committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
Issue No.8 - Thursday November 14, 2002
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Index to Today's Digest

Lapidary Messages:
01 Re: MK BLades
02 Re: Cutting oils
03 Bio- Webb Long

Faceting Messages:
04 Mark Liccini
05 machine accuracy check
06 Re: Princess cut
07 FS -facet rough
08 Gem Cad

Business Section - Radiated Beryl



Subject: MK BLades
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:44:39 -0700
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Galarneau's" <gggemswcr@cox.net>

I was incorrect in stating that the blade I am using is "continuous
rim". I am using an MK Criterion 18" .075 kerf. It is a segmented
blade. If you cannot tell by now I am a very satisfied customer of MK.
There products have served me very well.
I am glad you caught my mistake. Thank you.

Gerry Galarneau


Subject: Re:cutting Oil
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:43:40 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Don Rogers <Don@Campbell-gemstones.com>

At 06:49 PM 11/13/02 -0600, you wrote:
>"Keith" in New Zealand mentioned degreasing slabs from saw cutting in
>buckets of detergent

If you use dish soap, you will get better results. The dish soaps are
formulated for cutting oil and grease. They do wonders for cleaning
slabs. Try this. dip you hand into the saw oil. Smear it around both
hands and then use your detergent and clean it off. After everything is
dry, smell your hand and you will find the odor is still there, because
some of the oil is still there. Next day, try the same thing but this time
use some liquid dish soap. You will be surprised at the difference.

The final step though is to put them in full sun for a few days when it
gets warm. This will evaporate off any remaining oil.



Subject: Bio- Webb Long
From: Webb Long <webblong@mindspring.com>
To: <owner-lapidary@caprock-spur.com>

Howdy, I live in the State of Washington, am 84 yrs. of age. Have been a
lapidary for 40 yrs. Dug rocks over most of the west. Never met a rockhound
that I didn't like! Am a silversmith,faceter, flintknapper but I don't
babysit or do windows.Would be willing to pass on any info that 40 yrs of
loving rocks has fallen my way! Webb



Subject: Mark Liccini
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:08:36 -0700
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Galarneau's" <gggemswcr@cox.net>

I have to ask this question as it is really bothering me. Mark and I
had a discussion about 18 months ago about some beryl he had just got
back from treatment. He refused to tell me if the beryl was
radioactive. In the US the standard for radioactivity I am told is
background or less. I am also told that the US has laws to stop the
import of radioactive material, but no money for enforcement. Which
means that stone parcels are not checked for radioactivity. Mark died
at a very young age. Was his illness caused or enhanced by long time
exposure to low levels of radiation in large parcels of gemstones? Does
anyone know the answer?
I was also privy to a conversation in a room at Tucson in 2000 where
one of the largest rough dealers at the show was talking to a Brazilian
about the tourmaline green and ruby red radiated quartz. The Brazilian
was joking that had not carried the material to the US. Not because he
was afraid of being caught at customs, because he was afraid the
radiation in the quartz would kill him. It was that hot.
I sure do appreciate all the work that Mark accomplished treating
gemstones. But, the question needs to be asked. Like Pierre and Madame
Curie - Did the experiment kill him?

Gerry Galarneau


Subject: machine accuracy check
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:41:13 -0600
To: IFA Faceter's Digest <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: Downey <alckytxn@swbell.net>

Howdy Folks,

I found the reprint which explains how to cut a retroreflector to measure
your machune's protractor's accuracy. The original article is from
Facets July 1996 and I think the author is Robert Strickland. I only
have a partial copy from the newsletter and will give a brief summary of
instructions. If you try this , let us know how it goes OK?
You will need;
1. a big piece of clear/light glass or quartz to facet(RI doesn't matter)
2. a laser pointer/pen (in '96 they were $75!!!)
3. some poster board or manila folder
4. some Blue Tack or plumbers putty
5. probably 1 assistant
Cut and polish the retro-reflector from the glass. Here are instructions
for a 96 index; pav. - 54.74degs. 96-32-64 90degs. 96-16-32-48-64-80
(or round)

crown - 0degs. table (only)

The object is to shine the laser pointer into the reflector and measure
the 'spread' of the 6 dots returned to the target. So place the
reflector on a table in a corner of a large room. The table of the stone
should be at right angles to the floor.

20 feet away, support the poster board on the edge of a table the same
height as the stone. You need a hole in the center of the poster board
through which you shine the laser at the stone's table. Your assistant
may need to activate the laser while you adjust the stone to reflect 6
dots around the center hole in the target. A pale seventh dot moving
around is a partial reflection from the surface of the table. Ideally it
should be at/near the center hole postion but the other 6 dotd will be
fairly steady. You need now to determine and record 2 things. The
distance from the hole the dots are AND whether the beams cross 10 feet
out from the stone.

A measurement from the center hole of 0.42 inches = 0.2degs. of
protractor error (at 54.74 of course, we assume protractors are linear
and this error is the same at all angles). 0.84 inches = 0.4degs. of
If the beams cross at the 10' (middle) of their travel, the protractor
error is too high (cutting pavilions too steep) .This would not be quite
as bad as too shallow. If they don't cross then your error is too low
(shallow) and you may be dangerously close on some cuts to the Critical
Angle of your material.

Make a correction and recut your reflector and retest.

Again, this not original with me and I hope I'm not stepping on any toes
by paraphrasing it here. I also am too ignorant of math to check these
numbers. There is mention of the fact that ,since the beams make 3
bounces inside the stone, the actual angular error is multiplied by 5.
That has been taken into account here.

1 Lucky Texan


Subject: Princess cut
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:41:46 -0600
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Pauly Sanders" <redhog@midwest.net>

<Does anybody have a diagram for cutting a Princess Cut stone? My wife
saw one in a jewelry store and would like one cut for herself.>

While not a true princess, Jeff Grams' "GramPrincess", is a lookalike
for colored stones that works very well. I've cut quite a few different
types of stones with this design, and they all turned out well. If you'd
like to see a cut stone contact me off-list.


Subject: Re: FS -facet rough
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:55:00 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Noel Rowe <noel@roughtocut.com>

Rough to Cut
If you're looking for quality facet rough please check out Rough to Cut,
http://www.roughtocut.com. We offer a wide range of quality facet rough
from Aquamarine to Zircon. Large selections in stock currently of Beryl,
Garnets & Tourmalines. Please check us out & when you do, why not give a
try to our contest, you could win a 5ct + piece of Spessartite garnet
facet rough.

Rough to Cut


Subject: Gem Cad
To: LAPIDARY DIGEST <owner-lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: Tom Pyles <zpyles@comcast.net>

It would be great if Robert would make an addition to GemCad with a file
that contained 10 or 12 basic designs we could bring up and modify to our own
liking. This would give us a quick base to start from. I know there is a Russian
progam that has this in it and it looks good.

Tom Pyles


Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org


Facetron: http://www.facetron.com/
Graves: http://www.rockhounds.com/graves/
MDR: http://www.mdr-facet.com/
Polymetric: http://www.polymetricinc.com/
Ultra-tec: http://www.ultratec-facet.com
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
http://www.fac-ette.com/ 800-336-9248.
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com



Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org


FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~

*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, wmcnay@mindspring.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: ghgemcutter@earthlink.net
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, rockpeddler@attbi.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, lklomp@cnetech.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, E-mail: tgibbs@compuserve.com
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
Queensland. http://cwpp.slq.qld.gov.au/afg
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, attaway@highfiber.com
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch chuck_b@prodigy.net
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, gemsbyj@aol.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.

(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write to
( owner-lapidary@caprock-spur.com or owner-faceters@caprock-spur.com )



A blonde calls her boyfriend and says, "Please come over here and help
me...I have a killer jigsaw puzzle, and can't figure out how get it
started." Her boyfriend asks, "What is it supposed to be when it's
finished?" The blonde says, "According to the picture on the box, it's a

Her boyfriend decides to go over and help with the puzzle. She lets him in
and shows him where she has the puzzle spread all over the table. He studies
the pieces for a moment, then looks at the box, then turns to her and says,
"First of all, no matter what we do, we're not going to be able to assemble
these pieces into anything resembling a tiger." He held her hand and said,
"Second, I'd advise you to relax. Let's have a cup of coffee, then
he sighed, "let's put all these Frosted Flakes back in the box.



" Success truly is the result of good judgment.
Good judgment is the result of experience.
And experience is often the result of bad judgment."

--- Author Unknown ---


Subject: Business Section - Radiated Beryl
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:57:54 -0700
To: <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Galarneau's" <gggemswcr@cox.net>

Robert Lowe, a Brazilian stone dealer. just posted on ORCHID that he
is having problems with buyers purchasing facetted stones that he has
told are radiated beryl and Kunzite. He has had jewelry store owners
place aquamarine and kunzite in natural lighted showcases. All the
stones faded in color to white. Be aware that this same material is
being sold as rough. The only way I have of identifying the stone is
from my own personal experience over the years of looking at rough.
Radiated aqua rough has very little to no green and is very clean and of
high color. Kunzite is its own problem Radiated can fade and so can
natural. Another reason why I do not consider kunzite a gemstone.

Gerry Galarneau


Rough to Cut
If you're looking for quality facet rough please check out Rough to Cut,
http://www.roughtocut.com. We offer a wide range of quality facet rough
from Aquamarine to Zircon. Large selections in stock currently of Beryl,
Garnets & Tourmalines. Please check us out & when you do, why not give a
try to our contest, you could win a 5ct + piece of Spessartite garnet
facet rough.

Rough to Cut


Facet polishing laps
Still have a couple of dozen Vargas Pol-A-Gem laps left. Only Cerium Oxide
in 6" size. There will be no more 8". Glenn really is not interested in
fiddling with his lathe to correct his maching problems at 8". He and his
protoge, Dick Rugel, will make more 6" if there is demand. There is nothing
faster,better or more durable than a Pol-A-Gem for quartz,sunstone, opal etc.
One lap should last a lifetime ....and they DO NOT SCRATCH. They also work
great on 8" machines. Lemme know your interest. Price delivered in US is
Jerry Newman Gemart Services gemartserv@aol.com


Subject: AD
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "P. Miklik" <b-daw@pacbell.net>

Contact b-daw@pacbell.net

Honey, red & brown zircons, 10g parcels @$20/parcel

Red Garnet $8/g, eye clean-slightly included
Spessartine Garnet $7.50/g, slight-moderately included
Malaya Garnet $6/g, good eye clean roughs
Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included

Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
Green/Green Blue Tourmaline $10/g, eye clean roughs

Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly
included, up to 1g.

Blue Beryl (Aquamarine) $6/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals
Green Beryl (Emerald) $10-$50/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals,
zoned green
Cabbing Grade Aquamarine $3/g


Must sell the following rough - no reasonable offer refused -

Rose Malaya Garnet - deep red, eye clean african material - 1 kg available -
$2.00/gram for quantities of 500 grams or more

Red Zircon - eye clean african material - 300g available - $2.00/gram if you
take the entire 300 grams

Spessartite Orange Garnet - slightly to moderately included African
material - Ranges from 1.5 - 3 cts size - $7.50 per gram if you take the
entire 300 grams

I have put pictures of the rough and stones cut from it on the web -
check it out at: http://www.wintershill.com/rough

You can email me (Richard) for more info or ?'s at: wntrhill@somtel.com

Rock Peddler
Complete online discount catalog for cabbing and faceting machines, wheels,
laps, polishes, diamond saws, diamond blades, and general lapidary supplies
at http://www.rockpeddler.com.


Gewelers Gems
e-mail: sales@jewelersgems.com
Solid copper laps 1/4 thick 8" and 6" you can charge both sides with
diamond. http://www.jewelersgems.com/faceting_laps.htm


RRGaetan GEM BROKERS < "Quality gem rough for discriminating gem-cutters."
We serve hand-select (and bulk/parcels, too!), affordable, quality gem rough
in a variety of materials. Our most recent arrivals: Aug. 2 ­ Aquamarine,
Spessartite and Tourmaline. For details and a colorful, interactive e-flyer
(PDF), email rrgaetan@san.rr.com and ask for "The Rough List."




For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
World-Class Cutters:

This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host its
first National and International Faceting Competition. It is called
the North American Faceting Challenge -- 'NAFC.' Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of the
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since 2001,
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten. The
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition. Please note: The designs and rules
can be downloaded at <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003; the amount of time between the
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2." If further
information is needed, please contact me at <clmoon@pacbell.net>.

Charlie Moon




Just a reminder that the St. Lucie Rock & Gem Club will be hosting their 25th
annual show at the Ft. Pierce Civic Center (25th St. & Virginia Ave.), on
November 9th & 10th. Saturday 10-6, and Sunday 10 - 5.
I'll be demonstrating both days.
Norm Holbert
Port St. Lucie, FL


Canaveral Mineral & Gem Society is again presenting
our yearly gem show, the Parade of Gems, November 23rd and 24th at the
Melbourne auditorium, 625 E Hibiscus Blvd in Melbourne, FL, from 10AM to
6PM. Admission is $3, with kids under 12 admitted free.


Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's annual show will be held on Dec. 14 and 15 at
the Volusia County Fairgrounds, located on state route 44 in Deland, Florida.
Fairgrounds are 1 mile east of interstate route 4 at exit 118. We will have at
least one showcase of faceted gems done by our members. Thank you, John Withey



Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003

You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.

The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.

The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.

For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.

Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630 email: glennklein@yahoo.com


Roanoke Valley Mineral & Gem Society - 22nd Annual Show at the
Salem Civic Center, Salem, VA 11/29-12/1/02. Thanks,Larry White



KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something like the
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis

ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri) A
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend to meet
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received an
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's FREE! ;o)
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: gembin@spiff.net

INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in starting
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields. Nice
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
J.Pysnack" <wjpin@home.com>

S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ tbird@bayouself.org. (Thom
Bird - Chalmette, LA)

MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at jennings@netdoor.com Thanks, Jim

TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: hankswan@earthlink.net or
gemscc@msn.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
(evenings).Hank swan

WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield

Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!


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