committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
Issue No.9 - Friday November 15, 2002
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Index to Today's Digest

Lapidary Messages:
01 Re: Saw BLades
02 Re: Cutting oils
03 Re: Continuous rim blades
04 Re: Princess Cut

Faceting Messages:
05 Re:GemCad Basic designs
06 Jubilee Project cutting instructions
07 Protractor accuracy

Business Section -
01 Re: Mark Liccini



Subject: Saw Blades
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:33:09
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: "Gems of the Earth" <goe6@attbi.com>

Does anyone know of comparison testing that has been done on diamond saw
blades and/or sharpening ageents. I sell slabs on eBay and have 2 saws
running almost continuously - every time it is necessary to purchase
another saw blade, I wonder if there have been any tests or comparison's
done in the past that I could consult as to the best type of blade to use.
There are so many to choose from and if there hasn't been any testing
done, why don't one of the lapidary magazines take up the gauntlet? Are
they afraid of getting their advertisers upset? For that matter, why
hasn't there been any comparisons done on slabbing saws? Comments,

Lenny Salandi, chada32 on eBay.


Subject: Re: Issue No.8 - Thursday November 14, 2002
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:57:07 EST
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Send2mail@aol.com

Oil & water & dish soap

Excellent recommendation Don..... Clear dawn or Blue colored dawn soap works

Personally, after much research, I would lean toward using a high quality
"food grade" petroleum mineral oil... Less to no odor and less problems for
you, the slabs and the planet overall, than other types of petroleum based
oil products....

Leaving slabs in the sun after washing them etc. etc...serves to mostly
remove oil odors and yet it will not remove any sizable amount of the oil
itself... I have picked up slabs that sat in the desert sun for years and the
slab was still slippery

I have been told the only way to remove most of the oil is to heat the slabs
in an oven, outdoors of course - good ventilation is needed ! ........ I
can't remember the temperature needed to literally cook / burn the oils out
of the slabs..

Oil is not water soluble, which is why it is difficult, actually d a r n
near impossible to get it out of any type of porous materials, other than the
hardest of agates that have no other softer mixed matrixes...I have also
tried to get oils out of hard agates that have hard pores / holes in the
agate and NO LUCK AT ALL.. I'd have to oven bake the slabs to get the oils
out of the holes

Myself, I have decided that I will be cutting in Water Only, which will
basically require 2 simple procedures......First purchase a good blade that
is able to cut in water,,, MK has such a blade & up to 36" ...as do other
manufacturers....... Second, the saw and blade must be cleaned and dried
after each days use, which is about a 30 to 60 minute job, MAX... But I
figure I'll save loads and loads of time, by NOT having to clean off one
single slab of any oil mess.....

Of course the blade life will be reduced by some small percentage, but it
still will last for years, as I am not a massive production cutter...



Subject: Continuous rim blades
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:10:55 -0500
To: "Lapidary Arts- lapidary" <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Rock Peddler" <rockpeddler@attbi.com>

From Issue #6" "Continuous Rim Saw Blades..
I was not aware that MK made an 18 inch Continuous Rim Blade..
Which model number of the MK blades ... ? 297 , 301 , 303 ....Are your sure
you don't mean a sintered blade, which has a notched rim, or a segmented
I think the NU-TEK brand of blades, with smart cut technology, have
Continuous rims up to 16"..... and maybe 18" ?? .... But I was under the
impression that MK stopped their continuous rim blades at 14", due to some
type of cutting problems........? RnL "

You are correct that the MK blades from 16" through 36" are segmented; only
the 4" through 14" are continuous rim. Nu-Tek or Advantage blades (the same
thing, different names) are continuous through 16".
Jeanne Ridolfi - Rock Peddler
www.rockpeddler.com, www.facetinglaps.com, our special lap discount site
800-416-4348; M-F, 10am - 5pm, eastern time



Subject: Princess Cut
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:14:05 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Charles Moon <clmoon@pacbell.net>

Alexandre Wolkonsky in 4/22/92 Designed a "PRINCESS LOOK-ALIKE" (
Design - AW 9); Angles for Corundum; 61 facets; Crown = C1->C3; and
Pavilaion = P1->P5; CULET ANGLE = 41 degrees

Shape = Square
Table Area = 29.6 %
T/W = .6480
C/W = .1502
P/W = .5821
H/W = .7523

Would have sent the angles, but not sure about the copyright
requirements. The given information should be enough to whet your
faceting appetite,that is,if interested. It is my understanding that
Mr. Wolkonsky was one of the first, if not the first, to attempt at
reproducing the the Original Princess design. THERE IS A COLLECTION
INFORMATION. BTW, The Collection was computed by Fred Van Sant in


Subject: Re:GemCad Basic designs.
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:50:06 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Don Rogers <Don@Campbell-gemstones.com>

At 05:16 PM 11/14/02 -0600, you wrote:
>It would be great if Robert would make an addition to GemCad with a file
>that contained 10 or 12 basic designs we could bring up and modify to our own
> liking

I found that duplicating a printed design in GemCad to be the best way to
learn the program. I usually need a *.gem file anyway because I play a lot
with the crowns to bring up the dispersion for the garnets I'm
cutting. Pick any printed design and start with a clean slate. Cut the
stone in gemcad the same as you would on your machine. It's a great
learning tool, and you now have a file to start from for tweeking the
angles, etc.



Subject: Jubilee Project cutting instructions
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 01:21:15 +0000
To: post@maiko.demon.co.uk
From: Michael Hing <post@maiko.demon.co.uk>
Cc: faceters@caprock-spur.com

Dear all,

Jubilee Project Update Regarding Cutting Instructions:

Because "Classic I" is one of Jeff's published designs, he doesn't want
to publish full details on the web. But he has done a step-by-step
guide for us on how to cut the design, which you can find on the
following website:


However, in order to use this guide, you'll need the list of cutting
indexes and angles. So, if you are cutting a stone for the Jubilee
project, please e-mail me and I will send you the details separately.

Happy cutting!


Subject: Protractor accuracy
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:50:45 EST
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: GEMARTSERV@aol.com

This was my approach....not as fancy or time consuming as cutting a
retroreflector and using laser lights etc, but it got me pretty darn close.
Tell me if I am off base.
I dopped a decent size stone ( about 10 mm ) and set protractor at 45 deg.
and cut a good size facet at index 96. Size is unimportant. Then I turned
to the 48 index and cut another facet to the same depth. Obviously,it is
very important that both are cut to exactly the same depth. I used a 600 lap
if I recall correctly.
Remove dop from quill and take to your nearest hardware store and find a
machinist's square. Hold dopped stone in the 90 deg. right angle corner of
the square. and hold up to a light background. If you have your own
machinist's square, more power to you. If you observe any "daylight" you can
see whether you are plus or minus a little in the 90 deg. opening. Go back
home and fine tune your equipment and do it again. An optical comparitor that
many inspection labs have would be even better, but since I am now retired I
really don't want to drive 200 miles round trip to my old place of employment
to ask them to do a "government" job for me.
The second cycle did it for me. I'm happy that at 45 deg. I am mighty close
to 90 deg. when they are added together.. Therefore, at normal culet angles
etc I'm confident I'm OK.
I have a Vargas Fac-A-Gem machine with a separate handpiece....not unlike the
Raytech. My slight adjustment was to move ( bend) the protractor angle
indicating arm a small fraction of a degree.
I'd be glad to answer any questions as long as they don't involve those mast
and staff machines. I love the separate hand piece approach to faceting.

Jerry Newman


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Graves: http://www.rockhounds.com/graves/
MDR: http://www.mdr-facet.com/
Polymetric: http://www.polymetricinc.com/
Ultra-tec: http://www.ultratec-facet.com
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
http://www.fac-ette.com/ 800-336-9248.
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com



Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org


FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~

*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, wmcnay@mindspring.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: ghgemcutter@earthlink.net
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, rockpeddler@attbi.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, lklomp@cnetech.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, E-mail: tgibbs@compuserve.com
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
Queensland. http://cwpp.slq.qld.gov.au/afg
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, attaway@highfiber.com
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch chuck_b@prodigy.net
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, gemsbyj@aol.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.

(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write to
( owner-lapidary@caprock-spur.com or owner-faceters@caprock-spur.com )



A clergyman walking down a country lane and sees a young farmer
struggling to load hay back onto a cart after it had fallen off.

"You look hot, my son," said the cleric. "why don't you rest
a moment, and I'll give you a hand."

"No thanks," said the young man.

"My father wouldn't like it."

"Don't be silly," the minister said.

"Everyone is entitled to a break. Come and have a drink of water."

Again the young man protested that his father would be upset.
Losing his patience, the clergyman said, "Your father must be a
real slave driver. Tell me where I can find him and I'll give him a
piece of my mind!"

"Well," replied the young farmer, "he's under the load of hay."



" Use the talents you possess;
For the woods would be very silent,
If no birds sang except for the very best."

--- Author Unknown ---



Subject: Regarding Mark Lucinni...
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:39:25 EST
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "Hilton D. Freed" <hilton.freed@juno.com>

I have been away from this list for a while and returned to find that a
fellow member, Mark Lucinni, had passed away. What happened ?



Rough to Cut
If you're looking for quality facet rough please check out Rough to Cut,
http://www.roughtocut.com. We offer a wide range of quality facet rough
from Aquamarine to Zircon. Large selections in stock currently of Beryl,
Garnets & Tourmalines. Please check us out & when you do, why not give a
try to our contest, you could win a 5ct + piece of Spessartite garnet
facet rough.

Rough to Cut


Facet polishing laps
Still have a couple of dozen Vargas Pol-A-Gem laps left. Only Cerium Oxide
in 6" size. There will be no more 8". Glenn really is not interested in
fiddling with his lathe to correct his maching problems at 8". He and his
protoge, Dick Rugel, will make more 6" if there is demand. There is nothing
faster,better or more durable than a Pol-A-Gem for quartz,sunstone, opal etc.
One lap should last a lifetime ....and they DO NOT SCRATCH. They also work
great on 8" machines. Lemme know your interest. Price delivered in US is
Jerry Newman Gemart Services gemartserv@aol.com


Subject: AD
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "P. Miklik" <b-daw@pacbell.net>

Contact b-daw@pacbell.net

Honey, red & brown zircons, 10g parcels @$20/parcel

Red Garnet $8/g, eye clean-slightly included
Spessartine Garnet $7.50/g, slight-moderately included
Malaya Garnet $6/g, good eye clean roughs
Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included

Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
Green/Green Blue Tourmaline $10/g, eye clean roughs

Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly
included, up to 1g.

Blue Beryl (Aquamarine) $6/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals
Green Beryl (Emerald) $10-$50/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals,
zoned green
Cabbing Grade Aquamarine $3/g


Must sell the following rough - no reasonable offer refused -

Rose Malaya Garnet - deep red, eye clean african material - 1 kg available -
$2.00/gram for quantities of 500 grams or more

Red Zircon - eye clean african material - 300g available - $2.00/gram if you
take the entire 300 grams

Spessartite Orange Garnet - slightly to moderately included African
material - Ranges from 1.5 - 3 cts size - $7.50 per gram if you take the
entire 300 grams

I have put pictures of the rough and stones cut from it on the web -
check it out at: http://www.wintershill.com/rough

You can email me (Richard) for more info or ?'s at: wntrhill@somtel.com

Rock Peddler
Complete online discount catalog for cabbing and faceting machines, wheels,
laps, polishes, diamond saws, diamond blades, and general lapidary supplies
at http://www.rockpeddler.com.


Gewelers Gems
e-mail: sales@jewelersgems.com
Solid copper laps 1/4 thick 8" and 6" you can charge both sides with
diamond. http://www.jewelersgems.com/faceting_laps.htm


RRGaetan GEM BROKERS < "Quality gem rough for discriminating gem-cutters."
We serve hand-select (and bulk/parcels, too!), affordable, quality gem rough
in a variety of materials. Our most recent arrivals: Aug. 2 ­ Aquamarine,
Spessartite and Tourmaline. For details and a colorful, interactive e-flyer
(PDF), email rrgaetan@san.rr.com and ask for "The Rough List."




For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
World-Class Cutters:

This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host its
first National and International Faceting Competition. It is called
the North American Faceting Challenge -- 'NAFC.' Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of the
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since 2001,
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten. The
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition. Please note: The designs and rules
can be downloaded at <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003; the amount of time between the
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2." If further
information is needed, please contact me at <clmoon@pacbell.net>.

Charlie Moon




Just a reminder that the St. Lucie Rock & Gem Club will be hosting their 25th
annual show at the Ft. Pierce Civic Center (25th St. & Virginia Ave.), on
November 9th & 10th. Saturday 10-6, and Sunday 10 - 5.
I'll be demonstrating both days.
Norm Holbert
Port St. Lucie, FL


Canaveral Mineral & Gem Society is again presenting
our yearly gem show, the Parade of Gems, November 23rd and 24th at the
Melbourne auditorium, 625 E Hibiscus Blvd in Melbourne, FL, from 10AM to
6PM. Admission is $3, with kids under 12 admitted free.


Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's annual show will be held on Dec. 14 and 15 at
the Volusia County Fairgrounds, located on state route 44 in Deland, Florida.
Fairgrounds are 1 mile east of interstate route 4 at exit 118. We will have at
least one showcase of faceted gems done by our members. Thank you, John Withey



Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003

You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.

The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.

The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.

For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.

Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630 email: glennklein@yahoo.com


Roanoke Valley Mineral & Gem Society - 22nd Annual Show at the
Salem Civic Center, Salem, VA 11/29-12/1/02. Thanks,Larry White



KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something like the
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis

ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri) A
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend to meet
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received an
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's FREE! ;o)
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: gembin@spiff.net

INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in starting
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields. Nice
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
J.Pysnack" <wjpin@home.com>

S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ tbird@bayouself.org. (Thom
Bird - Chalmette, LA)

MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at jennings@netdoor.com Thanks, Jim

TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: hankswan@earthlink.net or
gemscc@msn.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
(evenings).Hank swan

WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield

Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!


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