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LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST

committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
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Issue No.13 - Thursday November 21, 2002
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Index to Today's Digest

Lapidary Messages:
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01 Re: Cutting with water

Faceting Messages:
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02 Re: Vargas Pol-A-Gem lap
03 Re: HELP with DATAVUE please
04 " Critter Cuts"

Business Section - No messages today.
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LAPIDARY DISCUSSION:


Message:01

Subject: Re: Issue No.12 - Wednesday November 20, 2002
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:38:23 EST
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Send2mail@aol.com

Drying the saw

Magnificent common sense ideas Don....THANK YOU !!

Using the alcohol and light bulb drying technique, PRIOR to any spraying of
oil, is great advice.. Also thanks for the NO SPARKS heads up, before the
alcohol evaporates !

I will try and find the a good grade of alcohol.. I think they have like 70%
& 90 % or even higher ? Maybe some "white lightening" is in order here, so I
can take a snort or 2 myself while I'm cleaning up : ) Just kidding.......

I may also try and locate those moisture removing packets that you sometimes
see in vitamin and prescription bottles, etc., except use a much larger size
packet.....And perhaps I'll figure out some other dehumidifying products to
place inside the saw along with your 25 watt light bulb idea......If not, i
think your alcohol and light bulb idea, in combo with my hand drying labors,
will probably be enough to keep the saw in good working order for many
years...

Thanks again & I Appreciate your help Don

S2M


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FACETING DISCUSSION:

Message:02

Subject: Re: Issue No.12 - Wednesday November 20, 2002
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:16:28 EST
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: GEMARTSERV@aol.com

In a message dated 11/20/02 12:22:33 PM Pacific Standard Time,
owner-faceters@caprock-spur.com writes:

> Could someone describe what a Vargas Pol-A-Gem lap is? Couls not find
> reference to it in Vargas' book. Thanks.
>
> Wayne
>
>

Wayne, Vargas Pol-A-Gem is described in Glenn's book "Faceting For
Amateurs" Third Edition on page 38 ( Don't know if it was in the earlier
editions).
Basically, they are made of half inch thick Lucite with a cavity about 2 to 3
mm deep machined out across one surface within which he pours in a resin type
of a mix containing the appropriate polishing material. After it hardens (
cures) properly, he remachines the face so it is paralell to the back face.
The lap is basically permanently charged with polishing compound. The
ingredients, ratios,conditions, etc and the procedure are proprietary having
been carefully evolved. It is not as simple as it sounds. I've helped him
procureing his materials and in his manufacturing during the past few years.
My Pol-A-Gem laps ( CeO and Alumina-B ) are 11 years old and still going
strong. I'll never have to buy another one. I've had Glenn machine off a
couple of thousandths on a couple of occasions when I accidentaly put in a
slight groove by coming down on a wrong index or angle. My laps have several
times their 11 year life left in them. They are pretty hard resulting in
flat facets. You only have to add water....no compound when polishing,
although if I have a large table ie. like for a 25-30 mm stone, I might add a
little powder to speed up the polish. For 98% of the time water is all I
use. On typical stones the CeO polish come up in seconds. One reason it is
so fast is that you can "lean" on your stone pretty hard if you want to. He
is only making Cerium Oxide type at this time. I doubt he'll get back into
the Alumina-B.
As I have mentioned in the advert. below on this digest , he doesn't want to
make 8" laps anymore. Of course 6" will work fine on any machine.
Hope this helps. If any other questions, just let me know.
BTW, if any are interested, I can supply his books.
Regards, Jerry Newman

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Message:03


Subject: "HELP with DATAVUE please"
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:30:10 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: bob wimberley <knapper@napanet.net>

Hi Mike, to get my Datavue working, I had to download the zip file three
times into three different files. Then I unzipped each of them, chose one
to be my "permanent" copy and tried to run it. When I came to a problem
file, I used Windows' "Find" button (it appears when you click the "Start"
button) to search my disk drive for all copies of that problem file. There
should be three if you did like I did. Look at the size of each of the
three copies of the problem file and transfer the largest to your permanent
file - replacing the problem copy.
Just repeat each time you run into a new problem file. If you can find a
second web site that carries the zipped Dataview program, that might
improve your chances, also.

Bob
Napa Valley


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Message:04

From: "aurimas" <aurimas@chariot.net.au>
To: <owner-faceters@caprock-spur.com>
Subject: Critter Cuts
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:23:35 +1030

G'Day Thurmond and list.

A member of the Adelaide Gem and Mineral Club is very keen on faceting
"critters'. I promised to to find some for him and then my computer
crashed and I lost everything. Please let me know where I can find
animal faceting designs so that he can establish a 'zoo"

Cheers
Aurimas in Adelaide in South Australia, warm, sunny, nice


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RESOURCES FOR LAPIDARIES ~

Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org


RESOURCES FOR FACETER'S ~

Facetron: http://www.facetron.com/
Graves: http://www.rockhounds.com/graves/
MDR: http://www.mdr-facet.com/
Polymetric: http://www.polymetricinc.com/
Ultra-tec: http://www.ultratec-facet.com
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
http://www.fac-ette.com/ 800-336-9248.
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com

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RESOURCES FOR GEMOLOGISTS ~

Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org

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FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~

*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, wmcnay@mindspring.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: ghgemcutter@earthlink.net
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, rockpeddler@attbi.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, lklomp@cnetech.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, E-mail: tgibbs@compuserve.com
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
Queensland. http://cwpp.slq.qld.gov.au/afg
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, attaway@highfiber.com
http://www.attawaygems.com/NMFG
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch chuck_b@prodigy.net
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, gemsbyj@aol.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net)
http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.
wrheitland@shaw.ca

(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write to
( owner-lapidary@caprock-spur.com or owner-faceters@caprock-spur.com )

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TODAY'S FUNNY ~

You know you are addicted to coffee if ...

You grind your coffee beans in your mouth.

You sleep with your eyes open.

You have to watch videos in fast-forward.

The only time you're standing still is during an earthquake.

You can take a picture of yourself from ten feet away without using the timer.

You've worn out your third pair of tennis shoes this week.

Your eyes stay open when you sneeze.

You chew on other people's fingernails.

The nurse needs a scientific calculator to take your pulse.

You're so jittery that people use your hands to blend their margaritas.

You can type sixty words per minute with your feet.

You can jump-start your car without cables.

You don't sweat, you percolate.

You walk twenty miles on your treadmill before you realize it's not plugged in.

You forget to unwrap candy bars before eating them.

You've built a miniature city out of little plastic stirrers.

People get dizzy just watching you.

Instant coffee takes too long.

You channel surf faster without a remote.

You have a picture of your coffee mug on your coffee mug.

You can outlast the Energizer bunny.

You short out motion detectors.

You don't even wait for the water to boil anymore.

Your nervous twitch registers on the Richter scale.

You help your dog chase its tail.

You soak your dentures in coffee overnight.

Your first-aid kit contains two pints of coffee with an I.V. hookup.

You ski uphill.

You get a speeding ticket even when you're parked.

You answer the door before people knock.

You haven't blinked since the last lunar eclipse.

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REFLECTIONS AND TIDBITS:

" Leaders do not create followers; they create other leaders."

-- Author Unknown --

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BUSINESS SECTION:
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CLASSIFIED ADVERTISEMENTS:


Subject: AD
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:44:27 -0500
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Bob Collins <nichesw@comcast.net>

CZ - Final Sale

Hi Cutters,

I expect this to be my final update to this ad...

As I said, I am not a rough dealer... just a cutter like you.

Recently I had the opportunity to buy a mixed lot of Russian CZ... as it

turned out, it was MUCH more CZ than I would ever cut!!!
So I sold some of it to others.

Well, I got seduced again!!! I was able to get some of the nicer, more
exotic colors... (couldn't resist!) so, I once again have much too much
just for me.

Once this is gone... THERE WILL BE NO MORE FROM ME!!!
....AND, I'm going to cut prices and beat all competition that I am aware
of...
Good opportunity to stock up!

I have it in the following colors / sizes:

Dark Violet - Amethyst (avg. 160 cts)
Lavender 50 - 85cts (avg. 70)
Champagne 100 - 520cts (avg. 165)
Red 50 - 592cts (avg. 75)
Red/Brown (Cognac?) 100 - 366cts (avg. 120)
Orange (Padpradscha?) 10 - 65cts. (avg. 25) SUPER!
Peridot (Apple?) Green 25 - 120cts. (avg. 35)
Light Pink 20 - 700cts (avg. 35)
Medium Pink - all about 35cts.
Yellow - light 25 - 45cts. (avg. 35)
Yellow - medium - all about 35cts.
Yellow - dark 15 - 50cts. (avg. 35)

All the above at a FINAL price of $0.04/ct. (avg. retail = $0.08 to
$0.10)

Now the "Exotics"!!!

Green - shades vary from a lighter green with a touch of yellow to a
deeper green. 35 - 100 cts. (avg. 70)

Light Blue - looks a lot like mid-grade blue topaz in color. Avg. about
18cts.

Blue(s) - Medium blue to Teal color. Avg. about 150cts.

Electric Blue - WILD!!! 40 - 250cts. (avg. 100)

The Green/Blue are more expensive... $0.18/ct. (Avg. retail = about
$0.25)

Let me know what size(s) you require and I will do my best to meet your
needs.
$25 min. order, please.

Postage and insurance (at my cost) will be extra.

GemBob
nichesw@comcast.net
http://www.qualitygemcutting.com/gpbobc.htm

11192002
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Rough to Cut
If you're looking for quality facet rough please check out Rough to Cut,
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Garnets & Tourmalines. Please check us out & when you do, why not give a
try to our contest, you could win a 5ct + piece of Spessartite garnet
facet rough.

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Rough to Cut
http:www.roughtocut.com

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Facet polishing laps
Still have a couple of dozen Vargas Pol-A-Gem laps left. Only Cerium Oxide
in 6" size. There will be no more 8". Glenn really is not interested in
fiddling with his lathe to correct his maching problems at 8". He and his
protoge, Dick Rugel, will make more 6" if there is demand. There is nothing
faster,better or more durable than a Pol-A-Gem for quartz,sunstone, opal etc.
One lap should last a lifetime ....and they DO NOT SCRATCH. They also work
great on 8" machines. Lemme know your interest. Price delivered in US is
$63.85.
Jerry Newman Gemart Services gemartserv@aol.com

11072002
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Subject: AD
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "P. Miklik" <b-daw@pacbell.net>

AVAILABLE FOR SALE
Contact b-daw@pacbell.net

ZIRCONS
Honey, red & brown zircons, 10g parcels @$20/parcel

GARNETS
Red Garnet $8/g, eye clean-slightly included
Spessartine Garnet $7.50/g, slight-moderately included
Malaya Garnet $6/g, good eye clean roughs
Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included

TOURMALINES
Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
Green/Green Blue Tourmaline $10/g, eye clean roughs

SAPPHIRES
Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly
included, up to 1g.

BERYL
Blue Beryl (Aquamarine) $6/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals
Green Beryl (Emerald) $10-$50/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals,
zoned green
Cabbing Grade Aquamarine $3/g

11012002
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Must sell the following rough - no reasonable offer refused -

Rose Malaya Garnet - deep red, eye clean african material - 1 kg available -
$2.00/gram for quantities of 500 grams or more

Red Zircon - eye clean african material - 300g available - $2.00/gram if you
take the entire 300 grams

Spessartite Orange Garnet - slightly to moderately included African
material - Ranges from 1.5 - 3 cts size - $7.50 per gram if you take the
entire 300 grams

I have put pictures of the rough and stones cut from it on the web -
check it out at: http://www.wintershill.com/rough

You can email me (Richard) for more info or ?'s at: wntrhill@somtel.com

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Rock Peddler
Complete online discount catalog for cabbing and faceting machines, wheels,
laps, polishes, diamond saws, diamond blades, and general lapidary supplies
at http://www.rockpeddler.com.

09272002P
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Gewelers Gems
e-mail: sales@jewelersgems.com
Solid copper laps 1/4 thick 8" and 6" you can charge both sides with
diamond. http://www.jewelersgems.com/faceting_laps.htm

03222002P
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We serve hand-select (and bulk/parcels, too!), affordable, quality gem rough
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Spessartite and Tourmaline. For details and a colorful, interactive e-flyer
(PDF), email rrgaetan@san.rr.com and ask for "The Rough List."

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COMPETITIONS:

For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
World-Class Cutters:

This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host its
first National and International Faceting Competition. It is called
the North American Faceting Challenge -- 'NAFC.' Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of the
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since 2001,
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten. The
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition. Please note: The designs and rules
can be downloaded at <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003; the amount of time between the
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2." If further
information is needed, please contact me at <clmoon@pacbell.net>.

Charlie Moon


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SHOWDATES:

~ FLORIDA


Canaveral Mineral & Gem Society is again presenting
our yearly gem show, the Parade of Gems, November 23rd and 24th at the
Melbourne auditorium, 625 E Hibiscus Blvd in Melbourne, FL, from 10AM to
6PM. Admission is $3, with kids under 12 admitted free.

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Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's annual show will be held on Dec. 14 and 15 at
the Volusia County Fairgrounds, located on state route 44 in Deland, Florida.
Fairgrounds are 1 mile east of interstate route 4 at exit 118. We will have at
least one showcase of faceted gems done by our members. Thank you, John Withey


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~ CALIFORNIA


FACETERS SYMPOSIUM 2003
Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003


You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.

The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.

The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.

For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.

Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630 email: glennklein@yahoo.com


~TENNESSEE

The Middle Tennessee Gem & Mineral Society, Inc. announces their
22nd annual "Earth Treasures" Jewelry, Gem, Mineral and Fossil Show.
There will be door prizes, auctions, exhibits, demonstrations and 30
dealers from around the US.

The MTG&MS is a not-for-profit educational society, made up of local
members from around Middle Tennessee, interested in the study, collection
and understanding of minerals, the earth's geological history, jewelry
making, and the polishing of gem stones. The profit from this annual
show and sale go to fund nine (9) scholarships at regional universities,
along with two Tennessee Elementary Schooll Earth Science projects
and two middle Tennessee Senior Citizens workshop programs.

Date: December 14-15, 2002

Time: 9 AM-6 PM Saturday & 10 AM-5 PM Sunday

Place: Creative Arts Building, Tennessee State Fairgrounds, Nashville, Tennessee

Admission: $2.00 Adults, $0.50 High School Students, Under 12 free with an adult

Contact: Will Smith (615) 366-1022 Show Chairperson

Web Site: www.mtgms.org Email: willsmith.2@comcastnet

Exhibits: Show cases of Fossils, Minerals, Jewelry, cut and polished gemstones

Including local Elmwood minerals from the zinc mines at Carthage and beautiful
Tennessee Paint Rock Agate from the mountains of Middle Tennessee

Demonstrations: Silversmithing, beading, wire wrapping, flint knapping and faceting

Other activities: Hourly door prizes and silent auctions

Dealers will offer:

Gold and silver jewelry, mountings and repair

Colored gem stones & diamonds, loose or mounted in jewelry

Crystals and minerals from around the world including our local-world renowned
golden calcites from Carthage

Fossils and artifacts including dinosaur life, marine life and prehistoric arrowheads,
along with modern flint knapping

Tools and supplies for the above

Feel free to call if you have any questions. We appreciate your help and support.


~VIRGINIA

Roanoke Valley Mineral & Gem Society - 22nd Annual Show at the
Salem Civic Center, Salem, VA 11/29-12/1/02. Thanks,Larry White

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LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST PERSONALS:


KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something like the
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
faceter@bigfoot.com
Larry W. Davis
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ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri) A
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend to meet
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received an
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's FREE! ;o)
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: gembin@spiff.net
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INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in starting
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields. Nice
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
J.Pysnack" <wjpin@home.com>
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S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ tbird@bayouself.org. (Thom
Bird - Chalmette, LA)
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MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at jennings@netdoor.com Thanks, Jim
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TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: hankswan@earthlink.net or
gemscc@msn.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
(evenings).Hank swan
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WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield
winfielr@inra.nimh.nih.gov
******

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