off The Dop.
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:48:54 +0100
To: "LapidaryArtsDigest" <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Gustavo Castelblanco" <mail@montana78.freeserve.co.uk>

I finished cutting a Bytownite yesterday and wanted to show it to you
all. I use one of my designs called Cobra. the stone is a soft straw
yellow and the picked up all the surrounding colour in the photograph. I
do like the pattern of this design as it's a little different than other
squares. To view the stone go to http://mysite.freeserve.com/gemstones/
and look in the "Latest Cut Stone" page.









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