LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST
committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
Issue No.12 - Wednesday November 20, 2002
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Index to Today's Digest
01 Re: Cutting with water
02 Re: Food Grade coolants
03 HELP with DATAVUE please
04 Vargas Pol-A-Gem lap
05 Re: Radiant Cut Diagram
06 Facet Finder Mirror
Business Section - No messages today.
Subject: Re:Cutting with water
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:42:18 -0800
From: Don Rogers <Don@Campbell-gemstones.com>
At 07:30 PM 11/19/02 -0600, you wrote:
>I will take that into consideration
>when I proceed with the water only and will now not only dry
>as well as I possibly can, but I will then additionally use
a hand pump spray
>bottle to lightly mist certain key parts, with some type of
food grown oil
>like canola, or safflower etc ...
You might try to first spritz down the areas where water would
with some alcohol. Don't soak it down, but but just wet the areas.
alcohol has an affinity to absorb water, it will help wash some
water out of hiding. I would then place a 25watt bulb in the tub
saw and just crack the lid enough to get some circulation. No
while the tub is full of alcohol fumes though. The heat from the
help dry out the remaining water. I would do this prior to a spray
with the oil as the oil can trap the water in place and let it
damage. Wait till the next day to oil things down.
Subject: Re: Issue No.11 - Tuesday November 19, 2002
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:13:11 EST
Food Grade Oils
Yep, the food grade oil seems to be the best oil to use overall.....It
what Knotts Berry Farm uses to cut rocks amongst the public masses,
that says a little bit, as to it's... safer than most oils
appeal......Actually, it probably is the least toxic of petrol
oils, as i
personally believe no free flowing petroleum product is 100%,
safe...... Food grade oil is still a petrochemical, just more
than other petrol oils and thus its low, to no oil smell...
And by the way, some everyday products contain chemicals than
with smelly fumes, so as to purposely hide the smell of the product.
product actually still has the fume chemicals, they are just hidden
by another chemical...
I don't think petrol oils do this magic yet, but some "no
scent" type of
cleaning products perform the tricky practice
If i was ever to consider using oil in a saw, it would either
agriculturally grown oil, like Jojoba oil or cottonseed oil, etc.,
it would be one of the best quality food grade petrol oils i could
the brand name called "rock oil"...usually made by Chevron
...Just get a
highly refined oil in the right Viscosity....Sorry don't know
In conclusion, I have been told to never breathe any type of
products and or any type of oil mists, whether the oil is petrol
Thanks for you testimony on food grade oil and it's performance
with an 18*
saw, upon hard rock materials... I have heard that the Raytech
is a good blade..
Appreciate : )
Subject: HELP with DATAVUE please
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:53:29 -0500
From: "michael lauer" <email@example.com>
Well I tried to load DATAVUE on my computer and have some problems
of its functionality.
I think I may be missing some files. The following files show
1k size where
other similar files maybe 30-40k.
Files in question:
Maybe they were left off the update?
Any help would be appreciated.
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:37:53 -0600
From: "Wayne S. Barnett" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Could someone describe what a Vargas Pol-A-Gem lap is? Couls
reference to it in Vargas' book. Thanks.
Subject: Re: Issue No.11 - Tuesday November 19, 2002
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:53:59 -0500
From: Donald Allen <email@example.com>
With regard to Tom Pyles request for a radiant Cut Diagram---->
Jeff Gram's site:
Click on Addition #5
Click on Radiant Antique
Further may look at Emerald Cut Barions in other faceting design
and if not already done, to read Basil Watermeyer's (The who's
grand-daddy of Barions) book " Diamond Cutting=94 [ I'm not
edition is current]..
Subject: Facet Finder Mirror
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:14:01 -0700
From: John McLaughlin <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> It has no "cheater"
> adjustment, but I have never had the need for the "cheater"
except the 2 times I
> had a stone pop off the dop and misaligned the stone when
redopping. Then I had
> to loosen the index gear and cheat by hand, which taught
me a lot about
> understanding how to use a Facet Finder Mirror to get the
facets aligned to the
> lap perfectly.
I'm afraid I can't help with the make of your machine. However,
I would love to know what a
Facet Finder Mirror is and how it's used. I ran a search Google
and found only one
reference to it on a discussion list. Anything that would let
me set up again after popping off a
dop would be very helpful.
RESOURCES FOR LAPIDARIES ~
Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org
RESOURCES FOR FACETER'S ~
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com
RESOURCES FOR GEMOLOGISTS ~
Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~
*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, email@example.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters
Don Cameron: firstname.lastname@example.org
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, email@example.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, E-mail: email@example.com
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, firstname.lastname@example.org
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, email@example.com
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch firstname.lastname@example.org
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, email@example.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, firstname.lastname@example.org)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.
(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write
( email@example.com or firstname.lastname@example.org
TODAY'S FUNNY ~
These are excuse notes from parents (with their original spelling)
collected by schools from all over the country:
1) My son is under a doctor's care and should not take P.E. today.
Please execute him.
2) Please excuse Lisa for being absent. She was sick and I had
3) Dear School: Please exscuse John being absent on Jan. 28,
29,30, 31, 32, and also 33.
4) Please excuse Gloria from Jim today. She is administrating.
5) Please excuse Roland from P.E. for a few days. Yesterday he
fell out of a tree and misplaced his hip.
6) John has been absent because he had two teeth taken out of
7) Carlos was absent yesterday because he was playing football.
He was hurt in the growing part.
8) Megan could not come to school today because she has been
bothered by very close veins.
9) Chris will not be in school cus he has an acre in his side.
10) Please excuse Ray Friday from school. He has very loose vowels.
11) Please excuse Pedro from being absent yesterday. He had (diahre)
(dyrea) (direathe) the runs.
[words in ()'s were crossed out.]
12) Please excuse Burma, she has been sick and under the doctor.
13) Irving was absent yesterday because he missed his bust.
14) Please excuse Jimmy for being. It was his father's fault.
15) I kept Billie home because she had to go Christmas shopping
because I don't know what size
16) Please excuse Jennifer for missing school yesterday. We forgot
to get the Sunday paper off the
porch, and when we found it Monday, we thought it was Sunday.
17) Sally won't be in school a week from Friday. We have to attend
18) My daughter was absent yesterday because she was tired. She
spent a weekend with the Marines.
19) Please excuse Jason for being absent yesterday. He had a
cold and could not breed well.
20) Please excuse Mary for being absent yesterday. She was in
bed with gramps.
21) Maryann was absent December 11-16, because she had a fever,
sore throat, headache and
upset stomach. Her sister was also sick, fever and sore throat,
her brother had a low grade fever
and ached all over. I wasn't the best either, sore throat and
fever. There must be something going
around, her father even got hot last night.
22) Please excuse little Jimmy for not being in school yesterday.
His father is gone and I could not
get him ready because I was in bed with the doctor.
REFLECTIONS AND TIDBITS:
" You will never be who you want to be, by remaining who
--- Author Unknown ---
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:44:27 -0500
From: Bob Collins <email@example.com>
CZ - Final Sale
I expect this to be my final update to this ad...
As I said, I am not a rough dealer... just a cutter like you.
Recently I had the opportunity to buy a mixed lot of Russian
CZ... as it
turned out, it was MUCH more CZ than I would ever cut!!!
So I sold some of it to others.
Well, I got seduced again!!! I was able to get some of the nicer,
exotic colors... (couldn't resist!) so, I once again have much
just for me.
Once this is gone... THERE WILL BE NO MORE FROM ME!!!
....AND, I'm going to cut prices and beat all competition that
I am aware
Good opportunity to stock up!
I have it in the following colors / sizes:
Dark Violet - Amethyst (avg. 160 cts)
Lavender 50 - 85cts (avg. 70)
Champagne 100 - 520cts (avg. 165)
Red 50 - 592cts (avg. 75)
Red/Brown (Cognac?) 100 - 366cts (avg. 120)
Orange (Padpradscha?) 10 - 65cts. (avg. 25) SUPER!
Peridot (Apple?) Green 25 - 120cts. (avg. 35)
Light Pink 20 - 700cts (avg. 35)
Medium Pink - all about 35cts.
Yellow - light 25 - 45cts. (avg. 35)
Yellow - medium - all about 35cts.
Yellow - dark 15 - 50cts. (avg. 35)
All the above at a FINAL price of $0.04/ct. (avg. retail = $0.08
Now the "Exotics"!!!
Green - shades vary from a lighter green with a touch of yellow
deeper green. 35 - 100 cts. (avg. 70)
Light Blue - looks a lot like mid-grade blue topaz in color.
Blue(s) - Medium blue to Teal color. Avg. about 150cts.
Electric Blue - WILD!!! 40 - 250cts. (avg. 100)
The Green/Blue are more expensive... $0.18/ct. (Avg. retail =
Let me know what size(s) you require and I will do my best to
$25 min. order, please.
Postage and insurance (at my cost) will be extra.
Rough to Cut
If you're looking for quality facet rough please check out Rough
http://www.roughtocut.com. We offer a wide range of quality facet
from Aquamarine to Zircon. Large selections in stock currently
Garnets & Tourmalines. Please check us out & when you
do, why not give a
try to our contest, you could win a 5ct + piece of Spessartite
Rough to Cut
Facet polishing laps
Still have a couple of dozen Vargas Pol-A-Gem laps left. Only
in 6" size. There will be no more 8". Glenn really is
not interested in
fiddling with his lathe to correct his maching problems at 8".
He and his
protoge, Dick Rugel, will make more 6" if there is demand.
There is nothing
faster,better or more durable than a Pol-A-Gem for quartz,sunstone,
One lap should last a lifetime ....and they DO NOT SCRATCH. They
great on 8" machines. Lemme know your interest. Price delivered
in US is
Jerry Newman Gemart Services firstname.lastname@example.org
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
From: "P. Miklik" <email@example.com>
AVAILABLE FOR SALE
Honey, red & brown zircons, 10g parcels @$20/parcel
Red Garnet $8/g, eye clean-slightly included
Spessartine Garnet $7.50/g, slight-moderately included
Malaya Garnet $6/g, good eye clean roughs
Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included
Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
Green/Green Blue Tourmaline $10/g, eye clean roughs
Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly
included, up to 1g.
Blue Beryl (Aquamarine) $6/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals
Green Beryl (Emerald) $10-$50/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals,
Cabbing Grade Aquamarine $3/g
Must sell the following rough - no reasonable offer refused -
Rose Malaya Garnet - deep red, eye clean african material - 1
kg available -
$2.00/gram for quantities of 500 grams or more
Red Zircon - eye clean african material - 300g available - $2.00/gram
take the entire 300 grams
Spessartite Orange Garnet - slightly to moderately included African
material - Ranges from 1.5 - 3 cts size - $7.50 per gram if you
entire 300 grams
I have put pictures of the rough and stones cut from it on the
check it out at: http://www.wintershill.com/rough
You can email me (Richard) for more info or ?'s at: firstname.lastname@example.org
Complete online discount catalog for cabbing and faceting machines,
laps, polishes, diamond saws, diamond blades, and general lapidary
Solid copper laps 1/4 thick 8" and 6" you can charge
both sides with
RRGaetan GEM BROKERS < "Quality gem rough for discriminating
We serve hand-select (and bulk/parcels, too!), affordable, quality
in a variety of materials. Our most recent arrivals: Aug. 2
Spessartite and Tourmaline. For details and a colorful, interactive
(PDF), email email@example.com and ask for "The Rough List."
For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host
first National and International Faceting Competition. It is called
the North American Faceting Challenge -- 'NAFC.' Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition. Please note: The designs
can be downloaded at <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003; the amount of time between
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2."
information is needed, please contact me at <firstname.lastname@example.org>.
Canaveral Mineral & Gem Society is again presenting
our yearly gem show, the Parade of Gems, November 23rd and 24th
Melbourne auditorium, 625 E Hibiscus Blvd in Melbourne, FL, from
6PM. Admission is $3, with kids under 12 admitted free.
Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's annual show will be held on
Dec. 14 and 15 at
the Volusia County Fairgrounds, located on state route 44 in Deland,
Fairgrounds are 1 mile east of interstate route 4 at exit 118.
We will have at
least one showcase of faceted gems done by our members. Thank
you, John Withey
FACETERS SYMPOSIUM 2003
Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003
You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.
The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.
The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.
For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.
Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630 email: email@example.com
The Middle Tennessee Gem & Mineral Society, Inc. announces
22nd annual "Earth Treasures" Jewelry, Gem, Mineral
and Fossil Show.
There will be door prizes, auctions, exhibits, demonstrations
dealers from around the US.
The MTG&MS is a not-for-profit educational society, made
up of local
members from around Middle Tennessee, interested in the study,
and understanding of minerals, the earth's geological history,
making, and the polishing of gem stones. The profit from this
show and sale go to fund nine (9) scholarships at regional universities,
along with two Tennessee Elementary Schooll Earth Science projects
and two middle Tennessee Senior Citizens workshop programs.
Date: December 14-15, 2002
Time: 9 AM-6 PM Saturday & 10 AM-5 PM Sunday
Place: Creative Arts Building, Tennessee State Fairgrounds, Nashville,
Admission: $2.00 Adults, $0.50 High School Students, Under 12
free with an adult
Contact: Will Smith (615) 366-1022 Show Chairperson
Web Site: www.mtgms.org Email: willsmith.2@comcastnet
Exhibits: Show cases of Fossils, Minerals, Jewelry, cut and polished
Including local Elmwood minerals from the zinc mines at Carthage
Tennessee Paint Rock Agate from the mountains of Middle Tennessee
Demonstrations: Silversmithing, beading, wire wrapping, flint
knapping and faceting
Other activities: Hourly door prizes and silent auctions
Dealers will offer:
Gold and silver jewelry, mountings and repair
Colored gem stones & diamonds, loose or mounted in jewelry
Crystals and minerals from around the world including our local-world
golden calcites from Carthage
Fossils and artifacts including dinosaur life, marine life and
along with modern flint knapping
Tools and supplies for the above
Feel free to call if you have any questions. We appreciate your
help and support.
Roanoke Valley Mineral & Gem Society - 22nd Annual Show at
Salem Civic Center, Salem, VA 11/29-12/1/02. Thanks,Larry White
LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST PERSONALS:
KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis
ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri)
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending
our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's
swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: firstname.lastname@example.org
INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields.
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ email@example.com.
Bird - Chalmette, LA)
MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting
cabbing please e-mail me at firstname.lastname@example.org Thanks, Jim
TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: email@example.com
firstname.lastname@example.org or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield
Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!
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